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A49256 Short and plaine animadversions on some passages in Mr. Dels sermon first preached before the Honourable House of Commons on Novemb. 25. 1646. But since printed without their order Setting forth the many dangerous and destructive assertions therein both to church and state, the covenant, and the reformation so much desired. Together, with an answer to an unlicensed pamphlet annext to the sermon, entituled, A reply to Master Loves contradictions. By Christopher Love minister of Anne Aldersgate, London. The second edition. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford. Decemb. 17. 1646. Love, Christopher, 1618-1651. 1647 (1647) Wing L3175; ESTC R220429 46,782 54

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doth openly declare elswhere as if some in this age preacht that the government of the Church which hath power over mens estates bodies and lives belongs not to King nor Parliament but to the Ministers and their Elders Some indeed may preach it as Mr. Dell hath written it upon hear-say and so charge that on the Presbyterians what they never meant unlesse he names the men and proves the words I shall not beleeve that any of a Presbyterian judgement should preach thus read over all the Presbyterian Authors about Ecclesiasticall discipline they unanimously renounce that the government of the Church reaches to mens estates liberty and lives but that censures in those regards belong to the secular powers 3. That because Christ sent out his Disciples without power of swords States or Armies to propagate the Gospel it will not therefore follow that States should not employ their outward power to preserve the gospel in safety from open enemies without the Church and in truth from perverting Heretiques within the Church which is all that Presbyterians desire that Magistrates should doe Reader take notice that Mr. Dell in handling the third generall which was by what meanes Christ brought about this Reformation he gives an Orthodox answer that 't is brought about by the Word and Spirit Serm. p. 14. but yet in the explicating and amplifying of these two meanes hee hath very harsh and unsavoury passages against the morall Law which makes mee suspect him to be tainted with the Antinomian errour I 'll gather up his own words scattered up and downe his booke as in pag. 17. lin. 23. hee saith The word by which the Church is Reformed is not the word of the Law for the Law made nothing perfect but the word of the Gospel this this is the onely-word that workes Reformation by which it seemes to mee hee excludes the Law from being any way instrumentall for the converting and reforming of a sinner Then observe further in pag. 18. lin. 5. hee saith to the same effect That the word whereby Christ Reformes is not the word without us as the word of the Law is but the word within us Then in pag. 19. lin. 3. hee saith That the word of the Gospel is the onely reforming word and if there bee never so much preaching if it bee but legall it will Reforme no body aright Now what he meanes by legall preaching I cannot tell for my part I account that onely to bee legall preathing either to cry up the observation of the ceremoniall Law or to preach justification by the workes of the morall Law besides this I know not what is legall preaching Surely Mr. Dell hath not such cause to taxe the godly Ministers of this Kingdome to be legall Preachers for who goes about to set up the ceremoniall Law for the observation thereof or the morall Law to get justification thereby I know none but if Mr. Dell meanes that to preach the duties of the morall Law or the matter contained in the Law which to mee seemes to bee his sense that this cannot bee instrumentall to reforme the heart in this I am against him and the Scriptures also gain-say him touching this matter When the Levites read the Law and expounded it the people wept very sore Nehem. 8.8 9. A good evidence of the Reformation of some among them besides the preaching of the Prophets was but an expatiating and explicating the duties commanded in the Law of Moses and shall we imagine that none were reformed by that way of preaching besides to what end doth Christ himselfe expound and presse the Law Mat. 5. and the Apostles after him urge the duties of the Law Eph. 6.1 2. Iames 2.8.10 11. If preaching the duties of the morall Law or the matter contained in it could be no wayes instrumentall to reforme the hearts of men I have herein beene too large I shall onely mention one unsavoury passage more about the Law then proceed to what else may be justly excepted against 'T is in page 19. lin. 14. In the Law there was letter without the spirit and so that could doe nothing but in the Gospell the word and the spirit are alwayes joyned together Here hee falls into the Socinian Error againe as if the Spirit did not accompany the Ministery of Moses as if there was in the Law onely the letter without the Spirit whereas indeed the efficacy of the Spirit was as Really operative then as now though not so abundantly Doth not the Scripture assure us that the Spirit did accompany the Ministery of the Prophets and did not Christ by his Spirit preach unto the Old World in the Ministery of Noah How then dares Master Dell affirme that in the law there was letter without the Spirit But then observe he runs into another error that in the Gospell the Word and Spirit are alwayes joyned If this were true then certainly none could perish that heare the Gospel which would be neare of Kin to Origens opinion that all shall bee saved yea by this t is manifest that in the Gospel the Word and Spirit are not alwayes joyned together in that the Gospel becomes a blocke of offence to some and a savour of death unto death 2 Cor. 2.16 which could not be if in the Gospel the Word and Spirit were alwayes joyned together Object Yea but I hope you will allow Secular power too may not the spirituall Church of Christ bee reformed with Worldly and Secular power I answer by no meanes and that for these causes So it is printed but it was preacht thus I answer by no meanes and what I say I shall make good out of the Gospel if it offend any wee cannot helpe that the word of God should bee a stone of stumbling and rocke of offence All these words are left out in the printed Copy and what should be the reason thereof Oh that the omission of these words did arise from a suspicion of the invalidity and impertinency of his proofes for what he intends if this did abate his confidence in the Presse from what it was in the Pulpit I should in time hope that he would with Augustine write a booke of Retractations and reclaime his dangerous opinions I am not in despaire as touching this for hee hath turned from Episcopacy to Independency and now for Anarchy and who knows whether he may not turne for Presbytery in the end which is my earnest desire to God for him since I heard and read what opinions he holds There is one thing more I might inquire into What reason Mr. Dell had to use those words as a Prologue to what hee was to say If it offend any we cannot helpe that the Word of God should be a stone of stumbling and rocke of offence If hee intended onely that Magistrates cannot reforme the heart that is Christs worke alone I doe not thinke there was one in the Congregation that would bee or could bee offended at that