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A29331 A narrative of the proceedings of a great councel of Jews assembled in the plain of Ageda in Hungaria ... to examine the Scriptures concerning Christ, on the 12th of October 1650 / by Samuel Brett, there present ; also a relation of some other observations in his travels beyond the seas ... Brett, Samuel. 1655 (1655) Wing B4400; ESTC R19639 9,078 16

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the Assembly did first meet they spent some time in their mutual salutations and as their manner is they kiss'd one the other's cheek expressing much joy for their happy meeting and all things being provided for their accommodation they considered of the Iews that were to be admitted Members of this Councel and they were onely allowed to be Members which could by Record prove themselves to be native Iews and for defect herein I observed above five hundred refused though doubtless they were true-born Iews yet they could not by Record prove themselves so to be and for this they were not admitted to be Members of the Councel but they did abide without the Rail with the strangers that were there and the number of them that were accepted to be Members was about three hundred Iews And this was all that was done the first day On the second day the Assembly being full the Propounder stood up and made his speech concerning the end of their meeting And This said he is to examine the Scriptures concerning Christ whether he be already come or whether we are yet to expect his coming In examining this question they searched the old Testament with great care and labour to be resolved of the Truth thereof having many Bibles with them there for this end And about this Point there were great Disputes amongst them The major part were of Opinion That he was not come and some inclined to think that he was come being moved thereunto by their great Judgement that hath continued now this 1600 years upon them I remember very well one of the Councel in his conference with me seemed to be very apprehensive of the great and long desolation of their Nation ever since their destruction by the Roman Emperours and he imputed this their affiction to their impenitency and comparing their present Judgement with their other Judgements they had suffered before The same he ingenuously confessed that he did conceive it was for some great wickedness and that their Nation was guilty of the blood of the Prophets sent from God to their Nation and the many Massacres that had been committed by the several Sects and Factions amongst them For said he we are no Idolaters neither do I think we were guilty of Idolatry since our captivity in Babylon and therefore said he I do impute this our calamity and present judgement to the forenamed causes And this was the sum of that which was disputed amongst them the second day of their meeting and so they adjourned till the next morning which was the third day of their meeting When being assembled together again the point that was chiefly agitated was concerning the manner of Christ his coming And This some said shall be like a mighty Prince in the full power and authority of a King yea in greater power then ever any King had that he will deliver their Nation out of the power of their Enemies and their Temple shall be rebuilt again and that the Nations shall be of their Religion and worship God after their manner For they hold That the Messiah will not alter their Religion whensoever he cometh And further concerning his Parentage they did agree in this that he should be born of a Virgin according to the prediction of the Prophets and they agreed also that he may be born of such a Virgin which might be of mean note amongst their Nation as was the Virgin Mary And here some of them seemed to me to incline to think that Christ was come Therefore when they came together again the next day the Propounder demanded of them if Christ were already come and who they thought he was and to this demand they gave this answer That they thought Eliah was he if he were come because he came with great power which he declared by slaying the Priests of Baal and for the fulfilling of the Scripture he was oppressed by Ahab and Iezabel yet they esteemed him to be more then a mortal man because he so strangely ascended up into heaven And because this opinion was contradicted by others the day following they tooke into examination the same question to answer them that said Eliah was not the Messiah They of the contrary opinion did urge the care and love of Eliah for the good of their Nation in that he left them Elisha his disciple to teach and instruct the people which they expect to be the care of their Messiah These were the chief Arguments they had to defend their opinion and the same day towards night it came into question amongst them What he then was that said he was the son of God and was crucified by their Ancestors And because this was the great question amongst them they deferred the further consideration thereof untill the next day When meetting again the Pharisees for some of this Sect were amongst them that were always the enemies of Christ they first began to answer this last nights question and these by no meanes would yeeld that he was the Christ and these reasons they gave for their opinion First because said they he came into the world like an ordinary and inferior man not with his scepter nor Royal power wherewith they affirmed the coming of Christ should be Glorious 2. They pleaded against him the meanness of his birth in that his father was a Carpenter and this they said was a dishonor that Christ should not be capable of 3. They accused him to be an enemy to Moses law in suffering his disciples and in doing workes himself that were prohibited on the Sabbath day for they believe that the Messiah will punctually and exactly keep the law of Moses and where the Gospel doth testifie of Christ that he did fulfill the law they reject the Testimony thereof because they do not own the Gospel But I observed these reasons of the Pharisees did not satisfie all that heard them but there still remained some doubt in some of them concerning Christ for there stood up one Rabbie called Abraham and objected against the Pharisees the miracles that Christ wrought whil'st he was upon earth as his raising of the dead to life again his making the lame to walk the blind to see and the dumb to speake And the same Abraham demanded of the Pharisees by what power he did these Miracles The answer the Pharisees returned to him was to his purpose They said he was an Impostor and a Magitian and Blasphemously traduced him of doing all his Miracles by Magicke thus said they he first caused them to be blinde to be dumb to be lame and then by taking away his Magical Charme they were restored to their former condition Nevertheless this answer gave little Satisfaction to the said Abraham but thus he replyed that he could not charme those that were borne in that condition as blind c. and borne also before Christ himself was borne as it appeareth some of them were this seemed to him an absurd paradox and truely the