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B13489 An ansvver to the ten counter demands propounded by T. Drakes, Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the county of Essex. By Will. Euring Euring, William. 1619 (1619) STC 10567; ESTC S114521 22,154 48

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Gala. 6.1 2. with many other which I omit The materiall Temple which was but a tipe of this we read to be built from the very foundation of choise costly perfect stones the beames and rafters of choise Ceaders Algummim trees 1. King 5.17 Chap. 6.7 2. Chro. 2.8 Ezra 3.7.12 c. But of the incomparable beauty and unutterable excellency of this spirituall Temple under the holy ministry happy government of Christ it must be such as none may grow nor be planted there untill they be first cut off from their corrupt naturall stock where they grew before and then be grafted into the true oliue tree the true vine yea and being planted and ingrafted that plant that branch that bringeth not forth good fruit but bringeth forth evill fruit apparantly seene and known must be cut of and cast out Rom. 11.17.18.19.20.21 1. Cor. 6.11 Tit. 3.3 c. Rom. 6.4.5.6 c. Math. 3.10 and 7.19 and 15.13 Luk. 13.6 Ioh. 15.6 Math. 18.15.16.17 Rom. 16.17.18 1. Cor. 5.11.12.13 Now shew us your Church to be thus built and thus ordered according to the testament of Christ I doe not meane thus built in perfect maner but that every member of your Church in the plating thereof do in the best of mans discerning according to Godly iudgment in his or their measure hewen fitted and squared for the building before ●e be fastned there into for as the Apostle saith We which liue must no more liue unto our selues but unto the will of him that dyed for us and rose againe Ephe. 4.22.23.24 2 Cor. 5.15.17 1 Pet. 4.3 We must be new creatures for we are the workmanship of God created anew into Christ Iesus unto good works which God hath ordayned that we should walk in them Ephe. 2.10 When you haue proved and shewed us your Church thus framed fashioned and ordered then we wil take a view of those things which you say but you proue not to be therein so sound and substantially taught and administred But if you still boast of those good things in your Church and yet your Church it selfe be built of rough tree or rotten timber hay and stubble or of the thorns and bryers of the wildernes and with such dead or hard stones as cannot be hewen and squared and fastned into the building together according to the heavenly prtterne then is your Church a false Church and deceitfull notwithstanding all your sound and substantiall things therein which things although they be indeed both sound and substantiall of themselues yet will they not keep up your tottering building but in time it will fall and come to naught And this at this time shall serue for answer to your 7 and 8 Demands only thus much more because I would not haue you any more boast or go about to dasell our eyes with the sight of those things which you say are in your Church untill you haue shewed us the true forme and fashion of the building of your Church I will demand of you this one question When the Prophet Haggai chap. 1. reproved the Iewes for that Gods house was not builded among them would it haue been a sufficient answer for them thinke you Sir to haue said to the Prophet thus Wee haue costly and faire sound and substantiall seelings of the sweetest and purest wood costly carved and curiously wrought with many goodly and rich hangings cushings carpets and curtins with so many other costly and sumptuous ornaments and deckings yea all whatsoever according to the appointment of the law for Gods house as for the proportiō no Countrey in the world can afford the like Nay Sir admit they should also haue said thus And behold also we haue the foundation layd and we haue many expert and excellent builders all of them sound and learned workmen and for instruments also to hew and square the timber and stone we haue so good as non can be better of which timber and stones also we haue so great plenty and so excellent good with all other things necessary to finish the building as for proportiō no country in the world can afford the like therefore although the stones be neither layd nor squared nor the timber hewed fitted nor framed yet haue we the house of God well builded What think you Sir would this haue been a sufficient answer to haue satisfied the prophet if no consider then how little your vaine boast will stand you in stead in the day of your appearing search the Scriptures and you shall find there that every true visible Church of Christ must consist of a company of people be they many or few that are called out and separated from the froward generation of the world by the Gospell Iohn 15.19 17.6.9.11.14 c. Act. 2.40 2. Cor. 6.15 16.17.18 and ioyned or built together into a holy communion and fellowship among themselues Act. 2.41.44 Ephe. 2.13.19.20.22 all of them being in their measure beleevers pricked in their harts for their sinnes and now laboring together to continue in the Apostles doctrine Act. 2.27.42 Being thus coupled and knit together they are called in the Scripture the Temple of God 1. Cor. 3.16.17 the habitation of God Ephe. 2.22 the Church of God 1. Cor 1.2.2 Cor. 11. unto the which Church he daly addeth those that he will saue Act. 2.41.47 they are then called Saints Rom. 1.7 1. Cor. 1.2 they are called Holy Bretheren Heb. 3.1 they are called the body of Christ and members for their part of the whole building of God Consider what is said c. 2. Tim. 2.7 c. 9 Demand And now to your Counter-Demand which is Whether any new lawes can or ought to be made or inacted or any further reformation made without the christian Princes or Magistrats consent c. 9 Answer I Answer no. And I further ad that whatsoever subiects of what degree or state soever they be that shall go about either to inact any new lawes in the Kings Dominions or to reforme the order and state of the Kingdome contrary to that order which is already established without the consent and lawfull authority of the Prince Magistrate he is by the word of God iudged and condemned worthy of damnation Rom. 13.12 5.6 Rev. 12.18.19 And if for this his or their offence the Prince and Magistrats do put him or them to death as by their lawfull anthority they may it is no more then they haue iustly and worthily deserved for their evill doings The next word in this your 9 Demand are thus set downe and thus odly pointed or ever in a well ordered Church hath bin inacted or made and whether they haue done well to separate without the Kings Maiesties leaue and licence and consent of the state These your refined words as they be in this fashion set downe I doe not well vnderst and 2 therefore I will giue you no other answere then is already made in the former words desiring that this which is heere answered may be