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A70920 A general collection of discourses of the virtuosi of France, upon questions of all sorts of philosophy, and other natural knowledg made in the assembly of the Beaux Esprits at Paris, by the most ingenious persons of that nation / render'd into English by G. Havers, Gent.; Recueil général des questions traitées és conférences du Bureau d'adresse. 1-100. English Bureau d'adresse et de rencontre (Paris, France); Havers, G. (George); Renaudot, Théophraste, 1586-1653.; Renaudot, Eusèbe, 1613-1679.; Renaudot, Isaac, d. 1680. 1664 (1664) Wing R1034; ESTC R1662 597,620 597

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or which are most stirr'd as in Sheep the breast and shoulder are the most savoury Now Fish have much less heat then terrestrial animals as appears in that 't is scarce perceivable and consequently are less concoct and savoury but fuller of excrementitious and superfluous humidity which renders them more flat and insipid then the flesh of animals call'd Meat by way of excelience Whence also all hunted flesh or Venison are more delicate then domestick food because wild animals dissipate by the continual motion wherewith they are chafed the superfluous humours which domestick acquire by rest But experience alone and the Church's command are reasons sufficiently strong to establish this truth For experience the mistress of things always causing the most to seek the best shews us that more people eat flesh then fish And the Church doth not forbid us flesh and injoyn fish but to mortifie us The fifth said That the Flesh of Animals is the rule of the goodness of Fish which is the better the nearer it comes to Flesh whence arose the Proverb Young Flesh and old Fish because in time it acquires the consistence of Flesh. Now that which serves for a rule must needs excell the thing to be judged of by it Nor doth the variety of sauces wherewith Fish is prepar'd make more to its advantage then the goodness of the heaft doth to prove that a knife is very sharp CONFERENCE XXX I. Of the Terrestrial Paradise II. Of Embalmings and Mummies I. Of the Terrestrial Paradise THe existence of the Terrestrial Paradise cannot without impiety be doubted since the Scripture assures us that it was in the Eastern parts towards Eden which place Cain inhabited afterwards and is design'd by Ezechiel cap. 27. neer Coran in Mesopotamia But though 't is not easie to know its true place yet I am of their mind who hold that it was in the Mountain Paliedo in Armenia the four Rivers mention'd to water Paradise issuing out of that Mountain to wit Lareze and Araxes Tigris and Euphrates Lareze running towards the West falls into Palus Maeotis or the Mar del Zabac Araxes going towards the East discharges it self into the Caspian Sea or Mar de Sala Tigris and Euphrates run into the Mar de Messedin or Persian Gulph And so Lareze and Araxes will be the Pison and Gihon mentioned in Scripture not the Nile and Ganges as some have thought for the head of Nile being distant from that of Ganges 70 degrees which make 1800 Leagues how can they come from the same place Nor is it to be wonder'd if those Rivers have chang'd their names it being ordinary not only to Rivers but to Seas Cities and Provinces Thus the River Tanais is now call'd Don Ister is nam'd Danubius Eridanus Padus or the Poe Pactolus Tagus and almost all others The second said 'T is with this delicious place as with Illustrious Persons whose Country being unknown every one challenges for theirs Thus after Homer's death seven Cities fell into debate about his birth every one pretending to the glory of it And thus the place of terrestrial Paradise being unknown to men many have assign'd it to their own Country but especially the Orientals have right to appropriate the same to themselves having a title for it Some have conceiv'd That before the Deluge it took up the most fertile Regions of the East namely Syria Damascus Arabia Aegypt and the adjacent Provinces but the Waters having by their inundation disfigured the whole surface of the earth and chang'd the course of the four Rivers there remains not any trace or foot-step of it Many believe that it was in Palestine and that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was planted upon Mount Calvary where our Lord was Crucified to the end the sin of our first Father might be expiated in the same place where it was committed For they who place it under the Equinoctial Line may find some reason for it as to the Heaven but not as to the Earth But they who assign it to the concave of the Moon had need establish new Principles to keep themselves from being ridiculous They best excuse our ignorance who say That 't is indeed in some place upon the Earth but Seas or Rocks or intemperateness of Climate hinder access to it Whereunto others add That when God punish'd the sin of man with the Flood his Justice left the place where the first was committed still cover'd with waters The third said What is commonly alledg'd That the way to Paradise is not easie though meant of the Coelestial may also be applied to the Terrestrial for it is amongst us and yet the way which leads to it cannot be found The diversity of opinions touching its true place hath given ground to some Fathers to take this History in a mystical sence and say That this Paradise was the Universal Church That the four Rivers which watered it and all the Earth were the four Evangdlists their Gospels which at first were written for the benefit of the faithful having resounded through all the corners of the Earth That the Trees laden with good Fruits are the good Works of the many holy Personages the Tree of Life our Lord Christ the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil our Free-will Adam our Soul Eve our Senses the Serpent Temptation the banishment of Adam out of Paradise the loss of Grace the Cherubim wielding his flaming Sword the Divine Anger and Vengeance and the leaves of the Fig-tree the vain excuses of our first Parents But some Geographers having taken notice of a place not far from Babylon where the Rivers Euphrates and Tigris joyn together and afterwards are divided again and change their names one of the Arms which descends into the Persian Sea being call'd Phasis which is Pison the other which is Gihon passing through Arabia Deserta and Aethiopia which is neer it have conceiv'd that the Terrestrial Paradise was at the place of the Conjunction of those four Rivers between the Caspian Persian and Mediterranean Seas towards Mesopotamia and Arabia And consequently it seems best to take this History according to the Letter there being a place still which agrees with the truth of that description Nevertheless the Objection That the small portion of Land which appears between those Rivers would not have suffic'd to lodg and feed Adam and his Posterity as would have been necessary in case he had not finn'd makes me rather incline to their opinion who think that the Terrestrial Paradise was all the habitable Earth such as it was before sin the four Rivers the four Seasons of the Year or the four Cardinal Winds or the four Elements which is manifested in that the Scripture doth not set down that Adam went to Travel into any other Land after he was driven out of Paradise 'T was enough for him that this Earth was no longer a Paradise to him but produc'd nothing but thorns and thistles instead of the fruits and flowers which it