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A77969 Truth (the strongest of all) witnessed forth in the spirit of truth, against all deceit: and pleading in righteousnesse its owne cause, to the understanding of the simple, against a very great number of lyes, slanders, perverting of the Scriptures, contradictions and false damnable doctrines, held forth by the Independants. And in particular by one John Bunion, (one of Gogs Army) in two severall bookes put forth by him, against the despised scattered people called Quakers. And is a reply unto his second book, called A vindication, &c. wherein what was wanting in his former of fulfilling wickednesse is now appeared; by his adding sin unto sin, against God and against his owne soule. And this is to cleer the truth from above 100 of John Bunions foule dirty lyes and slanders: by a friend of the truth as it is in Christ Jesus; and not as it is in mens carnall apprehensions, Edward Burrough. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1657 (1657) Wing B6051; Thomason E910_3; ESTC R207500 55,009 70

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contrary to the Spirit of Christ I shall say every man hath that which is one in union and like the Spirit of Christ even as good as the Spirit of Christ according to its measure these are my words Page 18. and I own them and thy answer to them is no contradiction nor just confutation of them but lyest in saying I call conscience and nature it selfe the Spirit of Christ this is false never spoken by me so that thou hast uttered a pack of railing words without any knowledge or feare of God in stead of a sober Answer the blasphemy and great deale of ignorance and presumption appears not in my words they are truth and thou hast not proved that the light of Christ is contrary to the Spirit of Christ Nay thy simple policy is too short when thou had done so then had been a time to have cast these opprobrious speeches at mee like venomne from a Viper but the weaknesse or strength of error and blasphemy and the great deale of ignorance and presumption c is fallen at thy doore and there I leave it clear thy selfe from it as thou art able who without any confutation of the words falls impudently to charge me thus highly and falsly from the words be thou silent whise the Reader Judges then thou goes about to defend thy first wickednesse in that thou said the Devill doth deceive poore soules by bidding them listen within and turne the minde within and see if there be not that which doth convince of sin c. And my Answer to this is sound and stands over thee and unreproved by thee though many words thou speakest yet from the Scripture doth not prove or by honest arguments that the Devill doth deceive any by bidding them to turne to the light within which convinceth of sin if thou would have cleared thy selfe thou should have proued thy assertion according to my desire I asked thee was ever such a thing spoken that the Devill can deceive any by the light of Christ but to this not a word in proofe but faith Every man hath not the Spirit of Christ c. But further then I Query Doth the Devil deceive any by bidding them to turn in and listen to that light spoken of John 1. 9. for that light am I contending for and not any other contrary to it then thou saist thou denyes That Paul bid listen within telling me of making shelter for my error c. This is no error to say that Paul bids listen within let the Reader judge from that Scripture Rom. 10. 9. The righteousnesse of faith speakes on this wise vers. 6 which is the voice of the Gospel and vers. 9. what saith it the word is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart was not that the end of these words to listen within the word is in the heart what saith it there now the error is thine that denyes the truth and the lye is returned to the founder who denyes that Paul bids listen within when its plain he saith the word is in the heart what saith it there O that a man professing knowledge and enterprizing such things should be so sottish and so unable to finish what he hath begun then thou cryes out-hidiously and notes it in the margent for wresting of thy words in that I said thou saist they are ignorant of the Gospel who closes in with these motions of the light within or conscience which doth command to abstaine from the evill and to practise good and thy owne words are now the poore soule through ignorance of the Gospel closes in with these motions of its owne conscience viz. the motions which convinceth of sin within which doth command to abstaine from this evill and practice this good so let wise men consider whether I have wronged that intent of thy words and be not so soon angry for thou canst not vindicate that they that closes in with these motions of the conscience or the light of Christ within which convinceth of sin within which doth commmand to abstaine from this evill and to practice this good is ignorance of the Gospel and doe not evade it by words without knowledge in picking of quarrels and seeking offences by different tearms of words where no occasion justly is given thee Then my Question thou seemest to answer which was what and how doth the light of the Gospel worke if not in the conscience and to command from evill and to practice good this Query stands over thy head not confuted nor fully answered for the true understanding of it thou hast not comprehended but to thy own conception thou hast answered as if I should say that every man hath the light of the Gospell working in them to salvation which I never said nor thought so thy answer is not to the purpose Then thou hast passed by ful slightly as disable to clear thy God and his Spirit that guides thee which is the God of this world of that great sum of wickednesse justly charged upon thee Page 19. of my last which according to true collection is by turning the mind within to the light which doth convince of sin and listning thereunto and claspeing in with the motions of the conscience which doth command to abstaine from evil and to practice good and closing with something within which thou confessed is the light of Christ these things preceding then thou saist hereby or thus is the poore soules carried headlong and at the end of its life doth fall into the belly of Hell this is indeed a sum of wickednesse set forth by thee which when thou receives it in againe shall receive the interest upon it of indignation and vengeance and though thou hast slipped it now it shall then be reckoned on Jobn Bunions score Remember thou owest to prove this before thou be heard any more Then againe thou cries out That I have naughtily belyed thee and the like because of misplaceing a word and saying the light of the world instead of the light brought into the world thou art an unjust Judge who makes offenders for a word misplaceing but it is plaine thou means by light brought into the world that light John 1. 9. which every man in the world is lightned withall and if thou doe then thou art a lyar in saying in thy first Booke and in this the Devil counterfeits the new birth by perswading it is wrought by that light and if thou meane not that light John 1. 9. but that of the Spirit John 16. which I say is not divided then thou art a lyer also and now while thou charges me to be guided by Satan and to be a lyar in the very time hast answerd thy selfe in a lye and cannot get out Mark it Then thou saist Thou passes by many urgeing expressions which thou might charge with unrighteousnesse c. Reply I asked thee by what is the new birth wrought and how if not by following the light of Christ in the
in the sight of God whether thou art not found under some of these carrectars at least or whether thou art not one in union and fellowship with such who act these things yea thou art among them and not crying against them and so art guilty of their sin though not as fully in the act as are some may be so that I doubt not but they who have not hardened their hearts and blinded their eyes will see how thou hast condemned thy self in confessing the truth and the time is coming that further it will be made manifest concerning thee only at present thou art sufficiently discovered to be out of the truth in the way of perdition and how ever though thou hast covered thy selfe as much as is possible from the stroke of thy owne hand and from the guilt of thy own confession yet Jo. Burton thou hast condemned an hundred I thinke of Independant Ministers so called thy brethren who are known to be found guilty of those things all or most of them which thou confesses are marks of a false Prophet and while thou bids us examine our selves thou art the man or among them that are proved truly guilty He saith He is not come to one of the dayes of the thousand yeares of Satans being chained and this is truly confessed and so he is in the reigne and government of the Devill and Satan is not bound but at liberty in him as it well appeares and Christs reigne is not known and so it must needs be true that he is of the Army of the Draggon against the Lamb Some of the same members with him said in Bedford That they scorned that light which convinceth of sin which the Quakers speaks of Further most falsly I am charged by him with railing against the Lord Jesus which is absolute false my words are spoken in feare and reverence of the Lord Jesus Reader these things I leave to thee to be judged of his false slanders and his damnable doctrins and wicked lying accusations and contradictions which his 9 sheets of paper is filled with as if he had set himself to lye and slander and speak wickedly against the truth which is over him and is a testimony against him and though opposed by him yet not confounded but him it confounds and by it he shall be judged and condemned and the time comes when further he may be made manifest if this be not sufficient out of the abundance of his heart hath his wicked tongue tered these things which are but a little of what lodges in him but let him prove these things first and then utter more AND now John Bunian thou and thy false witnesses and all thy company and brethren in iniquity Remember and repent for the day of your visitation is upon you blessed were you if you could receive it before it be spent not to be recalled and before the long suffering of God come to an end and you be shut up in utter darknesse and indeed friends the day hastens wherein every man shall receive according to his deeds he that hath done evill shall not be cloaked and he that hath done good shall not be uncovered in that day when the secrets of all hearts shall be laid open and searched with the eternall eye the end of my worke is to clear the truth and the way thereof God is witnesse from thy slanderous and lying and perverting tongue and onely I reproove thee by the Spirit of the Lord and so leaves thee to receive thy reward from the just God of righteous judgement who upon thy head will render vengeance in flames of fire in his dreadfull day which upon thee comes suddenly even when thou and you cries peace peace then shall destruction come as an armed man from which thou shalt not fly to escape though now you all be hardened against the Lord and his way and truth and hath even bent thy tongue for lyes and hath reproached the innocent to the peirceing of thy own soule and one day shalt thou know it therefore bow and tremble before the Lord God thou and all thy companions a lyar and slanderer thou art a perverter and wrester of the right way of God and of the Scriptures a hipocrite and dissembler a holder forth of damnable doctrines an envious man and false accuser condemning another falsly in what thy selfe is fully guilty of these things I lay to thy charge justly in the presence of the Lord God and upon thy account are they reckoned by him and proved by testimony in the sight of man and may be more fully hereafter if any thing be wanting and one day shalt thou feele the burthen of them though now thou be above shame and all thy lyes slanders deceits confusions hypocrisies contradictions and damnable doctrines of Devils with impudency held forth by thee shall be consumed in the Pit of vengeance and then shall the witnesse in thy conscience justifie the Lord in condemning thee me to be true in reproving thee and this I say to thee and you all the liveing God you know not nor his Son Jesus Christ but are enemies to God and * persecuters of the Lord of life and shall perish among the uncircumcised yee false witnesses and wicked helpers you may be ashamed of your testimony subscribed at the beginning of his lying scribble will you yet say through Grace those things are true the father stop your mouthes in the dust who hath offended the Lord more then defended him or your selves and be ashamed in the presence of God and man much more may be said hereafter to lay you further open if you yet harden your hearts in your wickednesse but I doe rather reprove you then strive with you and rather desires your return to God then your condemnation by him and with this I shall end and by what is said in short is sufficient to manifest you and John Bunian to all honest people what generation you are of and that you are guided by a lying and unclean spirit and that you are doing the Devils worke in gain-saying the way of truth and righteousnesse by your multitude of lyes and slanders and damnable doctrines and whatever you account or falsly judge of me yet am I true though as a deceiver and the Lords servants and a witnesse for him and against all your lyes and slanders and wickednesse hatched amongst you and brought forth by a lyeing orator whom you have made your mouth into the view of the world even a cursed birth and the father of it and the womb that conceived it and it shall rot and perish as the dunge and not accomplish any part of the end of your desire for so loathsome it is being truly searched and laid open that it hath not obtained neither the praise of God nor man but is defamed by men and condemned of God alas alas for thee John Bunian thy severall months travell in griefe and paine is a fruitlesse birth and
and beggerly in comparison c. For shame cease such Divinity least all thy fellowes reproove thee O how doth thy ignorant zeale lead thee into snares and trape thy owne feet Conscience which thou saist is the light of God is Nature it selfe then it must needs be that every mans nature which is sinfull say I is the light of God O what horrible doctrine this proves in its explanation Blush and be ashamed when thou considers then thou cryes out in reproofe O wonderfull sayes thou That men should make a God and Christ of their consciences I know none that doth it nor that ever spoke so highly of conscience as thou hast here done yet we say our consciences beares us witnesse in the holy Ghost and this is our rejoycing the testimony of our consciences and if our consciences condemn us not then have we confidence towards God and yet makes not God and Christ of our conscience as thou secretly would charge us withall then thou goes on and would seeme to prove but cannot that something besides the light of Christ convinceth of sin but thy reach is too short though thou wind abroad and lets thy thoughts into the pit of thy owne reason to bring up a thing to confound truth but cannot for this is thy proofe where they were all convinced by their owne consciences Jo. 8. Now all these I say were men come into the world and therefore according to Jo. 1. 9. were lighted with the light of Christ and thou hast confessed that conscience is the light of Christ as God which is no lesse then I have affirmed then wherefore hast thou waded so farr when at the end thou art forced to confesse my position thy words being explained that it is the light of Christ that doth convince of sin and can find no other thing besides that then thou saist here is something besides the spirit of Christ that doth convince of sin c. But yet I say nothing besides the light of Christ as thou hast confessed and that was that only which I affirmed in the 10 page of mine about which thou hast made all this stir and to no purpose as to prove any thing convinceth of sin but the light of Christ and in that I said he that convinceth of sin against the law leads up into the fulfilling of the law which still I own though the world would contradict it but cannot and I clearly see thou hast not reached the understanding of my words But answere●●hy owne conceiving and not my words for I doe not say or thinke that righteousnesse comes by the law yet that is righteousnesse which condemneth that which breaks the law if thou hast an eare thou may heare and as I said it is the word of truth the righteousnesse of the law must needs be fulfilled in judgement upon you all and by Christ Jesus in you if ever you receive the salvation to your soules and thou hast not yet learned what I mean and though thou say that for justification thou lookes beyond the law to the sonne of Mary but I say thou must not look beyond it for condemnation who are in transgression and not reconciled to God through condemnation in the flesh for it will reach you to condemnation and thou saist Thou understands that I doe in all my disoourse disowne Christ without by pretending to a Christ within To which I say thy understanding deceives thee who it may be feared blinds thy owne eyes that thy conscience may not condemn thee for slandering but while I am approved in the sight of God of those things whereof thou accuses me falsly and wickedly I matter nothing what a lyers judgement is of mee my answer to thy 6 Query shall prove me clear and thee a lyer herein that we own Gods Christ as the Scripture deelares of him as I have said and the darknesse of my words is to blinde the eye of subtilty and not to deceive the hearts of the simple though thou would say it see if thou now can tell what I say And whereas thou art offended that I say many more things in thy Booke I passe by as being not pertinent to the thing in hand my words are true for the thing in hand was proving us decievers and that was the most of that I medled withall or ●urposed to oppose and to other things that thou speakest of in short my answer was and is the words or some of them I own and thy voice I deny without any blaspheming or error in the view of all the world though thou would say it for whatsoever a lying spirit speaks I deny it to be the voice of Christ though it may be some of his words and thy spirit is a lying I pirt though thou be offended that I should say fooles loves to be medling yet its true enough is not he a foole who is alyer and a slanderer ●●at understands not betwixt before a time and since a time judged in thy own conscience and thy faire words as that it must needs be saist thou That the Saints of God must be called foolos c. I say neved presume the name of Saint but clear thy selfe of thy lyes and slanders and perverting Scriptures and learne the First principle of Religion Even that which Condemns thee And as to that which I say is true that the Pope can speake as much of Christ without as thou I own it and may add I beleeve he can speake more then thou of Christ without and with as good or better understanding though both a like sar from the Kingdom of God yet in thy answer thou askes me if I put no difference betwixt the speaking of and beleeving in Christ without Yea I doe a great deale for he that beleeves in in him hath the witnesse in himselfe of him and his heart is purifyed and he is a new creature which thou art not but thou I suppose would be reckoned a Believer for I think the Pope hath both more words and more good workes and makes as much conscience of lying and false accusing as thou for ought as may be understood of a tree by the fruites which is our way to judge as Christ hath given us example then in that I said thou hast answered thy selfe a question deceitfull thou art offended and boasts thy selfe against me Charging me to be an enemy to the truth and the like in that I did not manifest thy deceit but now I shall therefore to stop thy proud boasts in that answer thou calls it a sad doctrin which saith follow the light which Christ hath enligh ned every man withall and other such like things following that question which are deceitfull and wicked and thou thereby is proved the enemy to truth thy selfe and thou and thy words are both deceitfull and therefore boast not thy self then thou answers my Question which was doth not the Scripture witnesse that all who have not Christ within are Reprobates the