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A62859 An addition to the Apology for the two treatises concerning infant-baptisme, published December 15, 1645 in which the author is vindicated from 21 unjust criminations in the 92 page of the book of Mr. Robert Baille, minister of Glasgow, intituled Anabaptisme and sundry materiall points concerning the covenant, infants-interest in it, and baptisme by it, baptism by an unbaptized person, dipping, erastianism and church-government, are argued, in a letter, now enlarged, sent in September 1647, to him / by John Tombes . .. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1794; ESTC R11324 36,211 48

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a word of exception against any man much lesse of invectivenesse against the Assembly at Westminster only it contains the expression of my belief that the ablest of the Assembly contrived Mr. Marshalls book and my wish that it were declared whether the Paedobaptists would stick to it or any other work which I conceive a reasonable wish finding the Proteus-like inconstancy of Paedobaptists in many points of the dispute between us particularly in the chief argument from circumcision and the covenant Gen. 17. to infant-baptism one forming the argument one way another another way one deriving the connexion between the Covenant and initial seal from the nature of the terms another from Gods will one ascribing an interest in the outward Covenant only to all infants of believers another ascribing an interest to them in the inward Covenant also according to charitable presumption another conditionally another asserting the Covenant of Grace to belong to them for the most part one grounding infant-baptisme on the judgement of charity another denying that sufficient and requiring a judgement of faith one stating the question concerning all infants of believers another concerning some only one interpreting 1 Cor. 7. 14. of federal holinesse another of real holinesse one waving the argument from succession of baptisme to circumcision another avouching it with many other differences which tend to the wearying of a disputant and the e●ud●●g of a Reader that desires to find truth and to spend time in examining what is fixed not to lose it in disputing against that which one will own but it m●y be most will disclaim What the Assembly have done in this matter doth not yet answer this wish What is said in the Direstory it may be well doubted whether Assembly-men now hold by that which hath pa●●ed between me and Mr. Marshal and Mr. Geree about the proposition the promise is made to believers and their seed what is said in their ●dvice concerning a confession of faith Ch. 28. Art 4. is so farre from satisfying that it is yet a riddle to me how infant-baptisme can be drawn from Ge● 17. 7 9. with Gal. 3. 9 14. which I remember not alledged by any Paedobaptists since I entered on the dispute save what I heard from Mr. Herl● now the Prolo●utor which I mention in my Apology page 41. which he did with so little evidence for his purpose as I supposed it had been his own peculiar conceit not the Assemblies argument And for the rest of the texts if the Assembly can say any more the● Mr. Marsh●ll and others have said for deducing of Paedobaptisme out of them it were fit it should be known if not I for my part count my self as much unsatisfyed by the Assemblies alledging impertinent texts as by a private mars doing the same This I declare to give the reason of that speech of mine in my Apology As for the Assembly though I have expressed my jealousie of some defects in them and perhaps shall not agree with them in all their determinations yet I have cast no filth in their faces as Mr. 〈◊〉 injuriously accused me even for my good will to them but have 〈◊〉 and spoken respectively of them as Ex●men page 1. studying what I could to prevent those blemishes in their proceedings and determinations which will in time more appear then yet they do and am induced to believe that there are so many of them therein that know me so well as that they would be loath to disclaim me whatever they do of my opinion And though Mr. 〈◊〉 in his Suspension Suspende page 21. saith Mr. 〈…〉 is approved by the Ass●mbly and so takes his book to be approved by them and you count my words of that book to be an invective against the Asse●●ly yet I do not take it to be approved by the Ass●m●ly till they declare it to be so though I have reason to conceive that divers of the ablest of the Assembly especially in some part of learning had their hand in it SECT. VIII Of the eighth Crimination inveighing against the Church of Scotland THe Church of Scotland For proofe of this you refene the Reader to the letters F F page 112. in which you cite one passage of my Apology page 93. which doth not so much as mention any Church much lesse the Church of Scotland but onely the mannagers of the censure of juridical excommunication whom however the Pap●st Prelates use to speak I think you use not to call the Church of Scotland nor do I Nor is there a word of invectivenesse aginst any in those wordes but only a declaration what I question upon my best intelligence which had lesse reference to Scotland then to other parts of the world SECT. IX Of the nineth Crimination inveighing against Mr. Marshal MAster MARSHAL For proofe hereof you referre your Reader to the letters G G page 112. and there you cite two passages out of my APOLOGY one of which page 57. is this I find the words of an intelligent man true concerning Mr. Marshal that he was apt to mistake and in the other page 69. I say that I find him still a confused disputer which indeed containes some complaint of Mr. Marshal much lesse then I had cause but not any invective which I take to be an oration against a man to make him odious such as T●llies Philippicks against Antonius and Demosthenes against Philip and Nazia●zen against Julian SECT. X. Of the tenth Crimination of inveighing against Mr. Tho. Goodwin MAster Goodwin For proofe hereof you referre the Reader to the letters H H page 112. And there you cite two shreds of a large passage concerning an accusation of Mr. Marshal in which he chargeth me as vilifying Mr. Thomas Goodwin which charge I there answer and then use some words which are not invective but a declaration what I conceived of his discourse which if it may not be allowed in dispute the best writers among us will be condemned Dr. Twisse Mr. Gataker and your brethren Mr. Rutherfurd Mr. Gillespy your self and who not your own words in the first part of your Dissuasive page 119. do come neerer to an invective against Mr. Thomas Goodwin then any words in my Apology or Examen the former of which the licenser although Mr. Goodwins tender friend yet judged mil● SECT. XI Of the eleventh Crimination of invectives against others ANd others For proof of this you referre the Reader to H H 2. page 112. where you cite two passages of my Apology the one containing no accusation no nor so much as a complaint against any one but onely a mention of my experiment which I wish the case of Doctor Twisse that I instance in no other had not verified the other passage is no invective against any but meerly an applying of Mr. Ley's words to my Treatise which he had avowed of my Antagonists writings Sir I suppose it would better have suited with charity I living the last summer at the