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An apology of English Arminianisme or A dialogue betweene Iacobus Arminius, professour in the Vniuersity of Leyden in Holland; and Enthusiastus an English Doctour of Diuinity and a great precisian. Wherein are defended the doctrines of Arminius touching freewill, predestination, and reprobation: the said doctrines being mantained & taught by many of the most learned Protestants of England, at this present time. Written by O.N. heertofore of the Vniuersity of Oxford.; Apology of English Arminianisme.
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O. N., fl. 1634.
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which performeth his Penitency do neuertheles obtayne remission of his sinnes or not and Lastly I will conclude thiâ point with a demonstration for I ãâã terme it no lesse taken from the âxample of Dauid And to begin with the first sort we thus read z 1. Pet 1. Passe the tyme of your dwelling here in feare Agayne a Philip. 2. Worke your Saluation with feare and trembling And finally b Prou. 2. Blessed is that man who is euer fearefull But if a man be infallibly assured of his Iustification how can he be fearefull thereof To come to the second branch of Texts teaching That a man performing sorrow and being penitent for his Sinnes notwithstanding is not assured of the remission of his Sinnes Now according hereto we read c Acts 8. Re pent of thy wickednes and pray to God si forte remittatur tibi if chance it may be forgiuen thee In like sort it is said d ãâã 3. Who can tell if God will turne and pardon v. c. And the same words are in âoââ c. 2. And finally we further thus read e Dâniel 4. Perhaps God will pardon thine offences Now heere Enthusiastus I referâe euen to your iudgement and to the iudgment of all heere present whether this doubtfulnes of Romission of Sinnes and the former Admonition that we should not rest ouer secure of our Iustice both which points are prooued from the two former Classes of Scripture stand not wholy incompatible with our Aduersaries persumed infalliable certainty of their owne Iustification Enthusiastus I freely grant that these Texts do seeme to eneruate and weaken the doctrine of the certainty of Iustification But I pray you proceed to that example of the Prophet Dauid which aboue for it is conuincing you called a Demonstration Arminius Well I come to Dauid whose example is a sealing Argument closing vp this point and affordeth to vs a certainty of Truth touching the vncertainty of mans Iustification Thus then I vrge Yf Charity can be lost then fayth can be lost if Fayth can be lost then Iustification may be lost My first proposition is warranted by the doctrine of vs all f D. Fulke against the Rhem. Testament in 1. Cor. c. 3. sayth Fayth cannot be without Charity who teach that Charity doth as necessarily accompany a Iustifying fayth as heate doth the fyre That Charity may be lost is proued from the example of Dauid who killed Vrias seeing a voluntary pretended murther and such was that of Dauids is a meere priuation of Charity For how can we loue that man with true Charity whom we intend to murther and depriue of his life Now the Euangelist assureth vs that g 1. Iohn 3. Who loueth not his brother is not of God but abideth in death From hence then the vnauoydable resultancy is that Dauid in the murther of Vrias and during all the tyme before his repentance thereof was not of God but for the tyme abode in death and consequently neyther had Charity nor fayth for if he had fayth he had not abyded in death because it is written h 1. Iohn 3. By fayth the iust man liueth Enthusiastus I haue read some of our learned Brethren labouring to auoyd this Argument by answering that Dauids fayth was not lost in his murther of Vrias but only for the tyme slept And others doe affirme that Dauid when he committed murther and adultery i D. Fulke in the disputation in the Tower ann 1581. the second daves Conference was and remained the child of God did not fall from his fayth And another great man amoÌg vs affirmes that k Beza in respons ad Act. Colloq Montisbelgar part altera P. 73. at one and the samâ time Dauid sinned and sinned not Arminius Tush Enthusiastus all this is but â froath of words seruing only to blearâ the eyes of the ignorant but it is wholy dissolued with the least touch of a iudicious finger And to the first and second part of your Answere Either Dauid had fayth at the tyme of his murthering of Vrias or he had it not for no Medium can be giuen betweene these two Extremes Yf he had fayth how then could his fayth be said to sleepe Agayne the Nature of true fayth requireth that ââ should be euer l Galat. 5. Working with Charity and that without workes it is m Iacob â dead Yf Dauid hath not fayth at that time then is that grated which I demanded to wit that Dauid in the murther of Vrias lost his fayth and consequently was not assured of his Iustification Thus you see that this yours euasion is nothing els then a poore begging of the point as granted which is still in controuersy to wit that Dauid still kept his fayth at the tyme hââ killed Vrias Now to that other last kind of Answere to wit that at one and the same âyme Dauid sinned and sinned not I âuch wonder that it did euer fall from â learned mans pen so phantasticall âexplicable and indeed absurd it is But to proceed this Answere implies âhat Dauid sinned let it be in what âespect soeuer the Author of this Answere will haue Yf then Dauid sinned âhen Dauid by such his Sinne was the âeruant of sinne and of the Diuell for we reade that n Iohn 8. He that committeth âinne is the seruant of Sinne. And againe He that committeth Sinne is of the o 1. Iohn â Deuill And thus far touching this Demonstration Enthusiastus I grant indeed that this your Argument drawne from the example of Dauid is most strong and I now well âerceaue how sleightly my Answere âhereto was wouen vpon seuerall âreeds but all to illaqueate ensnare weake iudgment But Arminius you âauing now finished as I take it all our proofes for the disprouing of the certainty of mans Iustification ãâã Methode requireth that you ãâã take the like labour touching the ãâã prouing the certainty of ãâã though I cannot but grant ãâã the impugning of this later ãâã vertually inuolued in the ãâã of the firster For let vs once grant ãâã man resteth vncertayne of his ãâã it then ineuitably from thence ãâã be inferred as your selfe aboue did iâtimate that he also resteth vncertaââ of his Election and Predestination ãâã Iustification is a necessary Mediââ Election and Predestination for no ãâã are elected or predestinated by God ãâã such as are finally iustifyed Yet nââwithstanding this most necessary ââterueniency of these two points ãâã would willingly heare your particulââ proofes for the particular point of tââ vncertainty of Election oâ Predestinatiââ Arminius I will satisfy your desire ãâã first not to lose tyme I will keepâ ãâã former Methode in producing of ãâã proofes And therefore for the ãâã of Election and Predestinatiââ ãâã ââgin with Arguments drawne ârom Reason Of which my first Arâument is this The knowledge by Fayth of a mans present Iustice is more ãâã then the knowledge by fayth of eternall