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A net for the fishers of men and the same which Christ gave to His Apostles Wherein the points controverted betwixt Catholiques and sectaries, are briefly vindicated, by way of dilemma. By two gentlemen late converts.
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J. C., late convert.; J. M'C, late convert. aut
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Wing J5B; ESTC R221649
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Vindidated by solid Texts of Scripture 79. THe enjoyment of God Angels Saints and the Glory of Heaven rob men of their Knowledg or not if it doth you make our Celestial Life to be far inferiour to our Teresterial in matters of Knowledg if not why do you deny that Prophets now in Heaven can know things at a distance as well as they did on Earth 1. Kings 4.6 Eliseus by the special Light of Grace only saw what was done in the King of Syriah's Privy Chamber And again 2. Kings 5. And what passed betwixt his servant Geezi and Naaman when he was absent St. Peter likewise knew the sacriligious Act of Ananias and Saphira though acted privatly betwixt themselves 80. The damned Spirits of Hell know more then the blessed Soules in the glory of the Father or not if not why do you acknowledg the Devils to understand our most secret Thoughts and Prayers and not the Saints and Angels also if they do then you attribute more knowledg to them in Perdition than to the Immaculate Saints in the Eternal Bliss 81. The Angels of God have ever prayed for those on Earth or not if not why do you deny that of Zach. 1.12 The Angel of our Lord answered and said O Lord of Hosts how long will thou not have Mercy on Jerusasalem and the Cities of Juda if they have why do you not agree with us that the Angels pray for us 12. It is Lawful to pray to the Angels or not if it be then the invocation of Angels is not vain if not why do you accuse Jacob of an Error in invocating the Angel to bless his Children Gen. 48.16 and again Job 5.1 Call therefore saith Elisas to Job and turn thee to some of the Saints and again Hos 12.4 Jacob prevailed against the Angel and wept and prayed to him The worshiping of ANGELS and holy IMAGES Vindicated by the most solid Text of Scripture 83. WHen St. John in the Apoc. 22.8 fell down to adore before the feet of the Angel he knew it to be lawful or not if not then you condemn the most wise and excelent Prophet Apostle and Evangelist of gross Ignorance and wilful Idolatry if he did why was it lawful to him and not to us and again Gen. 19.1 when Lot adored the Angels with his Face bowed towards the Earth he committed Idolatry or not if not than the worship of Angels is lawful if he did than you accuse him of more than the Scriptures doth 84. All that which is recorded in holy Writ to have been done by the known Saints of God without Reproof is lawful or not if not why did the great Precursor of Christ St. John the Baptist worship the very Latchets of our Saviour's Shooes and again why did Jacob worship the top of Joseph's Rod Heb 11.21 if it be why do you call the worship of Images Idolatry 85. The Holy Veneration and worship of Images have profitted the Jews and Christians or not if not how then was the Israelites healed of the biting of the Serpents in the Desart And again how then did the Primitive Christians receive special Benefit by venerating the Shadow and Garments of St. Peter and Paul Acts 5.15 and 19.11 if it did then why not now also 86. Is it lawful to bow the Knee to Images or not if not why doth the Apostle say At the Name of Jesus every Knee shall bow Phil. 2.8 which Name is nothing but an Image of the hearing if it be why do you reject the Veneration of Sacred Images The Veneration of RELIQUES Vindicated by the most solid Texts of Scripture 87. THat Honour Veneration of the Reliques of Saints which God himself hath approved by many famous Miracles is good or not if not why doth God set his Seal of Miracles to confirm a Lye if it be why do yo condemn the Veneration of Reliques 88. That Woman which was miraculously cured of her bloody Flux by only touching the Hem of Christs Garment was cured either for venerating the Reliques or not if not but by Faith only why was not she cured at a distance without touching the Garment Matth. 19.21 22. If she was why do you slight the veneration of sacred Reliques 89. The Virtue of casting out Devils and curing the Diseased consisted in the Napkins and Handkerchiefs that had but touched the Body of St. Paul Acts 29.12 or not if not why did they not cure them without touching the Apostle if it did why do you deny the veneration of Reliques 90. The Bones of Dead Saints have restored Men to Life or not if not why do you deny the Miracle of Eleseus's Bones Kings 4.14 21. if they did then the Reliques and Bones of Saints are worthy of veneration FREE-WILL Vindicated by the most solid Texts of Scripture 91. GOd left Man to his own free-will or not if not why do you falsifie the Scripture Eccles 15. God from the beginning made Man and left him in the hand of his own Council if he did why do you deny Free-will 92. The choice of good and evil is left in Mans Free-wll or not if not why do you deny that of Joshua 24. Choice is given you choose this day that which pleaseth you and again Acts 7.15 You allways resist the Holy Ghost and again John 1.12 But as many as received him Christ he gave them power to be made the Sons of God If it be why do you deny Free-will 93. Man hath power to keep his Virgin or not if not why doth the Scriptures say 1 Cor. 7.37 He that hath determined in his heart not having necessity but having power of his own will to keep his Virgin doth well If he hath why do you deny-Free-will 94. All that God commands is in Mans Free-power or not if not why do you condemn God with Tyranny in commanding that which is not in Mans free-power to do as if I should threaten my Servant with a horrible Death for not bringing me the Man of the Moon if it be why do you deny Free-will FAITH without WORKS Vindicated to be of no effect by the most sold Texts of Holy Writ 96. FAith Working by Charity justifies or not if not why do you condemn that of Gall. 5.6 For in Christ Jesus neither Circumcision availeth nought nor prepuce but Faith working by Charity If it doth then your justifying Faith flies without Wings 97. A Man saying Lord Lord may be saved or not if not then where is your Justifying Faith if he may once more you confound the Scriptures Mat. 7.21 Not every one that says Lord Lord but he thâ—â— doth the will of my Father shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven 98 You hope to be saved by believing in God only without Works or not if not then your justifying Faith is vain if you do why but the damned Spirits may expect Salvation seeing they believe in God and tremble also The MERIT Of WORKS Vindicated by the most so-Texts of Scripture
A NET FOR THE Fishers of MEN And the same which Christ gave to his Apostles Wherein the Points contraverted betwixt Catholiques and Sectaries are briefly vindicated by way of Dilemma By two Gentlemen Late CONVERTS Mark 1.17 And Jesus said unto them come ye after me and I will make ye to become Fishers of Men. Printed Anno 1686. To Her Most Excellent Majesty Mary Queen of Great Britan. May it please your Sacred Majesty WHat in this little Book is contained being the Motives of of our Conversions to the amient Apostolical Catholique Roman Church we have made bold to Didicate it to Your Serene Majesty and also our Harts Blood and Life to the Service of your Royal Spouse Great James the Second We humbly beg Pardon for presuming to put the Products of so weak Brains under so Princely and Gracious a Patronage acknowledging a Matter of so great Moment not only far above our unlearned Capacities but that rather it required the Learning of St. Hierome the Eloquence of St. Chrisostome the Quick Witt of St. Augustine the Sobriety of St. Ambrose and sweet Stile of St. Barnard But Madam if favourably received by your Great Majesty our Adversaries who will undergo to answer it shall find that Children set upon the shoulders of so High Giants as the forementioned Pious Fathers were shall see farther into Heavenly Religion than he that proudly will not follow Scripture Councils nor Fathers but his own human Inventions and private Spirits after the creuel Example of the Tyrant Proclus who made Men of all Proportions fit the length of his Bed by cutting off him what was too long or by drawing him longer who was too short Most Sacred Madam what is promised if received into Your Majesties Protection which we most humbly beg may be the easier performed because the chast Spouse of the most High wanteth not a thousand Bucklers of Defence Again humbly beging Pardon for this Ambition of avowing our selves Your Majesties Most Humble Most Obedient and Most Loyal Subjects C. J. J. M'C TO THE READER SAcred Writ informs us that in the primitive Times our Blessed Saviour begining to lay the Foundation of his holy Church called Fishermen to the Apostleship and to those he gave a Net which was the Wisdom and Knowledg of the Eternal Father suitable for taking such Fish as swim in the Ocean of Apostacy Heresy and Schisme The Apostles after Experiencing the great good that did â—â—â—own'd to the World by the special benefit of this Net and the many Souls that were caught therein would not prejudice the Church 〈◊〉 robbing her of so â—agnificent a Gift â—ut bury'd the same in the Bowels of holy Scripture where we illuminated by the Father of Light finding so precious a Treasure though â—it to present it unto you Curteous Reader as a pledg of our affectionate Respects it being the only Motive of our Conversions hoping if perused with no more Passion prejudice or Interest then we did who had as great Aversion against the Catholique Church as you or any other can have that it may produce the same effects in your heart that it hath in ours If you acknowledg to be convinced in all Points saving these which we omitted for brevitys sake Viz. the unbloody Sacrafice of the Mass Communion under one kind the Works of Supererogation c. We hope to go Victorious out of the Field But if any will undertake to answer this little Treatise he shall not be the Instrument only of our Recantation but oâ— many more We with all Christian sincerity desire that if you can resolve the following Queries for to annex your Answer thereunto if not we Pray the devine Majesty of his infinite Mercy to iluminate you with the Beams of his holy and saving Grace which shall ever be the Prayers of your well Wishers in Christ Farewel C. I. J. M'C TO The Holy Wisdom of of the Glorious Trinity BLessed Everliving Wisdom Exellent and Supream Intelligence behold us prostrate before the Majesty of your Great and Divine Light to offer up the Hommage of our Persons and Book humbly acknowledging the Nothing both of the one and the other and with all the Powers of our Souls protesting to have neither Spirit nor Pen which is not of Yon and from You who are the Scource of all good Thoughts and Accomplishment of all Honourable and Praise-worthy Discourses A NET For the FISHERS of MEN. First GOD hath a true Church in the World or not if not then Christ left Man without a Medium to Salvation if he hath yours is that true Church or not if not than yours is not the true Christian Church if it be than your Church must have these following marks viz. Visibility Unity Universality and Sanctity which the Scriptures teacheth to be the Signes of Christ ' s Immaculate Spouse VISIBILITY Demonstrated to be a Mark of the true Church 2. THe House of our Lord shall be prepared on the top of Mountains or not if it be why then do you deny that the Church may be always visible if not why do you deny that of Isa 2.2 The Mountain of the house of our Lord shall be prepared on the top of Mountains 3. A City seated on a Hill can be hid or not if it can why do you deny that of St. Mat. 5 14. A City seated upon a Hill cannot be hid if not than the Church cannot be invisible 4. Christ founded a Church on Earth that all Nations may be edified therein or not if not why do you deny that of Isa 2.2 All Nations shall flow unto her 〈◊〉 again Psal 85.9 All Nations whatsoever thou hast made shall comâ— and adore before thee if he did why then do you say the Church may be invisible since all Nations cannot be edified in a Church unseen 5. A Man for not hearing the Church is tearmed in Scripture a Heathen and Publican or not if not why theâ— do you deny the worâ—â— of St. Mt. 18.18 He thâ—â— will not hear thee Church let him be to the as an Heathen and Publican if he be how than shall a Man be termed an Heathen for not hearing a Church that was not visible or yet extant in the World UNITY Demonstrated to be a mark of the True Church 6. A Natural Unity and conection or the parts among themsâ—lves and to the head is necessary for the conservation of the natural body or not if not how can a natural body subsist if the parts be devided and torn from one another from the head If it be why is that natural conection proper to a natural body and not a spiritual conection proper to a spritual body 7. Christ promised that there should be unity in his Church or not if not why do you deny that of St. John 10.16 there shall be made one folâ— and one Pasâ—oâ— if he did why do you deny unity 8. Unity is requisite in Gods Church or not if not why do you deny that of