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A38604 The civil right of tythes wherein, setting aside the higher plea of jus divinum from the equity of the Leviticall law, or that of nature for sacred services, and the certain apportioning of enough by the undoubted canon of the New Testament, the labourers of the Lords vineyard of the Church of England are estated in their quota pars of the tenth or tythe per legem terræ, by civil sanction or the law of the land ... / by C.E. ... Elderfield, Christopher, 1607-1652. 1650 (1650) Wing E326; ESTC R18717 336,364 362

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to the Glory of God since I received your paper you did affirm in the hearing of not few that God might at first have made an Angel or some other creature and by it have made all things How to reconcile one with the other is a thing unfeasible and therefore you must confess that you are not always infallible yea that sometimes you differ from your self and so 't is no wonder if you disagree with others But what shall I take from your present judgement Must your last words stand If so then you have weakned your cause and I may save a labour in returning an answer to that which follows in your paper If the former then you must recant what you last said and I must not here make an end of my Reply to your Major The truth is I honour Reason so much that I should rather prostrate my self to its shadow and appearance then to the best mans testimony and assertion wherefore I shall honour Reason so much as not to pass by without examination that which appears in your paper with Reasons dress on it Your Reason thus runs Now because Creation is a making of all things out of nothing and required an infinite power God can make use of no Instrument inasmuch as God cannot derive and give an infinite power to any creature because no creature is capable of such a Divine Attribute for it would make him God to be Almighty or to be infinite in power Answ I shall not answer to all in this Reason which seems not to be sound doctrine but only so far as the matter in hand requires 1. Though it be true that Gods infinite power was manifested in the work of Creation yet was not the Infinity of his Power manifested fully in that or any other work for he hath more power then ever yet he had need to use or then could in any work be fully declared 2. Your assertion plainly denies the man Christ Jesus to be God Almighty or Infinite in power for you say that God could not give or derive an infinite power to any creature and that a creature cannot be God Almighty c. The man Christ Jesus was a creature how then can that Person be God 3. The ground of your Argument is straw and stubble For infinite power may be manifested by them to whom 't is not communicated and so their proper power As is evident in those that wrought miracles and raised the dead in which infinite power was manifested and yet the instruments thereof were not in power infinite The like might be said of Gospel-Preachers whom God makes his Instruments in mens conversion as great a work as the worlds Creation The same might be said of Christ in his work of our Redemption But enough of this I shall now examine your Minor which was That all things were made by Iesus Christ. This is true Christ being excepted of whose Creatural being I have already spoken Obj. But you will say that in Iohn 1. 3. it is said That all things were made by him and without him was nothing Made that was Made Sol. The words are to be restrained to all those things which by the use of an instrument were made and created In the first verse of this Chapter the creation of Jesus Christ is included and in this third verse he is spoken of as the instrument of God in creating all things and therefore is here to be excepted As when John the Baptist speaking of Christ John 3. 32. said What he hath seen and heard that he testifieth and no man receiveth his testimony it is evident that Iohn was to be excepted Persons are sometimes segregated from others of the same kinde in way of eminency being chief amongst them Thus in Psal 18. 1. where 't is said that David sang that song when the Lord delivered him from the hand of all his enemies and from the hand of Saul What was Saul none of Davide enemies he was the chiefest and therefore segregated from the rest Thus having taken off the Charet wheels of your Argument the Conclusion cannot advance up by its assistance I Come now to Heb. Heb. 7. 3. 7. 3. I perceive you are willing to gather from this Text the Eternity of Iesus Christ Answ but on this tree grows no such fruit You say that Christ is here resembled in reference to his Eternity to Melchisedek without beginning of days or end of life Pray Sir was Melchisedek Eternal If so then he was God But he was neither the Father nor the Son nor the Holy Ghost whatever some have conceived I hope you will not allow a quaternity of Persons in Unity of Essence And therefore will allow that the words be taken in a figurative sense Quod non narratur ponitur quasi non sit Melchisedek was without beginning of days or end of life in that there is no mention made either of his birth or death in the History of Moses or especially in reference to his Priesthood the time of its beginning and ending being not certainly known So our High Priest Jesus Christ is without beginning of days or end of life YOur next Scripture is Prov. Prov. 8. 22. 8. 22. Answ The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way before his works of old I was set up from Everlasting from the Beginning or ever the Earth was The meaning is this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Sept. The Lord who is Possessour of Heaven and Earth obtained or created me when he began to work before all his ancient works And I was set up or anointed to have the dominion of all things and that from Everlasting that is from the Beginning before the Earth was The Septuagint have the words thus The Lord created me the beginning of his ways for his works Dominus acquisivit me principium viae suae ante opera ex tunc A saeculo principatum habui à capite ab initiis terrae Mont. He founded me in the Beginning before the Earth was made Montanus thus The Lord obtained me the beginning of his way before his works from thence I had dominion from Everlasting from the Beginning from the beginning of the Earth The thirtieth verse speaks of Christ as having a being before Gods works of old yet so as that it was created one THE Scripture which follows next in your Paper is Zach. Zach. 13. 7. 13. 7. Awake O Sword against my Shepheard against the man that is my fellow saith the Lord of Hosts Answ I suppose that you would infer hence the coequality of Jesus Christ with the Lord of Hosts whose words those are But doubtless when you drew up this Conclusion you hearkned to the sound not the sense of our English word Fellow which doth not always note equality as from Psalm 45. 7. and Heb. 1. 9. you may be informed where the Saints are called the Fellows of Christ from which none acquainted with Reason
age when it was hard to keep all from reclining and relapsing to flat Idolatry For they had lately worshipped stocks and stones and given the immediate issues of their soules in their thanks praise and All devotions to the works of their own hands 3 The names of sundry Idols here worshipped before the Gospel enlightened And as the Pagan Romans made theirs praeside over the daves of the week whence Dies Solis Dies Luna Mercurit Martis c. So here they called the dayes from them if not more and we yet retain the memoriall thereof in Sunday Moonday Tuisco●day or Tuesday Wodensday Thorsday Freaday Seaterday More appearance of truly evil then in some other things in jealousie branded for Idolatrous See Verstegan Antiq. pag. 10 11. pa 68 69 c. Tuisco Woden Thor Frea Seater 4 Herthus Suevorum Borealium Germanorum Dea perinde corum Anglorum qui cum Saxonibus Britanniam nostram applicantes nomen nostratibus reliquerunt Cultum immanitatem Deae refert Tacitus in Mor. Germ. Rendigni deinde Aviones Angli Varint in commune Hertum id est Terram matrem colunt camque intervenire rebus hominum invehi populis arbitrantur Stoneheng in Wilishire thought to have been a Temple to this Goddesse in plain English The Earth Vid. Spelm. Gloss pa 350 in Herthus Herthus Flint 5 Verstegan pa 79 80 Ermensewl 6 The Goddesse of Hunters and Falconers worshipped at Rihall in the edge of Rutlandshire near Stanford vid. Ca●●den Britan. in Rutlandshire Another place of note for like worship whereto was God ●●anham in Bede's time Godmundingham near Beverley in Yorkshire by the priest thereof Coyefi profaued and delivered over to Christian worship id pag 702 S. Pauls in London was dedicate to Diana some Houses adjoyning are called Dianaes Chambers yet The Church of Westminster to Apollo id in Middlesex God blesse u● I shal we ever live to fear the return of these Banished and forgotten Idols to their native homes Or the removall of what fast kept them out being banished give cause of that Fear Tibba 7 Or Oster a Goddesse giving denomination to the Month of April called by the Saxons Oster monat we yet retain the name of Easter thence hapning usually in that month Eoster and such other sometimes worshipped for Gods and Goddesses here whose names are now either almost happily forgotten or if remembred not very easie to be understood But it seems the Holy Christian Swithune joyned in with his formerly pupill now Lord and King to keep him close in him vertually and potentially All to the heavenly teaching of the Bible and that the doctrine thereof might continue they added this pillar of worldly maintenance the having a hand wherein might procure Swithune so reverend an estimation in Christians memories ever since according to the patern in the mount their guide Levi of the Old Testament To sustain and provide for the Preachers and Ministers thereof And God so blessed that as that gift has remained sacred and inviolable hitherto so by it the ministration and Ministers of sacred Christian Mysteries have had a subsistence ever since and endowed preachers been as so many Candlesticks then set up which resting on this pillar have held forth that light of heaven which yet we enjoy to this present day Future superstitions may have made unnecessary additions and the honour justly given to the memory of this good man for a work so gloriously deserving in the name and reputation of a Christian Saint have contracted after rust and blemish by the zealous ignorance of times and men who not content save to overdoe nor esteeming reverence any thing without worship and adoration thought the Saint not enough unlesse he were advanced higher to the name and reputation of a Divus or petty-God and so partaking now in nearnesse of kinde as well as name with his Soveraign must not wait any longer about the footsteps of the Throne but be lifted up to sit higher on some lower seats of honour with his maker which cast a blemish on the very Purity of heaven and as one said made the Christian world begin to be ashamed of nothing more then of her Saints which were indeed the honour and glory of the world But howsoever the work was gracious and glorious of wonderfull influence to the piety of all following times such as may speak it self accessory to much of the practised publick Worship that hath been exercised ever since to Christ his honour in our land and hardly to be parallelled by any act of equal dimensions save perhaps the contrary work of darknesse if mens covetousnesse should be so far hearkened to in with-drawing this support in order and preparation to the destruction of Religion it self and bringing Apostasie to that we had before Tythes were paid Tuisco Woden Thor Frea c. or if these be forgot taking up that is nearer hand and known the sensuall dreams of Mahomet though such 1 Which they may have from the Mosaical law Selden Hist of Tythes c. 3 sect ult Ioan. Baptista Alfaqui who had been a Mahometan priest sayes 't is one of the ●reat sins whereof the two inquisitour Angels examine souls after death Whether they have paid Tythes duly Paget Haeresiogr in the Postscript The dreadfull manner is set forth by M. P●rchas lib 3. cap. 12. p. 304. Edit 1614 worshippers pay their Tythes duly or indeed no one can foresee probably what And if these be not the dreames of some troubled minde but the sober and well-advised thoughts of one jealous for the honour of His God not the melancholick muses of some distempered fancy but the calm and well-composed serious consultations of one tenderly carefull and tremblingly fearfull about the honour of his beleeved Saviour and Redeemer prudently casting what may be yet providently fore-casting it may not be and yet but reasonably doubting too what is like to be grounded onely on rationall conjectures and accompanied with manly feares lest Christ his name should be wiped off from the earth His honour disparaged His worship undermined His faith destroyed and Himself forgotten where he hath been worshipped for a God It would then be thought on again and again by all those who pretending to worship Christ can think of undoing his Ministers and in or with love of the Master give themselves leave to doubt whether they may strip of their Own his Servants that doe his Publick work leaving Religion as naked as in the day she was born here to be covered by meer Charity of the Parish or provided for by some slack and slender weekly allowance And then which cannot come a worse mischief intrusting the Religion of the most High God and its stability to the tottering contributions of fickle Men who if they be of one minde to day may be of another to morrow what now they love then loathing and always esteeming their wealth dearly cannot but be