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A64459 The Testimony of the Hartford Quakers for the man Christ Jesus vindicated from the malicious slanders, perversions, confusions, impertinencies and idle quibling of William Haworth an independent-preacher ... : with a brief and serious reply by Mary Stout to what concerns her in Christianity re-established, which ... John Crook and William Bayly have discovered ... unto which the substance of this tract will serve for an appendix. Stout, Mary, 17th cent. Mary Stout's reply to William Haworth's answer. 1676 (1676) Wing T819; ESTC R32759 41,433 58

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it so manifesteth thy own Ignorance in the Wayes and Working of the Spirit of God not understanding that the several Expressions of Christ relate to several States and Conditions that People are in and to know him as in one Manifestation is in order to another and although we believe the Light in every man is the Light of the Son of God and is Eternal yet it cannot be said t●at all that are enlightned do hear and know his Voice neither can it be said that all that know his Voice do know the Elect Seed born y●t there is no State so high to be attained unto but still his Voice is to be hearkned to and obeyed to be preserved in that State but Christ saith My Sheep hear my Voice and they follow me And he that will be my Disciple let him deny himself and take up his Cross daily and follow me And so it is those and only those that follow him in the denial of self whithersoever he goes that know the inward Washing and Regeneration till the new Birth is brought forth by the Immortal Word which lives and abides forever and this is the Elect Seed which is Heir of God's Kingdom Thou sayest Did not the Son of God come before this Doctrine came out of the North Answ Yes the Apostles were Witnesses of his Power and Coming and all that know he is come now must know it by the Operation of the same Power in them Thou sayest He is come implying there was a time when he was not come what dost thou mean this to be his first or second Coming Answ If thou didst effectually know his first Coming and the End thereof thou ne●dst not ask me what I mean for then thou wouldst wait for his second according to his Promise which is that I mean John 14. 3. 18. I go to prepare a Place for you I will come again and receive you to my self This he spake unto his Disciples which knew he was come yet he had many things to say unto them which then they could not bear for which Cause it was expedient for them that he should go away that so the Comforter might come the Spirit of Truth in which he would more fully and largely manifest himself to them then before he could do but they were first to know a time of weeping and lamenting and they had a spiritual Travail to go through And then I will see you again and your Hearts shall rejoyc● and your Joy no man taketh from you John 16. 21 22. Thou sayest Is the Light within the Elect Seed then it must be saved yet it goeth to Hell with many Answ I have told thee before what I understand the Elect Seed to be and the Light also and now how thou canst make such a Blasphemous Conclusion as this to beget a disesteem of the Light which is not fit to be mentioned is very strange to me that the Light goes to Hell with many whenas i● ever thou knowest Redemption from Hell the Light must be the Way and Means whereby the Lord doth bring it to pass Thou sayest We Quakers go the same Way with the Pharisees and thou knowest Christ is the Way believing in him and the Spirit can make this Way easie and short and the Work of the Law upon thy Conscience hath comp●lled th●e to this Way Answ The Spirit doth make the Way easie to all that obey it and are led thereby in the Way of Holiness in which the Unclean cannot walk and it gives Ease and Satisfaction to that Seed which hungers and thirsteth that Righteousness may be exalted which hath long been oppressed under the Egyptian Bondage of Sin God hath heard the Sighs and the Groanings thereof and is come down to deliver from under that heavy Yoke Glory to his Name forever but there is no Ease to the Rebellious Nature which is in Enmity against God that is still to be yoked till it be cut off and rooted out Branch and Root So what Way soever thou hast found out short of this it will end in Sorrow and Disappointment Thou sayest Following the D●ctates of Nature is not the Yoke of Christ for it leads to the Covenant of Works which is a heavy Yoke to work for Life and you are under it sayest thou Answ I know the Dictates of Nature is not the Yoke of Christ but that which teacheth to be meek and low in Heart and gives Rest to the Soul is and that yokes the first Nature which can dictate no good thing and brings to pa●take of the divine Nature and it doth not lead to the old Covenant to work for Life but to the new where the Lord doth not only command but gives Power to fulfil what he commands which is the great Benefit in the new Covenant for he never intended by making a new Covenant to make void his holy righteous Law as to his People but brings it nearer then before and writes it in their Hearts and puts his Spirit in their inward Parts and I will cause you to walk in my Statutes and ye shall keep my Judgments and do them Ezek. 36. 27. And so those that are led by his Spirit are not under the Law for they are led out of all those things which the Law was added because of those who are meek temperate and gentle against such there is no Law Gal. 5. 18 23. And although the same Work may be wrought which the Saints work yet not being led thereunto by the Spiri● of the Lord they are not accepted of and Christ did not find fault with the Pharisees fo● their outward Holines but because they were not inwardly so too and for omitting the great and weighty matters of the Law These things saith he you ought to have done and not to have left the other und●ne and they did it in their own Strength not submitting to the Leadings of his Spirit this Paul law to be their State after he knew the Son of God revealed in himself they being ignorant of Christ who is God's Righteousness went about to estab●ish their own and did not submit unto the Righteousness of God So he goes on and tells where he was to be found Say not in thy Heart who shall ascend or descend to fetch Christ but the Word is nigh in thy Heart and Mouth that thou may●st ●ear and do it and that was the word which they preached to be believed in Rom. 10. 8. and so he doth clearly distinguish between the Righteousness and Works which is accepted and that which is not as in Ephes 2. 9. By Grace you are saved not of Works lest any man should boast here he excludeth man's works for we are his Workma●sh●p created in Christ Jesus unto good Works which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them So here he includeth the Works wrought by and in the Spirit of Christ Now thou wanting the Key of Knowledge that which openeth the Understanding to know the
true meaning of Scriptures here thou art calling Evil Good and Good Evil and because the Scriptures declare of some Works which do not avail therefore thou concludest there are none available to Salvation although wrought by the Spirit of the Lord but that which thou callest Faith alone must save and all who assert the contrary they lead to the Covenant of Works and so to Popery to work for Life which is a heavy Yoke sayest thou Surely had the Apostle James been on Earth in our Dayes thou wouldst have noted him for a Papist when he saith Shew me thy Faith without thy Works and I will shew thee mine by my Works and wilt thou know O vain man that Faith without Works is dead even as the Body without the Spirit and by Works is Faith made perfect Well may we say as the Prophet David did It is time for thee O Lord to work for they have made void thy Law But thou art much mistaken in us for we work not of our selves for Life but the Life helpeth us worketh all our works in us and for us and his Yoke is easie and his Burden is light ●n be it known to thee God hath a People upon Earth at this Da● though thou knows them not unto whom it is become as ●n eat and Drink to do his Will and who can do nothing against the Truth but for it and their Obedience is not as Egyptian Slaves for Fear of a Whip page 91. of thy Book and so thou goest on and sayest although you Christians come not up to that Height the Law requires yet do not they love God more and obey better that apprehend God's Love in Christ Vnchangeable to them then they that after all their Toyl fear they may f●ll short But what doth that Love signifie that keeps not his Commands He that hath my Commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me saith Christ And he that loves the Lord with all his Heart and his Neighbour as himself fulfils the Law and if there be any other Command it is briefly comprehend●d in th●s Rom. 13. 9. Mat. 22. 40. for on these two hang all the Law and the Prophets for Love worketh no ill But according to your Love is your Obedience and according to that is your Assurance of God's Love to you for it seems you do but apprehend that his Love is unchangeable to you but the Assurance which God's People had in former Ages and in this also is another thing for his Spirit which acteth them in their Obedience to him the same bears witness with their Spirits that they are his Children Thou sayst It is sufficiently manifest there are Errors amongst us and we have been weighed and found too light and tryed and found Dr●ss Answ What hast thou weighed and tryed us with seeing thou dost not profess the Spirit to be thy Rule which is the just and equal Ballance The Spiritual Man or he that is led by it judgeth all things by yet himself is judged of none and nothing else is sufficient to try Spirits but the Spirit of Christ so we may be Gold weight enough too for ought thou knows and if thou sayst Thou hast tryed us by the Scriptures if th● Spirit be not thy Rule therein thou mayst fail for those that persecuted Christ to Death thought they tryed him by the Scripture when they condemned him as a Blasphemer and no question b●t they thought their Conceivings or Apprehensions from them were right else they would never have said His Blood be on us and our Children Thou sayest O that you were built upon Christ the Rock his Person is the Rock of Eternity not t●e Light in every man Answ We are built upon the Rock of which the Fathers drank For they drank of that spiritual Rock which followed them and that Rock was Christ 1 Cor. 10. 4. He who said Before Abraham was I am which was before all Time who in Time took upon him that prepared Body of Flesh wherein he did the Will of God this is the Rock of Eternity the Foundation upon which Abraham and all the Saints of old did build But thou wilt say Abraham saw he was to come and upon that he built 'T is true he saw his Day but what was that which gave him to see Christ was to come in the Flesh Was it not a Measure of his Spirit in Abraham by which he was q●ickened and made alive unto God Christ's own words do fully declare it Mat. 22. 32. by which he put the Saduc●s to silence which say There is no Resurrectio● I am the God of Abraham of Isaac and of Jacob now God saith he is not the God of the Dead but of the Living This is that first Resurrection in which he had a part over which the second Death shall have no Power Thou sayest We may hold out in a Day of Man's Persecution and Opposition but when the Tempestuous Sea of God's Justice beats upon us in an Hour of Death and in the Day of Judgment then the Sandy Foundation of our own Righteousness will fall and so thou bidst us Take heed that our Faith be the same with that which Peter professed wh●ch was that of the Person of Christ Answ That Faith which will carry through inable to hold out in the Patience in a day of Man's Persecution and Opposition is more likely to be the True Faith and to be upon the Right Foundation then that which will not but yours will not uphold you in a day of Man's Persecution and therefore is very unlikely to uphold you when God's Justice beats upon you in an Hour of Death and in a Day of Judgment to come Thou sayest Against which Faith of the Person of Christ all the Powers of Hell shall not prevail but our Profession is thou sayest that not Christ Jesus of Nazareth but the Light in every man is Christ and against this Faith we may be sure it being false the Gates of Hell will never prevail for Satan will never fight against it Answ That we profess Jesus of Nazareth is not the Christ is wholely false and although Satan will never fight against the False Faith yet he hath already fought and prevailed against those that are in it and he doth still prevail over them first to make them believe a Lye and then to keep them in that Belief which is That although Sin which he hath wrought in them do continue in them while they live yet they may be saved when they dye And that he doth fight against the true Faith which we are in is very evident also and stirs up all the Force and Power he can too although to little purpose else what meaneth and from whence cometh all that Opposition we have m●t with ever since we were a People unto this day for he knows that it strikes at the Root and Foundation of his kingdom which is Darkness and the works thereof and