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A48300 Something by way of testimony concerning Clement Lake of Crediton in Devonshire with something he wrote in his life time by way of answer unto John Flavell, independent preacher of Dartmouth. Lake, CLement, d. 1689.; Flavel, John, 1630?-1691. 1692 (1692) Wing L186; ESTC R32449 16,488 34

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must be Experienced or no entreing the Kingdom of Heaven John 3. 3. And we believe that for all those for whom the Blood of Christ maketh Satisfaction they know and Experience a purging of their Consciences from dead works to serve the living God and this a Remnant have found and can speak it to the Glory of our God 1 Pet. 1. 18 19. They know Redemption from a vain Conversation by the pretious Blood of Christ and I hope that this is also clear If Scripture will pass and I be believed that it is the Faith of those called Quakers As to the Second that They deny the Imputed Righteousness of Christ as the matter of Our Justification Before I answer this Question I would query my self what is ment by Our Whether it be all men universally without condition or quallification and so whether Christ did in the Body of his Flesh in his own Person all that was to be done for man or whether his work is not to be experimentally known in every man for the destruction of Sin and the work of Sanctification by all that shall have the benefit of his imputed Righteousness yea or nay For my part this is my Faith that he is a blessed Man to whom the Lord imputeth Righteousness and to whom the Lord will not Impute Sin Rom. 4. 6 7 8. But I believe also that those Souls that are in this Ble●ed State do know and Experience a work of Sanctification wrought in them and the destruction of Sin wrought for them and Redemption from Sin all wrought by the same Lord Jesus Christ for all those that believe in his Name and Power 1 Cor. 1. 30. And he was also made manifest for the destruction of the works of the Devil 1 John 3. 8. And where this work is wrought for man and in man the fruit of the Spirit is brought forth according to Gal. 5. 22. And this also is my Faith that they also know the old man to be Crucified that the Body of Sin may be destroyed that henceforth they may not serve Sin and so know a washing and a sanctifying before they know themselves to be Justified 1 Cor. 6. 11. And those shall have the Righteousness of Christ imputed to them Thirdly That they deny the Resurrection of the Body and its Partisipation of Glory with the Soul This is another false Charge we believe the Resurrection of the Body that the dead shall be raised up incorruptably 1 Cor. 15. 52. And we believe the Resurrection of the dead both of the Just and Unjust Acts 24. 15. And that those vile Bodys shall be made like to his Glorious Body Phil 3. 21. And we believe that all that are in the Grave shall come forth they that have done well to the Resurrection of Life and they that have done Evil to the Resurrection of Damnation John 5. 28. 29. And those that are guided by the Counsel of the Lord and follow it here shall be received up to Glory Psal. 73. 24 And that we shall be glorified to gather with the Lord Rom. 8. 17. 18. And we believe that those that follow Christ in the Regeneration deny themselves and take up the Cross shall Inherit Eternal Life Math. 19. 28 29. And we believe also that the end of those that are Enemies to the Cross of Christ will be destruction Phil. 3. 18 19. Fourthly That they lead Men to the Covenant of Works and Obedience to the Light within This is a Slander cast out of the Mouth of the old Dragon like a Flood to prejudice the World and spread by his Agents what ground Men have for this Charge I know not except it be for pressing People to the Mortification of Sin by the Power of the Lord denying of self Crucifying of the Flesh with the Affection and Lust thereof and tak●ng up the Cross and following of Christ who is our Way Truth and Life out of whom we believe there is no Salvation from Sin or Wrath No Name or Power given under Heaven whereby any Soul can be saved but Jesus Christ He is our all in all and man is nothing neither can do any thing as to his own Salvation for without him we can do nothing it is he that worketh both to will and to do of his own good Pleasure And to as many as receive him to them he giveth Power to become the Sons of God even to them that believe in his Name which Faith also is the Gift of God It would be thought hard measure from us if we should say that because no mention is made in all thy Letter of any thing that is to be wrought in man or done by man as a Quallification of those that shall partake of those benefits by Christ that therefore you do believe that Men may partake of them and yet do what they will and live as they list tho we have as great a ground for it as any have for charging us to lead Men to the Covenant of Works For the Second part of the Charge That they lead Men to Obedience to the Light within for Salvation This I will say that Rebellion is as the Sin of Witch-craft and Stubbernness is as Idolatry and that without Obedience there will be no eating the Fat of the promised Land And for the Light within so much despised by the dark Rabbies of the World this Light of Israel shall be for a Fire and his Holy One for a Flame that shall burn and devour the Thorns in one day Esa. 01. 17. And that we press Obedience to the Light within we own who is Jesus Christ the Light of Israel the Light of the World who is given to be a Covenant to the People and a Light to the Gentiles to open the Blind Eyes Esa. 42. 6 7. This was David's Light to his Feet and Lanthorn to his Paths Psa. 119. vers 115. And this word or Light or Jesus was in the beginning and in him was Life and the Life was the Light of men 1 John 8. And this beginning he is our Light and Life and he it is that expels the Darkness out of the Heart and those that are Obedient to him are called the Children of Light Ephes. 5. 8. And it is by this Jesus Christ who is the Wisdom and Power of God the Light that maketh manifest all things as they are that bringeth down every Imagination in man that exalteth it self against the Lord and bringeth every thought into Obedience to himself he it is that is the author of Eternal Life to all that obey him Hebrew 5. 8. and 1 Pet. 1. 2. And that he is within and dwelleth in the Saints we own it tho for owning it we are an Abomination to the Egyptians 2 Cor. 13. 5. Are not the Saints the Temple of God And doth he not dwell in his Temple And is it not in the Heart And is not the Heart within And is not his Throne there And is it not there he
Truth against the Soul-destroying Errors of Quakerism I am perswaded if the Principles of those Men were but truly understood and the consequence that necessarily flow from them known to you you would with as much Satisfaction chuse to dye a Martyr in opposition to that Error as the Christians of Queen Mary's Dayes did against Romish Idolitry give me leave to say plainly a Quaker cannot be a Christian I mean a Quaker that knoweth and defendeth the Principles of that party and I can confirm it as strongly as I assert it plainly and will do it for your sake by this Argument every part and Branch whereof I am fully satisfied in If Quakerism Subvert the Fundamental and Essential Articles of the Christian Religion then no Quaker that understands and professeth the Principles of Quakerism can be a Christian But it doth so as will presently appear For 1. They Deny the Existance of the Human Nature and Satisfaction of the Blood of Christ. 2. They Deny the Imputed Righteousness of Christ as the matter of our Justification 3. They Deny the Resurrection of the Body and its Partisipation of Glory with the Soul 4. They lead Men to the Covenant of Works and Obedience to the Light within for Salvation All these are there real Opinions let them dissemble and hide themselves never so Cunningly I can prove it out of their own wicked Pamphlets I have had it from there own Mouths and that often and to satisfie you of the truth of what I charge them if you will but conseal the Paper from them and ask any of their Leaders your self so as they apprehend not your design these Questions you shall find the Charge Just and Real against them take a fit Season and Demand thus 1. Are we Justified and Saved by that very Blood of Christ that was shed at Jerusalem or by some other means then by the Blood of the Man Christ Jesus 2. Is Jesus Christ now in Heaven in a true and real Body of Flesh and Blood Or is he not 3. Is the Active and Passive Obedience which Christ performed here on Earth in the dayes of his Flesh the matter of our Righteousness before God Or is it something in our selves 4. Shall these very Bodys of Flesh and Blood rise again at the last Day and be glorified with the Souls and remain Human Bodys still for Substance though glorified Bodys for qualities Or what shall become of them 5. Must we expect Salvation by believing in Christ for Righteousness and applying his Righteousness to our Souls by Faith or must we expect it by Obedience to the Light within us This being done discretly so as that they see you do for Satisfaction and not to intangle them I am confident you will find to your Sorrow that I have too Justly charged them with those Damnable Errors and then the Snare is broken and your Soul escaped But you must have a care of there deceitful Answers and hold them close to the words of each Question else they will hide the hook in general and plausable answers But it were better for you to converse on these points with sound and sollid Christians that know their Principles then trust your self amongst them but if you must I doubt not but by a discreet management you may have it from the Mouthes of their chief Leaders the Lord keep your Soul in his Truth remember there are damnable Errors 2 Peter 2. 5. as well as Practices Give me a few Lines that may rejoyce and comfort my Heart concerning you for my love to you makes me Jealous over you I Remain yours in Jesus Christ our Hope John Flavell Clement Lakes Answer to the foregoing Letter I Have considered thy Letter and the high Charges in it and to begin with the first First That they deny the Existans of the Humane Nature I shall as I said answer in Scripture Language and shall take heed of Philosophical words because I do not profess my self to be one I look on it as a Just and reasonable thing due from all men that all proposals of Questions to others about there Faith and Believe of the Scriptures should be in Scripture Language I do not remember that ever I read of the word Existaens or Humane in all the Scriptures of Truth I shall take heed according to the Apostle's advice of vain Philosophy and shall ground my Faith according to the Scriptures of Truth in all the matters on which my Salvation dependeth I believe that Christ is glorified with the Father with the same Glory he had before the World was according to John 17. 5. and 1 Tim. 3. 16. He is received up to Glory and that he shall come again in the Glory of his Father with his Angels Math. 16. 27. And that he is sitting on the right hand of Power Mark 14. 62. And that he ascended up far above all Heavens And that he is gone into Heaven and is on the Right Hand of God and that it is a Glorious Body Phil. 3. 21. And if this make me an Heretick for believing as the Scripture hath said I shall willingly bare thy Judgment For the Second part of it That they deny the Satisfaction of the Blood of Christ. This is a false Lying Slanderous Charge charge it who will for my part according to what I have heard and seen since acquainted with them of all the sorts of Professors that I have been conversant with I have not known any to have a greater Esteem for and put a greater value on the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ then those do that are thus charged and indeed it is no wonder that they thus value it seeing a remnant have experienced such unexpressable vertue from it and benefit by it As for my part I believe Salvation in no other and out of him there is none and I believe and know it is the Faith of those with whom I walk according to Acts 4. 12. And he is the Propitiation for our Sins 1 John 2. 2. And he hath purchased us with his own Blood Acts 20. 28. and Rom. 3. 25. and by him we have Remission of Sin and we are Justified by his Blood Rom. 5. 9. And by it we have Eternal Redemption Heb. 9. 12. 1 Pet. 1. 2. And if we walk in the Light as he is in the Light we have fellowship one with another and the Blood of Christ cleanseth us from all Sin And what the difference is between the walking in the Light that is so much derided and walking in Christ I know not but if we walk in him the Blood of Jesus Christ will cleanse us from all Sin John 7. 9. And I believe not only from the guilt but from the filth also verse 9. And I believe that Sanctification and Justification are inseparable I see but little mention made in thy Letter of the cleansing vertue of Christ's Blood or the work of Regeneration that must be wrought in man or the new Birth that