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A77969 Truth (the strongest of all) witnessed forth in the spirit of truth, against all deceit: and pleading in righteousnesse its owne cause, to the understanding of the simple, against a very great number of lyes, slanders, perverting of the Scriptures, contradictions and false damnable doctrines, held forth by the Independants. And in particular by one John Bunion, (one of Gogs Army) in two severall bookes put forth by him, against the despised scattered people called Quakers. And is a reply unto his second book, called A vindication, &c. wherein what was wanting in his former of fulfilling wickednesse is now appeared; by his adding sin unto sin, against God and against his owne soule. And this is to cleer the truth from above 100 of John Bunions foule dirty lyes and slanders: by a friend of the truth as it is in Christ Jesus; and not as it is in mens carnall apprehensions, Edward Burrough. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1657 (1657) Wing B6051; Thomason E910_3; ESTC R207500 55,009 70

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not know our fellow for boasting in that thou saist we cry up our selves and condemn all others c. But this is no proofe of the former accusation but an addition to thy former wickednesse let honest men consider I asked thee when thou did heare any of them boast or see them live in hipocrisy but not a word to this sober desire but adds sin to sin a bad way to cleare thy selfe and thy God be ashamed crying up selfe we deny but yet must say or else say falsly that we are of God and the whole world lyes in wickednesse and he that is of God heareth us and is one with us and this is as the Saints testified and is neither boasting nor hipocrisy then to my question which was will that faith which is without works justifie and thou saist no c Then I Reply what is thy condition and theirs who are not only without works of faith but in the very works of darknesse as lying and salfe accusing c. And seeing thou saist no Consider whether thou have faith and whether thy works which are like good workes proceed not from the unbeleiving ground and this I adde to my next I asked which thou hast passed by must not every one receive according to their deeds in the day of judgement and then thou runs out in high words against me in that I said if to talke of him Christ his birth blood c. Were faith in him and living by faith then few would want it and further I add the Pope himselfe would have it and my words are just and honest without exception or contradiction but only that something thou must needs say though thou say many can talk of Christ that will fall short of Heaven c. And askes me a question and saist is there not enough in them viz. birth blood c. to justifie c. I answer the knowledge of all things whatsoever without will not justifie except Christ be within and if he be within the power of his life blood birth c. is known and received and felt and in this I preach not any other Gospel then the Apostles who said say not who shall ascend or descend to fetch him Mark but it saith it the word of faith or of the Gospel which are not devided is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart and thou falsly againe charges the Quakers with corrupting and beguiling many by those Scriptures Reply Beguiling is thy owne and corrupting of Scriptures too as is proved and while thou accuses us falsly in these things thy selfe art proved truly guilty in the sight of all that are spirituall and as to thy charging me That the man Christ Jesus is not very pleasant to me And with Scoulding c. Thy slanders I beare with patience and thy reproaches which is not for evil but for Christs sake who dyed at Jerusalem and is revealed in me and for shame cease to say Thou art ruled by Scripture a lyer and slanderer and perverter of Scriptures is not led with the spirit that gave forth the Scripture but is ruled by the Devil and is out of Scripture rule then thou goes on and would justifie thy ignorant saying How are they deceived who owne Cbrist no otherwise then as he was before the world began c. And my * answer to it thou hast not touched nor truly contradicted which stands over thee and is sufficient to all honest people and Christ we owne the same yesterday to day and for ever and doth believe the father granted that request and he is glorified with the same glory that he had before the world was and though thou tell me of a double meaning yet in plainnesse I speake without doublenesse the fault is in thy weaknesse and sottishnesse and blindnesse of heart who knowes not that which is infinite and immortall and eternall the flesh of Christs body is so Then thou falsly charges me again in that I said if every spirit be of God which doth in words confesse thus viz. that Christ was with the father before the world was was borne and suffered in the flesh and was buried and raised c. then is not the Pope himselfe antichrist c. As in my 14. page which putting on a vaile and ventering upon thy words But I have spoken the truth herein let that in thy conscience answer in nakednesse without a vaile the vaile is on thy heart and thou cannot understand me and so this is thy simple policy to say the vaile is on me and what of that if I ventred on it it is but in the feare of God though I should say I deny all that thou saist or the speaking of any thing for I doe not own thy voice though some of thy words be true and though thou speake words of truth yet therefore I reprove thee and sometimes may not let it passe for truth for Christ is my example herein who reproved the Devils though they confessed him Mark that but the chiefe part of my words are passed over and read over again and see if it is not truth it selfe where I said it is not much better nor more accepted to confesse Christ in words to become and yet in works to deny him then it is both in words and works to deny him the one is wicked in prophanesse the other in hipocrisy the one is a lyar and the other a false witnesse and let the honest Judge then whereas I said Christ is a mystery and unto him he is light and shall be salvation where his person supposed sonne of Joseph never came which words are true not gain-saied by thee though thou aske Did he obtain salvation for any without that body which he took of the Virgin Answ. That body which was begotten by the holy Ghost is not so carnall as thou supposest and that spirituall Rock which followed them saved them and the same son of God the Saviour who was borne a Child to them was the Prince of peace yea the everlasting Father but thy eye sees not this and therefore thou saist Heer 's the place where he is not and the place where he hath not been Now thou saist Thou passes by many things which thou might justly examin and also many unseemly expressions O thou deceitfull heart ● and tongue is this thy excuse when my words are beyond thy reach either to understand or contradict thou wants that Spirit which can examine of truth be it knowne unto thee and what are those unseemly expressions wilt thou slander alwayes in secret without evidence and if these be they in that I said our innocency will speake when thy black vaile of lyes is taken away and this is truth and is no way but seemly to be spoken to thee who art an enemy of God then thou would justifie thy further slander who said we wrest that Scripture Jo. 1. 9. And my answer is we take it without adding or diminishing
Scripture and on God and on me and yet persists after a sober reproof and resists the reprover with opprobrious words let confusion of face cover thy impudent forehead while I forgive thee and seekes not vengeance against thee then through thy mistake of my words thou hast falsly gathered a subject to oppose and fights with thy own understanding mightily and thinkes thou confounds me and it s thy selfe for however thou understands my words either for want of wit or otherwise it never entred into my thoughts with charging thee to believe that Christ is a tipe only I charge thee that thou said so of others So that I thinke this is a mistake in thee for want of knowledge to understand my rehersall of thy words being transcribed at the shortest not to fill volumes and through thy owne misunderstanding of my laying downe the words thou heavily yet vainly charges me with corrupting thy words which God is my witnesse I have not done though thou be guilty herein But further I deale plainly and slanders not in secret as thou dost we doe not look on Christ to be but a shadow and tipe if thou affirme I shall answer further and as to that thou saist I say Jesus is the substance of that answer to I stand though thou say Thou doubts I doe not speake plainly c. Reply As I have said I seek not a proofe of my faith of thee nor any man nor doe I begg thy beliefe while I am approved in the sight of God herein I matter not what a lying spirit doubts of me so that what vain arguments or Queries thou raises from thy owne false doubt I passe by being by the present thing branching out in things on the by if I should examine every particular I might fill a vollume And whereas thou hast answered my question which is did Christ put an end to the law for them who yet live in the transgression of the law or doth he justifie that which the law condemns before the worke of the law be finished In thy answer thou saist Christ did put an end to the law for righteousnesse for all that the father hath given him This is little to the Question I say that transgressors of the law are not Christs but children of disobedience and children of wrath and such God hath not given to Christ who are his enemies nor Christ to them is not given but to condemne them in that estate and thou saist there is many given to Christ who yet lives in their sins the Apostle John saith he that sins is of the Devil and hath not known God and such as are of the Devill are not Christs and in that I said doth Christ justifie that which the law condemns before the worke of the law be finished and not one tittle of the law shall faile till all be fulfilled thou hast not reached the understanding of my words for while disobedience stands the transgressor lives the work of the law is not finished nor fulfilled but to that is condemnation and not justification if thou hast an ear thou maist heare for he that transgresseth the law is an enemy to Christ and Christ fulfills not the law for his enemies they must beare their own burthen and though this thou cannot understand now yet in the day of judgement shalt thou feele it and when the burthen of thy own iniquity is upon thee then shalt thou confesse to what I have said and read me in what now thou canst not understand and in the meane time I deny that Christ hath put an end to the law for thee who art a lyer and breaks one and so is guilty of all Many of thy words might be weighed and searched but I am no picker of quarrells but to my last Query thou saist little to the purpose which is what assurance have any that the law is fulfilled for them who are yet transgressors of it in themselves but saist Assurance comes through believing and obedience to the law is a fruit of believing c. Saying every one that hath the hope of the Son of God purifies himselfe as he Christ is pure Reply Then he that hath not the fruit viz. obedience to the law we may judge by the fruit or for want of fruit is no believer and he that is not purifyed as he is pure Christ hath not the hope of being the Son of God but is without hope now see where thou art why it breaks the law and is without thy owne noted fruit of believing neither is purifyed as he is pure and so is without hope this is according to thy own affirmation if thou cannot beare it blame thy selfe for laying downe such a position as hath proved thy selfe to be an unbeliever and without hope and so without God in the world one that is for condemnation and to be judged into the state where now thou stands And whereas thou saist I would lay assurance on obedience to the law thou lyest in this also my words are the law must be fulfilled in you by Christ in judgement and in righteousnesse if ever you receive salvation and these words are true against all thy opposition neither doe I affirme that by the deeds of the law any flesh living shall be justified but the contrary though thou would falsly yet secretly cast it upon me and wickedly calls this my frothy argument where I said the Law convinceth and is a School-master to bring to Christ c. But the froth proceeds out of thy mouth for this argument comprehends thee and stands out of thy reach for all thy detestable speeches against me and the truth and the rest of my following words thou hast passed by where I say who ownes not that which convinceth of sin how can they own him that takes it away by his blood and this is truth and tell me in justnesse according to my first Query in that page how is sin taken away from thee more then from the Pope seeing neither of you hath the fruit of ceasing to commit sin and art not thou in the froth who opposes me as though I should say yet never did nor thought that justification must be sought by the deeds of the Law and so gathers a false conception and fights with it and keeps thy self doing in 9 sheets against 4 and yet hath passed over many speciall things almost the chiefest and though no flesh shall be justified by the deeds of the law yet must all flesh living be condemned for the transgression of the law by Christ who freely gives life to all that believes if thou hast an eare thou may heare in the next thou seems or would at least to defend thy selfe from my charge which shall if it doth not ley heavie upon thee which is that I call thee slanderer and truly too from thy words where thou falsly accused the Quakers with boasting and hipocrisy and in thy answer thou saist I need not be offended for thou dost