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A38702 The defence of Iohn Etherington against Steven Denison and his witnesses their accusatons and depositions vvherein their whole proceedings and ground whereupon he was censured and committed to prison by the high commission court is in brief declared : which he having now opportunitie and speciall occasion also urging, thought needfull to publish. Etherington, John, fl. 1641-1645. 1641 (1641) Wing E3384; ESTC R7935 45,195 66

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Mr. Robrowgh doth or will deny himselfe to be one of these I dare then deny him to be one of Christ true Church notwithstanding he hath the office of a Curate in the outward state thereof And secondly whereas I stand charged in the sentence to have said that the Church of England teacheth false doctrine and upon the testimony of Susan Price onely a woman greatly devoted to Mr. Denison and an associate of Thomson and Rogers My answer is shee testifieth falsely unlesse the Church of England doth consist of Mr. Denison Mr. Robrowgh and some other of their corrupt humour as many such women and some men also as unwise as they doe conceive it doth and therefore dare sweare that whatsoever is spoken against them and their doctrine is spoken against the Church of England Their fourth Accusation That the said Etherington within the time aforesaid viz. since the 20th of December 1623. hath maintained and published that the Sabbath since the Apostles times was of no force and that every day is a Sabbath as well as that which wee call the Lords day or Sunday To this first position of the fourth Article Rowland Thomson Thomas Rogers Suzan Price Peter Worcester Heury Robrowgh doe depose and testifie The testimony of Thomson That he this deponent hath within the time articulate heard the said Etherington maintaine or publish that the Sabbath was of no force since the Apostles times and that every day is a Sabbath as much as that which wee call the Lords day or Sunday The testimony of Rogers He deposeth and saith that he the said Etherington hath within the time in this Article mentioned and since the 20 of December 1623. held and published that the Sabbath was of no force since the Apostles time and that every day is a Sabbath as much as that which we call the Lords day or Sunday The testimony of Suzan Price That shee this deponent doth certainly know that the articulate Etherington within the time articulate maintained and published that the Sabbath was of no force since the Apostles times The testimony of Worcester That he this deponent hath within these eight moneths last past before his examination heard the said Etherington maintaine that there is no day to be set apart for outward rest by vertue of any commandement The testimony of Robrough That the articulate Etherington hath of his deponent● knowledge within the time articulate held maintained and published that the Sabbath is of no force and that we are not now bound to keepe it by vertue of the fourth Commandement My answer and defence The words of Tomson Rogers and Susan Price which are the words contained in the Sentence I never spake in my life much lesse maintained or published as they depose nor yet the words of Henry Robrough but I doe hold the Sabbath to be in force according as I shall hereafter manifest and that the first day of the weeke is to be observed And as touching Worcester and his testimony for him he is a man that I was never conversant with onely I have beene in his company two or three times and the last time was as he saith and at the house of one Master Pike in East-cheape where hee the said Worcester with some other of Master Denisons favorites had occasioned me to meet them under pretence of friendship also and of making peace but being indeed another traine to intrap me This Worcester with some of his sociates then present were very importunate with me to reason with them concerning repentance and the Sabbath which I refused to doe being forewarned of their conspiracy and that this Worcester with others of them had given out threatning words tending to the taking away of my life one saying it is pitie that he liveth hee deserveth to be burned another I will never leave him till I make him fry and others to the like effect and because I held it not a thing fitting to make a controversie of this matter of the Sabbath which they most desired to have me speake of with them neither did I ever contend with any man about it untill Master Denison had begun to revile me in his Pulpits and charging me falsely in many things concerning it nor had I then but that I was drawn to it once through faire pretences also with one Master Cleaver at which time we seemed to part friends and not so disagreeing as there need to be any enmity between us for the difference So that I only told Worcester and the other with him my mind in few words but not in way of maintaining as he deposeth for the words it is like I did say thus or to this effect that if the fourth Commandement as it did concerne the outward bodily rest of the seventh day be abrogated as I thinke all the Christian Churches in the world doe hold it is then there is no Commandement in the word of God requiring the same outward bodily rest upon any other day instead thereof and this I say still yet not denying the observation of the first day of the weeke as I shall declare so that thus farre I deny not Worcesters testimony though otherwise and in other matters he is false like the rest But whence these two sworne brethren Thomson and Rogers whose testimonies because they so well agree are so oft the words of the Sentence Susan Price and Henry Robrough have had the words they depose I cannot tell neither doe themselves declare nor mention any time place or person to be present when I should publish and maintaine them as they speake and I am sure I never said to any man living that the Sabbath was of no force but doe hold that it is in force and the Commandement also according to the spirituall intent therof I meane by Sabbath the true and perfect rest of God which hee did rest the seventh day having finished all his workes therefore called his rest as hee saith If they shall enter into my rest And that it is here entred into of us and kept not through the Law by doing any kind of worke or works therein contained but through the promise eventhe the Gospell of Jesus Christ by beleeving as Saint Paul saith For wee which have beleeved doe enter into rest as h●e said as I have sworns in my wrath if they shall enter into my rest although saith he the workes were finished from the foundation of the world for hee spake in a certaine place of the seventh day on this wise And God did rest the seventh Day from all his workes and in this place againe If they shall enter into my rest Heb. 4. Where the Apostle declareth plainely that the rest of God which hee is said to rest the seventh day and this in David which the faithfull doe enter into is all one and the same rest and that it is preached unto us in the Gospell as it was to the Israelites in Davids time and in the wildernesse And
and strange poynts of doctrine and also to expound the holy Scriptures unto them and that he the said Etherington doth take upon him as a Teacher in matters of doctrine and is so generally reputed among his proselites and followers as he this deponent hath heard and beleeveth The deposition of Robrowgh To the first Article he deposeth and saith that he hath knowne the articulate Etherington for these foure or five yeares past or thereabout and knoweth that he for most part of the time articulate professed himselfe to be a man able to interpret the Scriptures and that to those which are not of his owne family or houshold because he hath opposed some Ministers of the Church of England in disputation which his writings between him and this deponent and likewise his printed bookes doe plainly shew and also because this deponent once meeting with him and his company to dispute of matters of Religion told him the said Etherington that he this deponent was exhorted by a Minister not to trouble himselfe in disputation with him whereupon the said Etherington replyed that the said Minister so spake it because he was afraid to contest with him the said Etherington These are the words as they stand recorded by the Register My answer and defence Here Mr. Denison and his Witnesses at their very first entrance doe plainly shew forth and discover their evill conspiring mindes against mee for it is well knowne which they could not be ignorant of neither if they were will it in this case excuse them that although I left the trade that I had used which they so often mention by the name of a Box-maker in scorne and der●sion as any man may well perceive though it may beseeme a poor Christian like my selfe well enough if it were meaner then it is yet did I not then or thereupon betake my selfe to the expounding or interpreting of the Scriptures as a teacher or instructer to many persons as they speake neither did I leave it for any such end nor to live or have any maintenance thenceforth for such a thing as they my accusers by their cunning Article and deceitfull testimonies would make the Court and the world beleeve but I betooke my selfe to another kinde of trade or worke as low and servile as it touching the conveyance of water in pipes that I made of earth which I had used seven or eight yeares before and had now necessary occasion requiring me to follow altogether by reason of a worke I had to do for the serving of the City of Westminster with water and not utterly leaving or forsaking the other as they depose but made use thereof also as need required in things concerning this which I have followed with much labour and paines night and day as well for the maintenance of my selfe my wife and children as for the good and benefit of others as all or most of the Inhabitants of Westminster and sundry other Gentlemen and Inhabitants of London and other parts of the Kingdome for whom I have done the same kinde of worke will testifie for me and wherein I should at this present time also be imployed for the supply of my own and my wife and childrens present wants and for the good of the Common-wealth if I were not through the envy of my for-mentioned enemies pleasure of the Court restrained by imprisonment for God doth know that as I hold it to be a more blessed thing to give then it is to receive as Christ hath said and St. Paul testifieth so I doe desire in my heart to give and doe service in that kinde to others rather then to receive of any Neither have I ever in my life taken upon me or any way assumed to my selfe the office name or place of a teacher or instructer over any people in any private conventicle or meeting whatsoever nor have so much as to imitate Ministers or teachers in any manner of forme gesture expounding or interpreting or to be as a chiefe leader or to have proselites or followers or a company as they my accusers charge me but doe utterly dislike all such bold presumptuous practices and have opposed and reproved them as some that know me well and things that I have writ can witnesse Neverthelesse this I confesse that not onely for five or six yeares past but for these five or six and thirty yeares since the time that it pleased God of his gracious goodnesse to call me from the pleasures of the sinnes of my youth to seeke him I have given my minde with earnest desire of my heart and prayer unto God to reade heare and understand the word of God to the end that understanding the truth and way of life conteined in the same I might walke therein all the dayes of my life to the honour of God and my owne comfort and salvation For I remembred that Christ commanded to search the Scriptures and foretelling of the abomination of desolation that was to come warneth his people that who so readeth should understand and how he doth pronounce them blessed that reade and heare the words of his prophecy and keepe those things which he hath spoken because the time of his comming is at hand and as God vouchsafed to shew his grace and mercies unto me and give me understanding in the same his truth and way of life so I have endeavoured to impart that which I understood with admonition to my wife and children neighbour and friend desiring in my heart and praying unto God in secret that he would vouchsafe the same grace unto them This I confesse I have done though in great weaknesse and so as holding it alwayes a speciall poynt of wisdome to be more ready in this respect to receive then to give to heare then to speake and I confesse I have not been in all this time of thirty-five yeares so conversant and sociable with the prophane multitude of the world as I have been with the sober and well disposed the wise in heart I have desired to converse with such especially above all other wheresoever I have come to talke and confer together of the word of God which wee have either heard or read or had in our hearts and memories edifying one another in the faith hope of eternall life This on the first day of the weeke and so daily as opportunitie might permit I confesse I have done in societie with such persons remembring the charge given by St. Paul to every Christian saying Take heed brethren least there be in any of you an evill heart of unbeliefe in departing from the living God but exhort one another daily while it is called to day least any of you be hardened through the deceitfulnesse of sinne And againe Let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good workes not forsaking the assembling of our selves together as the manner of some is but exhorting one another and so much the more as