the same satisfaction whiche Iesus Christe hath made to God his father may be communicated and appiled to vs. THE FOVRTH dialogue is of the iustification and sanctification of man. Of the faith in Iesus Christ and of the Iustification thereby MATHEVV WHyche is the meane whereby to comme to that Communycation wherof thou hast euen nowe spoken and by the whiche wée muste communicate with Iesus Christ Pe. There is none other but the only faith in Iesus Christ For by the same we are iustified before God and not by our workes neyther in all nor in parte M. What is it to be iustified before God P. It is to be accoumpted for iust at his iudgemente as if we had neuer sinned M. How maye this be done by the mean of faith P. Bycause that the spirite of God by whome it is giuen vs doth ioyne vs with Christ as members of his body by the meanes of the same faith in such sorte that the iustice of Christe and all that euer he hath done for vs is imputed and ascribed to vs as though it were our owne proper Of the iustificatiō by faith by vvorks M. WHy is this honoure rather giuen to faith than to works P. Bycause there is no iustice that may satisfie the iudgement of God vnlesse it be perfecte as is that of Iesus Christe M. Why may not that of Iesus Christ be as well allowed vnto vs by our works as by faith P. Bycause that they are things altogither cōtrary to be iustified by faith to be iustified by a mans owne works M. What contrarietie is there in that P. If that man could find iustice in himselfe and in his owne workes whereby he mighte satisfie vnto God he should then haue no neede of that of Iesus Christ Of the satisfactiō tovvards god by works M. ANd if he may not satisfie in euery pointe maye he not yet at the least satisfie in parte P. If he cannot satisfie him in the whole no more can he in parte M. For what cause P. Chiefly for two causes M. Whiche is the firste P. It is that God receyueth no iustice for satisfaction if it be not sound and perfect and worthie of his maiestie as wee haue alreadie touched M. Which is the other P. It is that man being naught and vniust of his nature can doe no worke that may be iust as we haue also sayd if he be not first made good and iust Of the works wherby man may satisfie at the iudgement of God. M. DOest thou meane by this that the good and iuste worke maketh not the man good and iust P. I doe not altogether denie but that the good iust work maketh the man good and iust but I say that mans worke can not doe this bycause there procéedeth none suche from him M. Which is then the work that may doe this P. That of Iesus Christ wherof wée haue spoken heretofore whiche bringeth vnto vs this commoditie when wée are made partakers of hym by the meane of Faythe as wée haue alreadie sayd Of the causes why iustification is attributed to faith only M. SHEwe me nowe for full resolution what is the chiefe cause why iustification is ascribed to faith P. Bicause that in stead of bringing to God any thing that is of man he bringeth him to Iesus christ to receiue of him therby that whiche hée can not fynde in himselfe M. For what cause is this done P. To the ende that man may be founde iust before God not by his owne iustice for he can not but by that of Iesus Christe Of the satisfaction by faith M. THy meaning is then that this iustice of Iesus Christ maketh a man iust before God as though he were wholly innocent forsomuche as GOD estéemeth him for such an one accepting the Iustice of his sonne Iesus Chryste for full satisfaction P. It is so and it bringeth yet beside that an other very great commodity M. What is it P. It is that where as before hée coulde doe nothyng but euill this fayth dothe sanctifie him disposing him to the obedience of the will of God and to all good works to the ende that he may serue to iustice to holynesse where as before he serued to iniustice and to sinne M. How is it that faith doth sanctifie man according to thy saying P. There be two things to consider in this sanctification M. Which is the first P. It is that Iesus Christe hauing taken our owne flesh in the wombe of the Virgin in the which he was conceiued by the working of the holy Ghost hath also sanctified it in his Of which thing beside the testimonie that we haue of the Angell in the holy Scriptures the holy Ghost hath yet yelded more ample testimonie in the baptisme of Iesus Christ when in fourme of a doue he did descend vppon him whiche is our head in whome all his members were foorthwith sanctified M. Which is the other pointe P. It is that faith whiche embraceth and receyueth wholly Iesus Christ with al his gifts and graces is neuer in man without the spirite of him nor the spirite of him without his frutes whiche are altogither contrary to the works of the flesh to witte of the corrupted man that is not regenerate by the spirite of God. Of the true spring of good vvorks M DEclare vnto me if thou vnderstandest by this that faith is the fountaine of all good works and the good roote whiche maketh man a good trée to beare good frute wher as before he was an euil trée and bare euill frute P. It cannot bée otherwise M. I thinke then it is the cause why Sainct Paule speaking of the true Christian faith doth call it the liuing and working saith thorough charitie and why Saincte Iames saith that the faith that is withoute works is dead P. There is no doubte of it Of the accomplishing of the lavve in Iesus Christ and of the difference that is betvvene the iustification and sanctification of a Christian man. M. SEing then that man is so refourmed by the meane of faythe thou wilte then saye that he is otherwise disposed to obey the lawe of God than he was before whē he was yet in his owne naturall P. It is easie to vnderstande by that which we haue already said M. May we then in no wise obey the lawe of god excepte that we be first regenerate by his spirite and refourmed to his Image P. No in déede M. If we cā in no sorte obey we are then farre off from yelding perfecte obedience to the whole lawe P. It is true M. What is the cause thereof P. It is for that that our regeneration and reformation is neuer fully perfecte in vs so long as we are wrapped in this corruptable flesh in this worlde M. What other remedy is there then P. It is to haue recourse to the iustification which we haue alredy obteyned thorough the faith in Iesus Christe by the
if it be a worke whereby thy neyghboure receyueth any comforte or helpe in hys person it is then so muche the more profitable Wherefore albeit that the worke be not such as God requireth yet forsomuch as it serueth somewhat to the glory of God and to the edification of our neyboure God is so good that he will not suffer it to be vnrecompenced T. What recompence will he then giue him D. That whiche the worker requireth he desireth glory among men and his particular cōmoditie which things he doth often times receiue for his hire which extend no further than his life for he hathe no further regard at all T. By this accoumpte then thou wouldest conclude that it were better yet that a man should assist the worde of god and his Church and also the poore and that he should do such like works although that his harte were not throughly such as it ought to be rather thā to do nothing at all or to the contrary so that he do it not in any wise to the intente to dishonor God and of a determinate purpose or else rather to hurte his neyghbor than to profite him D. It is true for we haue in the holy Scriptures many examples whiche declare that God hath often times in this worlde done greate good to many that haue not had suche hartes as they ought to haue had bycause that their workes did serue somewhat to his glory and to the reléefe of his people In vvhat sorte the harte of man maye fulfill the lavve of God or no and may be condemned or absolued by the same vvithout the vvorks which god requireth of him in the same T. SEing that the worke which séemeth to be good cannot please God but so farre foorth as the hart from whence they do procéede doth please him and that the harte doth make the worke to be accepted or refused at his hande I do firste aske thée if GOD can contente him selfe without the worke with the harte alone The other is if the worke which of him selfe is euill may please him or else may be suffered by him when he that doth it doth it not for any euill purpose but doth it of force against his harte or else bicause he thinketh it not to be euill The thirde to know in déede if GOD do condemne the wicked thoughte although it be not put in execution and whether it doe as muche displease him as if the effect were ioyned with it D. As touching the firste it is sure that if God haue the harte of man he hath the whole therefore it cannot be but that the harte doth offer and presente vnto him the worke that he requireth of hym wherefore the worke may not be separated from the harte no more than the frute from the trée for euē so as the good trée neuer fayleth to bring foorthe hys frute in his due time and season so doth the good harte at all times and in all seasons that GOD requireth it if he do it not the cause is for that hée wanteth meane to do it and also power or else that he hath not a will to do it if he haue a will and haue no power and meanes to do it that wyll béeing good God dothe accepte and estéemeth it as well as if the facte were done The lyke dothe hée also if the wyll be wicked albeit that it haue not the power to put his wicked thought in execution Wherfore the wicked worke doth not only displease God but also the wicked will and affection in sorte that if it do procéede so farre that it is not long of hir that she doth not execute hir euill purpose and that there is nothing doth hinder it but want of power there is no doubte but that God accompteth the wickednesse done For that cause our Lord Iesus Christ and Sainte Iohn following his doctrine doth compare to a murtherer him that hateth hys brother and estéemeth him an adulterer that behouldeth an other mans wife coueting hir We must vnderstand the like of all other vices according to the interpretation that oure Lorde Iesus Christe himselfe and after him his Apostles gaue vs of the lawe of God but if the hart had the meane the power to do that whiche was commaunded him to do and hathe not only lefte it vndone but hath also not employed him selfe by al meanes possible to vse those occasions wherby he mought do them it is a certaine testimonie and an assured signe that it is not good and that there is no good will in it for if it were good that the will were such as it ought to be it should not be more desirous of any thing than to yeld vnto God that obedience honoure and seruice which is due vnto him and that he requireth of hym wherefore God cannot be pleased wyth such an hart for it is fayned and vntrue Hovve that men do glory in vayne of their good harte and of their faithe if their vvorkes beare not vvitnesse of it and for vvhat cause the iudgement shal be giuen by God according to theyr vvorks and vvhy the Prophets do so ernestly require them exhorting the people of God to repentaunce T. WE do then in vayne glory of the hart if the worke beare not good witnesse of the same D. Yea as well as of the faithe Wherefore we may well here saye with Saincte Iames shewe me thy harte and thy faith by thy workes for as the faith that is without works is not a true faith but onely a vayne and fayned faith and dead and a false shewe of faith hauing nothing of true faith sauing only the name without the effect no more doth the harte liue to God nor is dedicated vnto him that doth not declare himselfe by good works For the fire how litle soeuer it be cannot be without light without heate and at the least without some litle smoke for this cause in the manner of Gods iudgement which is set foorth to vs by our Lord Iesus Christ there is in manner no mention made but onely of works by the which euery man is iudged forsomuch as they shall beare witnesse of the harte and faith of euery man Likewise when the Prophets exhorte men to true repentaunce they doe euer prayse works and namely suche as do concerne our neyghboure forsomuche as hipocrisie may least be therein cloked and that mā doth declare by that whiche he doth concerning the commaundements of the second table and toward his neyghboure what harte he beareth toward God and in what reuerence he hath the commandements of the first table for it is an easie matter for a man to boast himselfe to haue a sound and perfecte harte towarde God and to make a shew by the obseruation of the outward ceremonies but whē he must in déede lay hande to the worke which is to say to the true charitie which is the ende and fulfilling of the lawe and to the workes
same neyther thou nor thy sonne nor thy daughter neyther thy manseruant nor thy woman seruant nor thy cattell nor the straunger that is within thy gates for in sixe dayes the Eternall made the heauen and the earth and the sea and all the things that are in them and he rested the seuenth day And therfore the Eternall blessed the daye of rest and sanctified it The second Table Honour thy father and thy mother to the ende that thy dayes may be prolonged vpon the earth the which the Eternal thy God giueth thée The sixth Thou shalte not kill The seuenth Thou shalte not committe whooredome The eyght Thou shalte not steale The nynth Thou shalt not beare false witnesse agaynst thy neyghbour The tenth Thou shalt not couet thy neyghbours house nor his wyfe neyther his manseruant nor his woman seruaunt nor hys oxe ne yet his asse neyther any thyng that is his Behold these ar the very words which Moyses receyued of the Lorde ingraued in two Tables of stone in the fulfilling wherof he doth not regarde the outward worke onely but chiefly the affection of the heart according to the whiche he iudgeth of the works be they good or euill Of the Summarie that Iesus Christe hathe made of the law of god Chap. 25. ANd bicause that God hath bréefly cōprehended in the firste Table of the law those things whiche he requireth of men towardes his owne person and in the seconde that which he requireth also of them towardes their neighboures for his sake our Lord Iesus hath made an other Summarie yet more bréefe in the whiche he comprehendeth in two points all that whiche is conteyned in these two tables in manner folowing being taken out of the bookes of Moyses Hearken O Israell The Eternal thy God is one God only Thou shalte loue the Eternall thy God with all thy heart with all thy soule and with al thy vnderstanding and mynde It is the firste and greate commaundement And the second is like to the same Thou shalt loue thy neyghbour as thy self Of these two commaundementes depende all the lawe and the Prophetes And all that whiche you woulde that men shoulde doe to you the lyke do you to them Of the true fulfilling of the lawe of god Chap. 27. BVt euen as no man can serue God a ryght according to his will excepte he be well instructed first in his lawe and in his worde euen so it is not sufficiente to haue bene well instructed if it be not put in vse And therefore the knowledge of the same serueth but to greater condemnation if there be nothing else And bycause that man of his nature is so corrupted thorowe synne that not onely he can not of himselfe accomplishe perfectly any one of the commaundements of God but on the contrary can doe nothing else but continually resist his holy will Therfore he hath néede of Iesus Chryst chiefly for two causes The fyrste to satisfye for man in that wherein he is not able to the ende that Iesus Chryst thorowe his obedience mought recompence the fault that is in man thoroughe his rebellion The seconde is to the ende that manne béeing Iustifyed thorough Faythe in Iesus Chryste as is alreadye sayde and so foorthewyth regenerated by hys Spirite and refourmed to the very image of GOD moughte bee the better disposed to obey his holie will to dedicate and consecrate hymselfe wholly to his seruice Of good works which are the frutes of true fayth Chap. 28. IT is then easy to iudge by these things if they be well vnderstode that so much is wanting that the faith in Iesus Christ and the iustification that men obtayne by the same without their workes doe abolishe good workes and the affection of the true and faithfull to the same that there is nothyng that dothe more establyshe and confirme them and that dothe more enflame men to do them For as the soule can not be without life nor the fire without heate and light nor the good trée without bringing forth good frute euen so faith can not be a true faithe if she be not a lyuing faith and she can not be liuing but is dead if she be without good works whiche are the true frutes and the true signes of faith But to the end that none may be deceyued in the matter of good woorkes he must vnderstande that God dothe not estéeme nor doth allowe for suche any other than those whiche are commaunded by him in his worde Of the principall pointes conteined in the holie Scriptures whiche doe summarily comprehend all that which is required in the true seruice of god Chapter 29. THen if we shall speake of the true seruice of God we may reduce into foure pointes all that whiche he requireth in the same according to the declaratiō whiche he hath made in his holy Scriptures The firste is that man put all his whole truste in him alone awayting for all his saluation of him alone thorowe Iesus Christe The seconde that he call vppon him in all his necessities for all things as well corporall as spirituall according to the rule which he himself gaue vnto him The third is that he render graces thanks to him for al the benefites that he hath receiued that he doth daily receue of him The fourth that he yelde himselfe obedient vnto him in all thyngs that he shall commaunde him as well in respect of his owne person as in respect of his neighbor Of the true seruice of God whiche is spirituall Chap. 30. ANd for so muche as it concerneth the substance of the true seruice of God séeing that he is a spirite he requireth also to be serued and honored in spirite and veritie and not in visible things such as are material and corruptible as are images alters temples pilgrimages and other suche lyke superstitions and idolatries inuēted by man For if his good pleasure were that the auncient ceremonies of the lawe should be abolished in the cōming of Iesus Christ of whom they were figures to bring men to this true spirituall seruice it is easy thē to iudge how he mought endure that men shuld forge new ceremonies thorow great presumption according to their owne fantasie to serue hym after their pleasure and not after his Of the ministerie of the Gospell and of the principall partes of the same and of the true vse of the sacraments Chapter 31. FOr that cause he hath ordeyned the ministerie of the Gospell in hys Churche to teache all men according to that doctrine thoroughe the preachyng of the same Wherevnto hée hath adoyned his holye Sacramentes for many causes The fyrste is that they shoulde be vnto vs for greater confirmation of the doctrine of the whiche they are as the seales and in lyke sorte of the sayth which procéedeth of the same The seconde cause is to the ende that they may serue vs for aduertisementes to bring vs to acknowledge the benefites the whyche we haue
paide the last mayle he maye as well do it for a little summe as for a great and for a parte as for the whole Mathevv I graunte the same But in the meane time thou must confesse that the debter is lesse bound than before Wherfore is it then that this hathe not as well please with God as with men and that he doth not alwayes accoumpte that which is payed and go in hande to rebate so muche as hath bin payde vnto him P. There be thrée pointes to consider in the same M. Which is the firste P. It is that he whiche is faultie in one pointe of the lawe is faultie in the whole M. And whiche is the second P. The impuritie of the works of man. M. And the thirde P. The obligation by the which they are alredy of right by their nature boūd to god VVhy one only sinne maketh a man guiltie of all the lavve and of damnation M. I Do well vnderstand thy meaning For firste it séemeth to me by thy words that it should folow that he who hath committed but one sinne is as guiltie as he that hath committed many or hath committed all P. Saincte Iames whose opinion I haue followed saith not so M. What saith he then P. Who soeuer breaketh one pointe of the lawe the same committeth high treason againste God from whence it followeth that by the same he deserueth eternall damnation albeit he had committed but that one only M. Howe vnderstandest thou it P. Séeing that God is an eternall Prince and king euery sinne committed against his maiestie whiche is eternall doth merite also eternall punishmente If those vvhiche haue most sinned shal be most punished by Gods iudgemente M. IF he then be also damned that shall haue committed few sinnes as well as he that shall haue committed many it is then as good for a man to excéede as it were with the raines layde on his necke as to refraine and abstayne from many from the whiche a man might kepe hym selfe P. That followeth not M. What reason can you alleadge to the contrary P. It is that albeit there be eternall dānation for all the reprobates yet notwithstanding he that shall haue moste sinned shal not faile to be most punished for so muche as it is written euery man shall receiue his hire according to hys works M. Haste thou none other passages of the Scriptures more euidente to proue that whiche thou sayest P. Iesus Christe him selfe doth saye to that same purpose that the seruant which knoweth the will of his master and doth it not shal be beaten with mo stripes than he that hath not done it being ignorante of it M. This passage is very playne Pet. Thou hast also that which Iesus Christ himself hath said that those of Sodome Gomorre shal be more softly delt with at the day of iudgement than these which shal haue cast off the Gospell from them Of the impuritie of mens vvorks and hovv God iudgeth of them M. I Do now vnderstand this point wel wherefore thou maist proceede to the other which is concerning the impuritie of mens workes P. That is that séeing men are corrupted by sinne there cā procéede from them no worke whatsoeuer it be haue it neuer so faire a shewe before men whiche is not so foule as nothing may be more M. It followeth then that they cā do no good work and the best that they can do are all euill of their nature if God will examine them according to the rule of his iustice and perfection P. Thou saist very truth wherefore so farre is it off frō being able to apease Gods wrath but that they dayly prouoke the same more more so lōg as he beholdeth them such as they be of their nature for god iudgeth not as mē do M. What differēce is there then Doth he not iudge that to be good which is good and euil that which is euil P. If he should iudge otherwise he should not be iust nor good but bycause he is a good iust iudge he iudgeth of mēs works as they ought to be iudged of in déede and not as men which do not iudge but acording to the outward apparance M. What is the cause thereof Pe. There be two The first is that they cannot knowe and found the harts as God can The other is also bycause that they be so blind in theyr owne workes wherefore they cannot sée in them that whiche God séeth in them bycause they do not consider their naturall corruption as they oughte to do neyther do they know it as it is requisite Of the obligation vvherby mā is bound to God and for vvhat cause he cannot make recompence by the good vvorks vvhich he doth for the euill vvorks vvhich he hath committed M. COme nowe to the third pointe which is concerning mans obligation towardes God. P. Euen as men are bounde not to do that which God forbiddeth euē so be they boūd to do that which he commaundeth them M. What followeth of that P. For somuche as there is double obligation the one cannot abolish the other For if I do one parte of that which God commandeth me I remaine alwayes yet bounde for that which is yet to do M. But in the meane time the same is alredy done and in that respecte thou hast alredy satisfied for that parte P. Albeit that my harte were so perfecte that there were nothing in it to be blamed before God that notwithstanding it coulde not serue me for satisfaction for bycause I remaine a debter séeing that I oughte alredy that which I haue payed M. I graunt thée that P. Now if the good works done may not satisfie for those which be vndon how shal they satisfie for the euill works which I shal haue done against the expresse cōmandement of God M. I haue no more to replie For I sée well that I cannot recompence an euill worke with a good and that for two causes The firste bicause that I can not do any which is verily good The other bycause I owe the good whiche I shoulde doe and yet I am still guiltie for the euill whiche I haue committed P. And therfore Iesus Christ hath sayd When you shall haue done al that whiche is commaunded you say ye We are vnprofitable seruantes we haue done that whiche we ought to do For what cause there is nothyng but the only sacrifice of Iesus Christ which may satisfie at the iudgement of God. M I Do nowe knowe more manifestly what thou wilte conclude by thys whole discourse and by that whiche thou hast alreadie sayde concerning this purpose that there is none but Iesus Christ which may do sacrifice or any worke acceptable vnto God. P. If that mē mought doe it of themselues he then should haue ben giuen to vs in vaine by the Father to doe that whiche an other mought haue done beside him For as Saincte Paule sayeth he should haue died in vayn if we mought
blyndenesse that synne hathe engendred in the vnderstandyng of man which is the cause that he cannot so well discerne the good from the euill nor iudge of the one and the other as he should haue done if he had continued in the state of innocencie and grace in the whiche he was created beside that there is this other greate mischiefe that man doth willingly supporte that wherin hee would himselfe be supported and that he neuer hath so great care for that which concerneth the honoure of God as for that whiche concerneth his owne bodie It is the cause why men doe rather punishe yea and that more gréeuousely those faultes whiche touche their honor or dishonor or their profit or hindrance than they doe those whiche make warres directly against the honour and maiestie of God but it is not so with God for he is not contented with the only work that appeareth outwardly but he requireth the hearte and beholdeth the fountayne from whence the woork springeth which can not please him howe faire a shewe so euer it haue but only so farre foorth as it procéedeth from the heart and that the heart doe please him the whiche in déede can in no wise please him but so farforth as he doth drawe néere to his nature and that he is reformed and made new lyke to his image and regenerate by his holy spirite For there is no worke good nor pleasant to God but that whiche procéedeth from him and that he himself doth for euen as there is none good but onely he so is ther no good thing but that which procedeth frō him alone therfore the work which procéedeth from vs can not please him but so farre as hée worketh in vs by his holy spirite and that our spirite is gouerned by his For he whiche is a spirite is then serued by his like In vvhat sorte the vvordes of the lavve of God ought to be vnderstode and hovve that God dothe not onely beholde the outvvarde vvorkes but the origiginal of them also vvhat be the things that God doth allovv or cōdemne in man. T. SO farre foorth as I may vnderstand by thy woordes that lawe doth well deserue to be otherwyse weyed and considered of than it is D. It is euen so For when God dothe require of vs a thing that séemeth to belong to the outewarde woorke wée oughte to vnderstande the whole by a parte and the cause by the effecte and the roote and the whole herbe by the fruict and the woorkeman by the woorke and all the circumstaunces and dependances of the one and the other And when he forbiddeth a thyng we muste also knowe that he commaundeth his contrarie and likewise when he commaundeth hée forbiddeth the contrarie of that whiche he commaundeth For he beholdeth man thorowly both endlong and ouerthwarte and dothe sounde the hearte and all the thoughts and affections of him and alloweth nothyng in hym but that whiche he fyndeth to bée his and hathe himselfe commaunded and disalloweth nothing but that which man hath receiued of others than of him that which he hath forbidden him Wherfore he doth not only condemne that worke whiche séemeth outwardly to bée euill but also the spring from whence the same procedeth doth not onely condemne it when his frute is come to light but he doth alwais condemn it albeit that it doe continually lie hidde in secrete in the darke bottomlesse pittes of ignoraunce of the hearte of man vnsearcheable to man but knowne and open to god Therfore Dauid sayeth thou haste proued and knowne mée thou haste knowne mée sitting and standing going and commyng within and without For howe may it be that the workeman which made man shoulde not know him whiche did know him before he was begotten and made Shall not the workman know his worke T. Who shoulde then know him if he should not Of the consideration of those things which in dede displease God in man and first of all in his vvorke and in vvhat sort it ought to be cōsidered as commaunded or forbidden by God. D. SEeing then that hée whyche is the workeman and hath framed made the substance it selfe wherof he is fashioned and that he him selfe is the giuer of the fashion it is not to bee doubted but that hée doothe verye well knowe all that euer is in hym and that whyche hée hath of his owne put into hym and what man hath of others to destroy his worke Wée must therfore note here that there are in vs foure things that can not please God and euery of them dothe in his behalfe deserue death and eternal damnation Nowe if any one of them being taken aparte if it were possible to separate them the one from the other be so abhominable of his owne nature and worthye of so gréeuous punyshemente what may it then be when they are all ioyned togither T. There must néedes be muche filthinesse but which be these things D. First there is concupiscence for the seconde the affection begotten of him for the third the consent of the wil to this affection for the fourthe the execution of the same by déede But I will begin my declaration by this last which is to say by the work that apeareth outwardly to the ende that by the same wée maye haue the better vnderstanding of the other thynges that doe goe before which are more hidden and more secret In this poynt I will begin by the moste apparaunt and open frute whereby wée easily iudge of the nature of all trées For in setting foorthe firste the worke the workeman shal not only be knowne therby but also the forge and shoppe wherein that worke hath bin wrought As concerning the worke we oughte to consider it first two wais The one as commaunded of God the other as forbidden by hym That which is commaunded by God can neuer be euill being vnderstoode in that sense and meaning that he hath cōmaunded it and being applyed to that end that it oughte to bée On the other side that which he hath forbidden being weyed in the same sorte may neuer in any wise be good By what rule the vvorks of men ought to be examined and hovv daungerous a thing it is to follovve the iudgemente of mans reason T. WE ought then to be well aduised and to take good héede how we do establish iudgement vppon mans reason and vpon the opinions of men in such matters D. It is very true For it is often times séene that men iudge that good which is euil and do disalowe that which God aloweth and alowe that whiche he disaloweth for the causes before mentioned For in the iudgement of god the sentence shall not be giuen according to the iudgement of mans reason and of the opinions of men but according to the pronuntiation whiche God hath alredy pronounced by his worde and by his lawe which shall be the weights the ballaunce and the rule wherein and whereby al the thoughts words and
works of men shall be weyed and measured Hovv that the lavv of god is transgressed not only in doing that vvhich is forbidden by it but also in leuing that vndone vvhiche is therin commaunded and hovv that those good vvorks which vve do are not able to satisfie for them vvhich vve ought to do and do not ne yet for those vvhich vve do against the vvill of God. T. THen doth it follow that whosoeuer shall do that whiche shall be forbidden of God or shall leaue vndone that which he doth commaund him the same deserueth condemnation On the other side he that shall absteyne frō that which he hath forbidden and shall do that which he hath cōmanded the same shall receiue the prayse and commendation of a good faithfull seruaunt D. These two pointes that thou touchest are right well worthy to be noted For there be some that thinke that they haue sufficiently fulfilled the lawe of God if that they haue refrayned frō those things which are therein forbidden yea and if it haue bin don but only in outward apparance withoute laying of handes with a prompte courage to those thinges whiche are commaunded them On the other side there be others whiche think that they may the more lawfully dispense with thēselues to do many things that be forbiddē in the law whē they haue don some litle porcion of those whiche are commaunded and thinke these to be a recōpēce for the others But we must nedes walke in all other manner of simplicitie before god must put in vse that which Iesus christ hath said it behoueth to do this and not to leaue the other vndone for here it ought to haue better place than in any where else It behoueth to do that whiche is commaunded and to refrayne from that which is forbidden For he that commaundeth and he that forbiddeth is alway one Lord who will not suffer hys maiestie to be more dishonored of the one parte than of the other Therefore when thou dost some part of that which is commaunded thée thinke not by that litle wel doing whiche thou hast done on the one side to haue recompenced the greate euill whiche thou hast committed on the other side For if thou haue don any thing wel thou hast done thy dutie and hast done nothing else yea and that which more is thou hast not done all that howe mayest thou thē recompence the euill which thou hast committed in doing that which was forbiddē thée by this litle good which thou hast done when that same it selfe is not sufficient to satisfie for the faultes whiche thou haste committed in the leauing of that vndone which thou oughtest to haue done T. I do know that very well Hovv that it is not sufficient to do outvvardly the vvorks vvhich God commaundeth if that they be not done to the intent and to the very same purpose for the vvhich God doth commaund them hovv greatly hypocrisie displeaseth God. D. ON the other parte when thou doest the worke which god commandeth thou must take good héede to what ende thou doest it and with what minde For if thou do it more for thine own glory and profite for thine owne behoofe than thou doest for the honoure of God and for the loue thou bearest to him or to thy neyghboure for his sake thou makest of a good worke an euill worke and doest greatly offend him thorough thy hypocrisie abusing his name making a maske of his lawe to serue thée and thy wicked affections And therefore such a worke is no more a worke of the spirite of God for so muche as it is not done in truth but in lies For al hypocrisie is lyes for somuch as it is nothing else but falshod fayning and dissimulation whiche hath an other shewe outwardly than the troth of the thing hath inwardly Now al lyes procéed from the deuill The worke then which is done in lyes is of the deuill and not of god Wherefore it cannot muche better please God than doth the troth which the deuill speaketh to couer his lies with and to transfigure himselfe into an Angell of light and that all the works do that euer he doth howe faire a shewe so euer they haue although God do make them serue to his glory For his intente is alwayes wicked forsomuch as he neuer doth thing but for himselfe and hath regard neyther to the honour of God nor to the profite of any creature wherfore he is neuer more perilous than when he hath the greatest shew of well doing for then it is that hée doth most dishonor god and doth greatest hurt to men bycause he is more couered and disguised more harde to be knowne and to be taken vpō the sudden wherfore those whiche call this deuill that is so disguised a white deuill are not voyd of reason Therefore the false Prophets are neuer more dangerous than whē they haue the greatest shewe of holynesse do most counterfaite the true seruauntes of God the like is of al hypocrites The good work whiche he semeth to doe is often tymes worse than thogh it were set forth plainly suche as it is It is the very cause why Christe did condemne the almes prayers and fastings of the Scribes and Pharisies and all their other works forsomuch as they did them only to be séene of men VVhat good or hurte the vvorke doth that is outvvardly done not vvith a good hart vvhat it may bring to the vvorker of the same also to others and vvhether it be better that it be done or vndone T. IF the matter be such that the worke it selfe which God commaundeth cānot please him if it do not procéede from such a harte as he requireth but doth rather displease him it followeth then that if a man haue not such an harte he dothe not onely léese his time in doing of suche a worke but he doth also purchace to himselfe a more greater iudgemente D. There are also two pointes to be considered in this matter if that the man that doth this worke doth it thoroughly of a very malice and to suche ende as the Deuil doth his to witte to dishonor God and to deceiue mē and to hurte his neyghbor it were much better that he did nothing at all for his worke can do but hurte and more to himselfe than to any other if hée do it not in déede for so euil a purpose but onely to haue some worldlye honoure or profite the worke is then yet somewhat more profitable in sundry sortes as well to himselfe as to others according to the circumstaunces of the same than if it had not bin done at all or else if he had done those works whiche God hath forbidden For first of al those that sée such a worke are edified in somuch as they sée it to bée good of his owne nature and doe thinke that it procéedeth from such an harte as it sheweth for outwardly on the other side
punishment if there were no other thing in man we may wel thinke what it is that the other sortes do deserue which do daily aggrauate the euill and encrease it more continually Wherfore this originall sinne ought not to be estéemed a smal sin no more ought these buddes of concupiscence and the wicked affections as many do accompt them and chéefly the Papistes For the maiestie of God is so great that there is no rebellion what soeuer it be nor roote of rebellion wickednesse but it is a crime of treason agaynst the maiestie of god For God hath not only forbidden the act consent to euill but also the very concupiscence it self although that it do not procéede so far as to the consent as it appeareth by that which he sayd thou shalt not couet which shal be more plainly declared in his place Now it is méete that the punishmēt be giuē according to the nature of the sinne wherfore seing that God against whose maiestie the fault is cōmitted is eternal it is certē that there is no pain whatsoeuer it be that is sufficient for the punishmēt of an offēce cōmitted against the maiestie of suche a prince nor may satisfie for the dishonoring of the same for the case stādeth not with god as it doth with mā for so much as mā is mortal how gret a prince soeuer he be he may stretch extend his auctoritie no further thā vpō the earthly goods or body of the offender and according to the faulte by him cōmitted he taketh either his goods or his body if the worst fal he can take frō him but his body temporall life for so muche as his power extendeth no further but to this life and that the fault touching either his person or his office is but temporall as he is but God hath a reigne power which stretcheth further for it is eternall as he is And therfore the faults which are cōmitted against him are worthy of eternall punishment And therfore our sauiour Iesus Christ sayth that God hath not only power to sley the body as men haue but he is able also to sley both body and soule and then to cast bothe the one and the other into euerlasting fire which is ordeyned for eternall punishments Of the opinion of those which say that none shall be damned and of the abuse of the mercy of god and of the greatnesse of sinne and of the paine due to the same and of the wrath of God against it declared in the death of Iesus Christe and of the meane whereby to be deiluered from it and in what meaning we ought to vnderstand that God hath made no man to destroy or damne him T. THat which thou sayest is farre off from the opinion of suche as say that none shal be dāned and that in very déed the diuels shal once be saued D. The worde of God shall then be false whiche speaketh the cleane contrary T. They do ground them selues vpon the mercies of God saying that God hath created no man to destruction and that it shall be a great crueltie in him and contrary to his mercifull nature to punish so gréeuously a temporall sinne to witte with euerlasting payne D. Suche men doe greatly abuse them selues and doe declare plainly that they knowe neither the nature of sinne nor yet the maiestie of him against whome it is cōmitted For do they thinke the contempte of such a maiesty ro be nothing according to the which the greatnesse of the sinne must be measured not only according to the thing wherin it hath bin committed wherfore if that god shuld punish with eternall death all the men that euer were are shal be he shuld do them no wrong but should do them iustice and right Therefore in that that he saueth those which haue recourse to his mercie the same commeth of his méere grace wherein in déed he declareth vnto vs what punishmēt we haue deserued For seing that it was expediēt that his owne sonne shuld beare the payne which was due to the sinnes of them vnto whome he would shew mercie in him by him he hath right wel declared by the same that there was no payne whatsoeuer it was that was able to satisfie his iudgemente but that of his sonne who by reason of his great innocencie perfect obedience was only sufficient for such a satisfaction For if man could suffer any paine whereby he mought satisfie the eternall iustice of God there should then be no hell nor eternall damnation for the paines should once haue ende But forsomuche as they do neuer ende they do declare thereby that they are not sufficiente for such satisfaction and on the other side that it must néedes be bycause that they may in no wise be sufficient that they be eternall sauing only to suche as haue rereyued Iesus Christe by faith who hathe borne the wrath of God and the paynes due to their sinnes to deliuer them as it is written he that beloueth in the sonne of God the same hathe eternall lyfe He that beléeueth not in the Sonne of God the wrathe of God abideth still vpon him And as concerning that which thou hast said that God hath made no man to be damned I do cōfesse it if it be well vnderstood but not in that sense that they do take it which aledge that texte or passage of the scripture to abuse the grace goodnesse of God. It is very true that God hath made no creature to that only ende that he should be damned for he hath created all thinges for his glory hath minde all for him selfe yea the wicked for the euill day That is the principall ende of all his works notwithstāding he leaueth not to punishe and to damne with eternall death those which contemne his law and his holy word forsomuch as their damnation doth serue to his glory for the which they were created For his glory doth not only consist in that that he sheweth mercie to his but also in that that he executeth iugemēt and doth declare his iustice vppon his enimies Let vs therefore take héede that we mocke not with him nor seduce oure selues for albeit that by hys great power and wisedome he can drawe goodnesse out of the euil which the wicked committe and can tourne it and make it to serue to his honoure and glory and to the health of his chosen people whereas the wicked ones do tourne his good creatures and his good works into euil he leaueth not for al that to hate still that which is euill in somuche as it is euill and the abuse of his creatures and of his giftes and graces and to condemne and punish those whiche committe suche offences if they haue not forgiuenesse by his grace mercie in Iesus Christ Hovve that euery sinne is of his ovvne nature damnable and hovv that notvvithstanding it is not able to damne the faythfull T. SO farre forthe as I maye iudge
fallen into an other necessitie wholy cōtrary to the first For in the stead that before he did necessarily good was wholy giuen to God for that of his nature he coulde not then will nor do otherwise through constraint hauing changed both nature will he can not but folow his nature wherefore this necessitie of wel doing did not procéede of any wāt that was in him as it séemeth vnto vs that the woorde doth signifie for when wée speake of good things we doe not in that behalfe take necessitie for néede or lacks but for a dispositiō of things which cā not be other but such as she is hir self according to the declaration that hath bene already made if wée speake of euill wée may well then say that the necessitie whereof wée speake is ioyned with lacke of goodnesse contrarie to this euill For the euill which man doth is not done but for wante of goodnesse which ought to be in him in the steade of the euill into the which the good was chaunged the which euill of his nature engēdreth euill where as the good engendreth good Wée sée the like againe of this in some other thing as in the darkenesses whiche the night doth bring vnto vs in that which foloweth for what is the cause of the night but only the shadow of the earth whiche taketh from vs the light of the sunne bringeth vnto vs darknesses cōtrary to that light by meanes whereof we haue the day turned into night and then when we are couered all ouer with the night we can not doe that which we doe in the day nor go forth right but clean contrarie and that bicause that wée haue darknesse in the steade of light without the which we can not walke directly yet all this while is the necessitie without constraint For albeit that the lacke which may be in a mā the which we cal necessitie be by chaūce an occasion to make him to steale yet notwithstāding he cannot iustly say that he was constrained to steale for if he had bene an honest man and not a théefe he would rather haue endured all kinde of miseries necessities than to haue stolen but for so much as he had rather liue at his ease than he would endure paine misery according to the will of God he had rather steale than to obey God. Hovv that the necessitie that is here spoken of is free and commendable in good things and hovv it ought to be othervvise considered in God than in Creatures T. THen by as much as I can vnderstand of such matters if this necessitie be sound in a good thing it is cōmendable ioined with great libertie D. We doe sée it in the nature of God as it hath bene already touched For that which God can not bée necessarily but all mighty all wise all iust all good al perfect infinite eternal immortall doth not carrie with it a necessitie of lacke nor constraint nor yet doth in any respect diminish the power the glory maiestie of him but on the cōtrary it doth magnifie declare the great excellencie perfection of his nature For it is not a true libertie cōmendation to be able to sinne to doe euill but it is a token of an excellent nature to be so perfect in goodnesse that it doth holde in it cōtinually that goodnesse which it naturally hath in such sorte that it cā not by any accident whatsoeuer it be be chaunged diminished or abolished it is as if we shold say that it is impossible that God should not be God good and iuste Who would not cōclude thē by that same that God is not all mighty that there is something impossible to him Are we more stronge than he bicause we may be wicked vntrue vniust liers the which he cā not be For goodnes is in him a thing which hath subiect substāce the accidēts agreable to the same as we do sée in the sunne in his light which doth light all the world for the euil is nothing els but a priuatiō lacke want of the good which ought to be euen as the darkenesses are nothing els than priuation lacke of light Or if thou haddest rather to haue it spoken in other termes it is nothing but a corrupted qualitie a vicious accident which are come vpō a good substance creature of God haue corrupted it the faute whereof may not be sought in God albeit that nothing cā come to passe without his prouidence his eternal counsell but it must be sought in causes more neare vnto vs leauing a parte the secrete counselles iudgments of God which is in such sorte the cause of causes that no fault may be imputed vnto him or that he cā do any thing other than iustly For he hath in such sort disposed the secōd causes that when the euil is a doing the wicked will either of the Deuill or man cōmeth betwéene in such sorte that that fault resteth in thē albeit that God doth cause their wicked worke and will to serue him and make the worker good in so much as God is serued therewith As touching the reste thou oughtest to note that there is none which of his own nature is of such an vnchaungeable and infinite goodnesse but God only which is onely vnchangeable and the most frée of all others and doth giue a law to al creatures is aboue all lawes himselfe being a lawe to all creatures For the same cause our Lorde Iesus Christe hath saide that none is good but the onely God bicause that goodnesse is to him naturall essentiall and substantiall and it is inseparable with him and not accidentall and separable which may be ioyned vnto him or taken away from him by any manner of meanes But the like is not of creatures how excellent so euer they be as we may sée first in the Angels and afterwarde in man. T. I shall also very gladly vnderstand this point Of the creation and fall of the Angels and hovv that God in the same hath declared the difference that is betvveene the Creator and the Creature and hovv it is onely he that is perfect and vnchaungeable D. WHen he did create the Angells he created them all good for he could make them none other for somuch as he is in suche sorte good that he can do nothing but well otherwyse he shoulde not be god Wherfore we may not imagine two Gods with the Manichees the one good and the author and Creator of good things and the other euill and the author and creator of euill For the euill can not bée God nor any other than the deuill himselfe which is a creature and not a Creator although he be the author of all euill who notwithstandyng was not created suche an one of God but is become suche of his owne malice when he turned away from God and renounced the goodnesse that he receyued of him
the glory of God to be preferred to all creatures And if that al the creatures should perish wherefore should we thinke it straunge if god were glorified in their perdition and that it did so please him T. No man ought to finde that straunge excepte he do more estéeme the creature than the Creator D. Therefore it is playne that this offence whiche many giue vnto themselues in the matter of reprobation of the reprobates procedeth not but from a maruellous greate pride and arrogancie of the flesh whiche estemeth itselfe more than it ought to do for if it had so small an estimation of it selfe as the worthynesse therof requireth and did estéeme God his glory so muche as it ought to do he should not onely not finde it straunge to knowe that god hath ordeyned to be glorified in the damnation of some no although it should be done with his owne person he shoulde glorifie God in his iust iudgement he would not murmure against him to wage the lawe with him and to play the lawyer and to pleade againste him to mainteyne the cause of the reprobates accusing hym as though he should do them wrong but rather he would desire himselfe to be damned as Saincte Paule desired for his bretherne the Israelites if it were possible that it moughte be done and that God mought be the more magnified and glorified therein From whēce then come these cōtrary thoughts but only of the horrible pride that is in our corrupted nature for what are we from whence came we what wrong may God do vnto vs wherin are we able to accuse him or attribute vnto him the faulte of our offences and of oure damnation and to set him in the place of the Deuill author of sinne considering that what determination so euer he haue made of vs we cānot complaine that we haue any other force violence constrainte to do euill but onely of oure owne wicked concupiscence vnlesse that happily we would complayne in that that he hath not made vs suche as coulde not sinne or else hauing sinned that he dothe not bestow vppon all like grace and that he dothe not saue all forsomuche as he moughte if that he woulde otherwise he shoulde not be God nor almightie but it hath pleased him that not without good and iust cause the whiche is continually such albeit that we cannot vnderstand it Therefore we must continually say with the Prophete that oure damnation is of our selues and our saluation of God only and say with S. Paule But o thou mā what arte thou that pleadest against god shall the thing that is fashioned say vnto him that fashioned it why hast thou shaped and made me thus The potter hathe he not power of the clay to make of one very lumpe one vessel to honoure and an other to dishonor And what if God wold to shewe his wrath and to make his power knowne suffer with great pacience the vessells of wrath prepared to perdition and to shewe the riches of his glory vppon the vessells of his mercie which he hath prepared to glorye and agayne O the déepenesse of the riches of the wisedome and knowledge of God his iudgementes are not to be searched out and his wayes are impossible to be found For who is he that hath knowne the Lordes intente or who hath bin his counsellor or who is he that gaue to him firste and he shal be recompenced Hovve that the vvill of man cannot by any meanes be constrayned no not by the deuill himselfe but only of his ovvne vvickednes T. FOr my parte I graunte to all that which thou hast sayde but yet canst thou not denye but that mā is yet oftentimes constrained to sinne by meane of the temptacion and soliciting of the deuill D. This constraint wherof thou speakest is cōstraint without cōstraint for it is not in the power of al the deuils nor of al the creatures that are to constraine the will of one mā Wherfore what temptatiō or solicitatiō so euer happē vnto him if he did not willingly consent therevnto he could not be induced to do any kinde of thyng against his will. But it fareth with hym as it doth with a harlot for if she be solicited by bawdes and whoremasters she will giue ouer hir selfe vnto them which thing an honest woman will not do but will resist all suche temptations and procurements wil ouercome them Therfore albeit that the harlot may impute some parte of the cause of the offēce that she hath committed to those that did entise hir and procure hir therevnto yet notwithstanding she may not say that she hath bin constrayned so to do nor may by that meane excuse hir selfe for if she had not agréed therevnto of hir owne will she had not at all playde the harlot but bycause that she was already naturally thervnto enclyned these procuremēts did serue hir as it were matches oyle wood throwne into the fire which would kindle nor slame neuer the sooner nor the more if it were not naturally enclyned and prompte therevnto In like sorte is man broughte to euill thorough his owne concupiscence the which being wakened and sturred vp by the diuell dothe the more declare it selfe and sheweth more plainely what his nature is wherfore thou séest here howe that man dothe continually sinne of his owne will and if he will saye that he hath bin constrayned to do any kind of worke the which he knoweth manifestly to be against the will of God it must be considered wherein he hath bin enforced and cōstrayned if he haue in any wise bin enforced by the force of others so that he could not be in any wise master of his members although he did resist it by all the meanes that he coulde and dyd declare by his wordes and actes that hys harte and will did in no wise consente thervnto he may be excused as an honest womā may that hath bin takē of force the which notwithstanding hath cried and resisted by all meanes possible against the whoremaster and hath bin as willing to lose hir life as hir chastitie but if thou doest an euill worke either to please men or else for feare that thou shouldest fall into their displeasure or indignation and receyue any dishonor or wordly hindrance thou maist in suche a case alledge none other constrainte but only that of thy wicked wil no more than Pilate might whē he condemned Iesus Christe enforced by the constrainte of the Iewes For if thou didst loue God with al thy harte and better than thy selfe and didst more estéeme his glory than thine owne and thy soule than thy body and the heauen more than thou doest the earth thou moughtest be frée from losing that whiche thou fearest to lose and shouldest not lose it at all but shouldest gaine it double For as Iesus Christ saith he that shall loose his life for my sake the same shall finde it and he that feareth