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A15697 The fore-runner of Bels dovvnefall wherin, is breifely answered his braggnig [sic] offer of disputation, and insolent late challenge: the particularties [sic] of the confutation of his bookes, shortly by goddes grace to be published, are mentioned: with à breife answere, to his crakinge and calumnious confutinge of papistes by papistes them selues: and lastly à taste. Giuen of his rare pretended sinceritye, with som few examples. Woodward, Philip, ca. 1557-1610.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name. 1605 (1605) STC 25972.5; ESTC S114156 24,220 62

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made him set a broach this shameles vntruth for otherwise he would neuer haue smothered the wordes followinge the witnesses of his false doctrine nor euer haue giuen a false glose and translation to those which he doth cite The truth is this Martin the fifth dispensed not with one to marry his owne naturall and full sister of the same father and the same mother as Belle ambleth in amplification and troteth alyinge pace with out all moderation but only to continue still with hir with whome he had married and with whom he had consummat matrimony notwithstandinge he had before his mariage committed fornication with hir naturall sister So that S. Anthonius speaketh not any one worde of the mans owne naturall sister but of his wife and hir naturall sister For proofe and perspicuitiee of this point let vs alleadge the Docters whole sentence It is founde saith he that Pope Martin the fifth did dispense with à certaine man who had contracted and consummated matrimony with a certaine naturall ssster of hir with whom he had comitted fornication yet with great difficulty and because the matter was secret and the man not fit for Religion or to remoue into any other contrie and so scandal would haue followed of the diuorce if it had beene made Let any that is desierous of truth by this one place take a scantlinge of Bells holie sinceritie Because he found S. Antonius to speake of a dispensation granted to one after he had married and consummate matrimony with hir whose sister before his marriage he had knowen carnallie and so a dispensation only in affinitie contracted by vnlawfull copulation for which the Minister had he bin consulted would rather haue laughed at him for his simple scrupulositie then thought it needfull to sue for any such fauour or grace which did nothinge fitt his purpose and therfore meaninge to make it in spight of all honestie to serue his turne he hath firste corrupted the sentence by false translation sainge with his natural sister in steede of these wordes with hir naturall sister or the naturall sister of hir and although euery one can not espie his cunninge conuayance because he suppressed the other parte of the sentente followinge yet is it apparant ynoughe to any Gramarian for were the latin as he turneth it then should it not be cum quadam eius germana but cum quadam sua germana But not only such as knowe latin but euen those also that haue any skill in pewter might haue espied the grosse vntruth had he cited the whole sentence as it is in Antonius before alloadged and therefore to healpe out a lye he ventured vpon corruption and chopt away all those wordes which might haue marred the market of this Geneua marchant For had one married his owne naturall sister as Bell not so confidently as impudently affirmeth then should it not haue bin truly said that he had committed fornication but incest a sinne distinct in nature and far more odious in the sight of god nether could the matter haue bin secret as Antonius saith it was nor yet the seperation scandalous but rather offensiue to haue suffered them to continue together in filthie pretensed matrimony To conclude therfore he had not dispensation in respect of his owne naturall sister but to remaine still in matrimony with that woman whose naturall sister he had before mariage carnally knowen Hauinge tolde so notorious a lie and holpen it out with foule falsification he could not containe him selfe but crie out in the seale of his soule Behoulde here gentle reader the excellencie of holie Poperie and if thou desierest more of such melodie thou mayest finde it in my booke of Mottues But may not I with far more reason desier him to note the basenes of his ministerial iniquitie that after such à shamefull prancke of lyinge and falsification setteth such a braue face on the matter as though he were innocent and no way to be touched And as for the melodie he speaketh of to giue him his iust deserts I cannot deny but that not only his Motiues but also his other bookes be full of such harmonie lyinge and corruption being the ordinary musick which this fidling minister scrapeth to those that daunce after his pipe And wheras he calleth this a sufficient antipast for all english Iesuites and Iesuited popelinges such is the modestie of this refined ropelinge we willinglie graunt it to be verie sufficient for all Catholikes and his deuoted dependants for vs to take him for a whetstoue docter and pollinge preacher for them to discarde him as being the shame disgrace and confusion of the new gospell and a corrupt member of their congregation II. PAg. 50. S. Austen quoth he proueth at lardge in sundrie places of his workes that voluntarie motions of concupiscence are sinne indeede and trulie so called In his first booke of Retractations he hath these wordes That which in infantes is called originall sinne when as yet they vse not free arbitrement of wil is not absurdly called voluntarie because beings contracted of the euil wil of the firste man it is become in sorte hereditarie It is not therefore false which I said sinne is an euil so voluntarie that it is no way sinne if it be not voluntary Whether Bell fathereth not a notable vntruth vpon S. Austen when he citeth these wordes of his to proue that voluntarie motions of concupiscence be sinne indeede and truly so called I reporte me to the wordes by him alleadged for no such thinge is in them to be found nay either my braines are not in good tune or els S. Austen proueth the cleane contrarie It is a constant doctrine with that holie father that sinne is voluntarie otherwise no sinne and for as much as some dout might be made of originall sinne because it seemeth wholy inuoluntarie he affirmeth also that sinne to be voluntarie and so concludeth generally all sinne to be so Marry a man of the ministers learninge may quicklie ouerthrowe vs with our owne Doctors if by that rare skill which he hath in lyinge when they say one thinge he can without all blushinge maintayne them to say the contrarie Let the reader peruse the sentence and speake his minde freelie III. PAg. 69. Disputinge againste the condigne meritts of workes he citeth this sentence of a Catholicke writer Iosephus Angles Eodem etiam modo c. As other holie Doctors also consideringe after the same maner the natural valew only of good woorkes and perceiuinge that it is exceedinge far distant from the valew and iust estimation of eternal life said wisely That our workes are not meritorious nor worthie of eternall life yet for the couenant and promise made vnto vs the good workes of man with the helpe of grace are worthy of eternal life and equall with it which for all that that promise of god which is frequent in scripture set aside were altogether vnworthie of so great a rewarde In theese wordes