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A64459 The Testimony of the Hartford Quakers for the man Christ Jesus vindicated from the malicious slanders, perversions, confusions, impertinencies and idle quibling of William Haworth an independent-preacher ... : with a brief and serious reply by Mary Stout to what concerns her in Christianity re-established, which ... John Crook and William Bayly have discovered ... unto which the substance of this tract will serve for an appendix. Stout, Mary, 17th cent. Mary Stout's reply to William Haworth's answer. 1676 (1676) Wing T819; ESTC R32759 41,433 58

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Pages of ours wherein those words are asserted by the Quakers as their Opinion or forever stop his Mouth and be ashamed of Reviling and Abusing us as he hath done We doubt not but the Righteous God will rebuke his Malicious Envious Lying Spirit and manifestly abase him for his Perverting the Truth and Belying and Reviling the Servants of Christ as he has frequently done in his Writings Here follows a brief Collection of William Haworth 's Doctrines about which the Controversie between him and us Chiefly hath depended 1. OF the Body of Christ in Heaven That it is a Humane Natural Body of an Earthly Substance having the same Materiality Form and Figure and Shape ESSENTIAL to it that it had when here upon Earth Anim. p. 10 11. 7. 16. compared with Antid p. 6. Contrary to Phil. 3. 21. 1 Cor. 15. 44 45 46 47 48. 2. Yet in Contradiction That it is a very Glorious Body more bright then a Thousand Suns gloriously represented and painted out to us by Daniel and John in the Revelation 3. That Steven saw the Heavens opened and the Body of Christ yea Christ Iesus on the Right Hand of God with his Bodily or Carnal Eye from Acts 7. 55 56. See also Antid p. 6 12. compared with Animad p. 14 15. 4. That the Man Christ Iesus is not here on Earth as to his Spirit nor is or may his Soul or Spirit be so much as extended to the Saints upon Earth Antid p. 2 3. compared with Anim. p. 10. Yet in Contradiction to this by his own Expressions CHRIST hath alwayes been present with his Disciples in the Discharge of their Ministerial Gifts and will be to the End of the World by his Spirit The Vnion between Christ and his Church is mystical and spiritual not corporal and carnal as there is one Soul throughout the natural Body of Man the same in the Head and in every Member so one Spirit in Iesus Christ the Mystical Head and in every one of his Members the Saints 1 Cor. 6. 17. Animad p. 9. Christ is present BY HIS SPIRIT IN his Saints p. 30. And whoever hath not the Son hath not the Father p. 26. Note If he knew what he saith and were real in his Confession so as not to vary from it the Controversie in this would be at an End since Christ is confessed by both of us to be God and Man But further observe W. Haworth's Doctrines 5. That Infants are not Innocents but have the Guilt of Adam's Sin upon them pag. 21. Contrary to Ezek. 18. 20. Chap. 18. 15. Mat. 18. 3. 19. 14. Mark 10. 14. 6. That the Light within every one is nothing but Nature which is corrupt We are by Nature Children of Wrath p. 21. But in plain Contradiction This Light within is the Law of Moses written in the Heart that the Apostle he 's sure calls it Nature Rom. 2. 14. But now to Mark. come off how miserably soever he saith The Law of Moses in the Heart is the Work of the Law p. 22. Query But we ask were those Gentiles who did by Nature those things contained in the Law Children of Wrath by the Work of the Law in their Hearts contrary to plain Scripture Psal 19. 7. Rom. 2. 13 14. Now risum teneatis amici 7. That the Apostle saith of these Gentiles that had done by Nature the Things contained in the Law and had the Works of the Law written in their Hearts notwithstanding this they were unrighteous Sinners guilty c. as a natural Man doing Part of the Law by the meer Strength of Nature is nothing but Sin is a Child of Wrath in a damnable Condition no right Principle from whence he acts not a Dram of true Faith in Jesus Christ p. 22. Query What then was it or could it be corrupt sinful Nature by which those Gentiles mentioned Rom. 2. 14 15. did those things contained in the Law and were justified 8. That W. H. and his Brethren cannot dare not must not admit of any Thing no not so much as our Faith though it 's wrought in us by the Spirit into that Righteousness that justifies us in God's Sight p. 23. Contrary to plain Scripture Rom. 5. 1. 1 Cor. 6. 11. 9. He questions whether there be any Works done by the Spirit upon any of the Sons of Men except Christ but there still remains a Body of Sin in them Intimating that a Body of Sin still remains in them all Christ excepted Contrary to Rom. 6. 7. ver 18. Col. 2. 11. And contrary to his own Confessions viz. God works upon us by his Spirit to renew our evil Natures after his own Image p. 24. We confess that the Deity PERFECTS all Good in us c. p. 28. 10. That we are not justified by Works done in the Spirit as Abraham 's Works David 's Works c. p. 26. Contrary to Jam. 2. 21 24. 11. That David describes the Blessedness of the Ma● unto whom God imputeth Righteousness without Works DONE BY THE SPIRIT Antid p. 18. Contrary to Psal 32. 2. 12. That Isaiah calls HIS observing Moses 's Law in THE SPIRIT filthy Rags in that Place Isa 64. 3. p. ibid. 13. That Paul 's delighting in the Law of God after the inward Man which was to keep it in THE SPIRIT he counted Loss for Christ when converted to Christ and this but his own Righteousness on Phil. 3. p. ibid. 14. To the Question Is it good Doctrine to say that Paul when a Christian counted his spiritual Obedience Loss and Dung for Christ W. Haworth answers ‖ This is the Man that pretends highly to esteem value the inward Work of the holy Spirit in the Hearts of Saints and his Renewings Comfortings Quickning● c. p. 22. Yes very good sound blessed and comfortable Doctrine received by Millions of Saints in Heaven and Earth he addeth in Point of Justification Animad p. 27. Contrary to Rom. 8. 13. 6. 16. 16. 26. 2 Cor. 10. 5. 1 Pet. 1. 2. 14. 22. Heb. 5. 9. Acts 5. 32. Jer. 7. 23. Isaiah 1. 19. Deutr. 30. 14. Rom. 10. 8. 15. We are not justified by any Righteousness of ours done in the Spirit this he calls the Deeds of the Law contrary to Rom. 8. 1 2. 16. That our own Righteousness that which the Apostle Paul calls his own in Phil. 3. 9. is within us Inherint in our Souls it CONSITS in those Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds and we express those outwardly c. His proof for this Doctrine is viz. Faith is called your Faith Love is called your Love c. The Spirit works Faith in us See his Quaker Converted Epistle Dedicatory Observe See what an exposition is here made upon Paul's words about his own Righteousness which he desired not to have but counted it loss for Christ How horribly has this Man perverted this Scripture Phil. 3. 9. Those Gifts and
true meaning of Scriptures here thou art calling Evil Good and Good Evil and because the Scriptures declare of some Works which do not avail therefore thou concludest there are none available to Salvation although wrought by the Spirit of the Lord but that which thou callest Faith alone must save and all who assert the contrary they lead to the Covenant of Works and so to Popery to work for Life which is a heavy Yoke sayest thou Surely had the Apostle James been on Earth in our Dayes thou wouldst have noted him for a Papist when he saith Shew me thy Faith without thy Works and I will shew thee mine by my Works and wilt thou know O vain man that Faith without Works is dead even as the Body without the Spirit and by Works is Faith made perfect Well may we say as the Prophet David did It is time for thee O Lord to work for they have made void thy Law But thou art much mistaken in us for we work not of our selves for Life but the Life helpeth us worketh all our works in us and for us and his Yoke is easie and his Burden is light ●n be it known to thee God hath a People upon Earth at this Da● though thou knows them not unto whom it is become as ●n eat and Drink to do his Will and who can do nothing against the Truth but for it and their Obedience is not as Egyptian Slaves for Fear of a Whip page 91. of thy Book and so thou goest on and sayest although you Christians come not up to that Height the Law requires yet do not they love God more and obey better that apprehend God's Love in Christ Vnchangeable to them then they that after all their Toyl fear they may f●ll short But what doth that Love signifie that keeps not his Commands He that hath my Commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth me saith Christ And he that loves the Lord with all his Heart and his Neighbour as himself fulfils the Law and if there be any other Command it is briefly comprehend●d in th●s Rom. 13. 9. Mat. 22. 40. for on these two hang all the Law and the Prophets for Love worketh no ill But according to your Love is your Obedience and according to that is your Assurance of God's Love to you for it seems you do but apprehend that his Love is unchangeable to you but the Assurance which God's People had in former Ages and in this also is another thing for his Spirit which acteth them in their Obedience to him the same bears witness with their Spirits that they are his Children Thou sayst It is sufficiently manifest there are Errors amongst us and we have been weighed and found too light and tryed and found Dr●ss Answ What hast thou weighed and tryed us with seeing thou dost not profess the Spirit to be thy Rule which is the just and equal Ballance The Spiritual Man or he that is led by it judgeth all things by yet himself is judged of none and nothing else is sufficient to try Spirits but the Spirit of Christ so we may be Gold weight enough too for ought thou knows and if thou sayst Thou hast tryed us by the Scriptures if th● Spirit be not thy Rule therein thou mayst fail for those that persecuted Christ to Death thought they tryed him by the Scripture when they condemned him as a Blasphemer and no question b●t they thought their Conceivings or Apprehensions from them were right else they would never have said His Blood be on us and our Children Thou sayest O that you were built upon Christ the Rock his Person is the Rock of Eternity not t●e Light in every man Answ We are built upon the Rock of which the Fathers drank For they drank of that spiritual Rock which followed them and that Rock was Christ 1 Cor. 10. 4. He who said Before Abraham was I am which was before all Time who in Time took upon him that prepared Body of Flesh wherein he did the Will of God this is the Rock of Eternity the Foundation upon which Abraham and all the Saints of old did build But thou wilt say Abraham saw he was to come and upon that he built 'T is true he saw his Day but what was that which gave him to see Christ was to come in the Flesh Was it not a Measure of his Spirit in Abraham by which he was q●ickened and made alive unto God Christ's own words do fully declare it Mat. 22. 32. by which he put the Saduc●s to silence which say There is no Resurrectio● I am the God of Abraham of Isaac and of Jacob now God saith he is not the God of the Dead but of the Living This is that first Resurrection in which he had a part over which the second Death shall have no Power Thou sayest We may hold out in a Day of Man's Persecution and Opposition but when the Tempestuous Sea of God's Justice beats upon us in an Hour of Death and in the Day of Judgment then the Sandy Foundation of our own Righteousness will fall and so thou bidst us Take heed that our Faith be the same with that which Peter professed wh●ch was that of the Person of Christ Answ That Faith which will carry through inable to hold out in the Patience in a day of Man's Persecution and Opposition is more likely to be the True Faith and to be upon the Right Foundation then that which will not but yours will not uphold you in a day of Man's Persecution and therefore is very unlikely to uphold you when God's Justice beats upon you in an Hour of Death and in a Day of Judgment to come Thou sayest Against which Faith of the Person of Christ all the Powers of Hell shall not prevail but our Profession is thou sayest that not Christ Jesus of Nazareth but the Light in every man is Christ and against this Faith we may be sure it being false the Gates of Hell will never prevail for Satan will never fight against it Answ That we profess Jesus of Nazareth is not the Christ is wholely false and although Satan will never fight against the False Faith yet he hath already fought and prevailed against those that are in it and he doth still prevail over them first to make them believe a Lye and then to keep them in that Belief which is That although Sin which he hath wrought in them do continue in them while they live yet they may be saved when they dye And that he doth fight against the true Faith which we are in is very evident also and stirs up all the Force and Power he can too although to little purpose else what meaneth and from whence cometh all that Opposition we have m●t with ever since we were a People unto this day for he knows that it strikes at the Root and Foundation of his kingdom which is Darkness and the works thereof and
Vertues of the Spirit of God in Paul as Faith Love c. Could he part with these and count them loss for Christ when he had gained them by Christ And W. H. acknowledgeth That it is Regeneration that makes us meet for the Kingdom See how he is confounded 17. That that Righteousness of Faith by which we are justified is wholy without us in the person of Christ Quak. con Epist Contrary to Isa 26. 12. Rom. 8. 1 2 4. and 10 6 7. 18. Regeneration is to be distinguished from Justification as the Cause from the Effect Justification the cause of Regeneration Animad p. 27. Note As if men were justified in an Unregenerate state contrary to 1 Cor. 6. 11. Tit. 3. 5 6 7. 19. What he calls the personal Righteousness of Christ upon which only he placeth the Justification Imputation and merit of God's Kingdom he explains viz. That is only by the BLOOD-SHEDING of Jesus Christ Anim. p. 27. Note This SHEDING of Christ's Blood then has he preferred above the Vertues and work of his Spirit in us And whose act was the SHEDING of his Blood pray you Was it not his Persecutors Whereas it was by the eternal Spirit in him that HE OFFERED up himself a Lamb without spot to God So that his Offering up himself was Act of obedience proceeding from the inherent Righteousness and Holiness which dwelt in him 20. Of Satisfaction A Vengeance ready to punish Sin This is as dear to HIM i. e. God as his mercy IT being HIMSELF it must therefore be satisfied this way it is satisfied viz. THE FATHER POURED OUT ALL HIS WRATH UPON HIS SON JESUS CHRIST upon whom the Guilt of his People was Charged vid. Quaker Converted Epistle Dedicatory Note Oh! Wonderful yet un scriptural Satisfaction Thus W. Haworth has shewed his Respect to the Son of God thus highly to set the Father against the Son even as much as his Brother T. Powell in his affirming THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS THE GREATEST SINNER * Note his Blasphemy IN THE WORLD Whence it must needs follow THAT THE FATHER POURED OUT ALL HIS WRATH UPON HIS SON Do the Independant Congregations thus think to live at ease in their Sins and go Scot ●ree or accquite themselves from the Wrath of God If they do their Hope and expectations will fail them By these Doctrines before wherein William Haworth has shewn his Madness against the Light within and the Works wrought by and in the Spirit of God in the Saints and against the Son of God himself by rendring him the Subject of his Father's wrath the Reader may suppose what kind of stuff the rest of his work Scribling against us is We have here forborn to give a particular Answer to all these his Doctrines and Confusions or a Recitation of all his Lyes the matter being fully Answered elsewhere in other Books particularly by John Crook in his Treatise Entituled The Counterfeit Convert discovered in Reply to William Haworth's Book Stiled The Quaker Converted to Christianity Re-established which since W. H. hath given us new occasions and like a cracking Boaster now Dares us to Reply is intended to be made Publick so soon as may be with Conveniency If the Lord will We are Friends to all that desire to know the Truth as it is in Jesus Christ viz. Richard Thomas Edward Flumsted jun. H. Sweeting Abraham Rutt Richard Martin H. Stout Here followeth William Bates his Retraction and Account to stop William Haworth 's Clamours on that Occasion WHereas William Haworth has taken occasion to reproach the People of God called Quakers as being no Christians Seducers c. from some words which fell from my self in discourse with him which his Witnesses certifie were thus viz. That what Christ took of the Virgin had now no Being At four sundry times W. Haworth did set upon me with Accusations and Questions And the first time when he with several of his company came as appears to ensnare me with an Unlearned Question about the Body and Humane Nature of Christ Whether it be not the very same Flesh Blood and Bone in Heaven as he took of the Virgin I cannot deny but some such words past from me as before cited wherein I do acknowledge it was my Weakness and Oversight to give him any such Answer And that my Weakness herein may not be further charged upon the People called Quakers I do in the Sight of God affirm That I never was taught any such words among them nor do I know any such thing to be held by any of them as that What Christ took of the Virgin had now no Being I should rather have answered his Question with Silence for I did not understand his word Humane Nature However I hope I shall be more careful how and whom I answer for the time to come Yet nevertheless let it be noted That when I perceived W. H. had gotten Advantage at my words I presently confessed my Belief of the same Christ Jesus as still in Being several times desiring him not to write those words which had given him Advantage yet he told me But he would and still made use of the former Advantage against me ●●lling me I was a Mad Quaker he had had discourse with divers of the Quakers but never heard the like from any of them and withal That my Brethren would call me to an Account for what I had said In the Fear of the holy God I do declare this to be the very Truth of the Matter so near as possibly I can remember The 16 th of the 10 th Mon. 76. William Bates Now observe Reader how disingenuously this W. H. hath dealt in this matter Ist In accusing the Quakers on this Occasion with denying the same Man Christ and disowning Jesus of Nazareth to be the Messiah when he knew as appears the contrary by expecting they would call W. Bates to an Account for what he had said Oh Unconscionable and void of Common Honesty how like the Devil has he acted when he has ensnared a Man then insults over him and since that to accuse a People from that particular Occasion And 2dly To notifie the Man to the Nation as a Prophet of ours for these words which he desired him not to write down but thereby intimated a desire they should not be insisted upon and here he hath honestly retracted them and therein shewn more Respect to Truth then ever W. H. hath done or is like to do whilst he persists in his Lying Aspersions and Abuses against us For which the Righteous God will judge him and his Folly and Madness against God's holy Truth will the more be manifest to his Shame and Confusion if he persist therein THE TESTIMONY OF THE Hartford Quakers FOR THE Man Christ Jesus VINDICATED TO William Haworth's Accusation in his Title Page W. H demonstrating that it is not the same true and real Man Christ Iesus that they i. e. the Quakers give Testimony unto but