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A89826 An ansvver to some queries put out by one John Pendarves, in a book, called, Arrowes against Babylon, &c. For the people called, Quakers to answer. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N260; Thomason E865_4; ESTC R207620 10,619 16

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know to be of the devill in your selves and much more you shal finde in the Scriptures left as an example wherein the cross is too heavie for the carnall minde and for shame cease to call your selves Churches of Christ further then you can rejoice in their cross Qu. 5. 6. VVhether your declaring against instrumental Teaching yet going about divers of you informing and instructing your selves and others who are free to hear you doth not discover a gross contradiction betwenen your professed principles and practise and plainly shew that you would have them hear none but you And whether this be right to set them against instrumental teaching to bring them to hear your declaring as some of you call your speaking altering only the name whether instrumental teaching be unsutable to the new Covenant if so why did Christ being ascended appoint Pastors and Teachers in the Church to continue till we all come into the unity of the Faith c. Thus ordaining Ministers for the work while work remaineth for the ministery did Christ burden his Saints with needless appointments An. 5. 6. Those that went about from place to place preaching the Gospel from house to house informing others instructing them to believe in the light to wait for the teachings of Christ c. such we do not declare against yet did these declare against such who was false Apostles who sate at home and crept into houses and led them from the spirit into carnal Ordinances thereby keeping them ever learning and laden with sin and such our practise plainly shews we would not have people to hear not do we hereby deny Instrumentall but Traditional Teaching And you that sit at home and reproach them that go about have little cause to boast as though you were out of Babylon who cannot own the form of the Ministrie of Christ much less do you know the Power And for those thou tellest of who received gifts for the perfecting of the Saints till they all came to the unity of the Faith Thou knowest them not nor their Gifts nor their Work who sits at home reproaching them and incensing the World against them pleading for sin and imperfection which none of them ever did and seeking occasion against them who have received gifts for the perfecting of the Saints and for the work of the Ministry which thou canst not endure to hear tel of shewing how little thou knowest of the end of that Ministry Qu. 7. VVhether the Scriptures you bring to oppose Gospel Ordinances do not serve only to make void Circumcision with other Ordinances of Moses Law and to witness against walking after the tradition of men with the carnal formal practise or Idolizing of true Gospel Ordinances all you say making not at all against a spiritual practise of Church-Ordinances as breaking bread and exhorting one another c. wherein the Saints have the foot-steps of the stock in the primitive times going before them and the appointment of Christ for the continuance of these till his coming which must be understood of his personal coming the second time be being come in the spirit with great glory when he gave those commands 1 Cor. 11.25 26. Revel 2.25 Heb. 1● 25 Ans In this Query thou hast sufficiently shewed thy folly and confusion First in charging us falsly to oppose Gospel Ordinances and then confessing that all we say maketh not at all against the spiritual practise of Church-Ordinances Art not thou ashamed to charge us with the opposing that which thou confessest we say not a word against Or dost thou accuse us for speaking against carnal performances thy bottle must be empted of this Darkness before thou knowest Christs appearance personal or spiritual though with the rest of the dark world thou art putting the day far off thee and his appearance whom the Saints waited for and received which thou with their words wouldst put a far off Qu. 8. VVhether it is not better to wait on God in his good old wayes recorded in his word expecting his work to be gradually carried on as the grouth of a building or of a Plant or Child so running with patience the spiritual race set before us Or as the manner of some is to forsake the principles of saith whereof the Saints have had so great experience in hope to start up suddenly from a low stature into perfection by embracing a new Doctrine An. The good old way thou knowest not by which he carried on his work neither dost thou know his word who would wrest the Letter to oppose it who art set in the seat of darkness condemning them who leave all to follow Christ to be contrary to the Scriptures so much knowest thou of the spiritual race or the principle of faith or the experience the Saints have of it who sheweth thy experience and knowledg of a saints life who calleth them saints who are found light and the most vain men in their foolish fashions and thy faith serveth thee to plead against a low estate to be brought into perfection reproaching that as new Doctrine for which end the ministry of Christ was given as thy self hath instanced in thy sixt Query and now calleth it a start-up shewing thy confusion and envy to perfection Qu. 9. Whether Jesus Christ hath not prayed for those who believe through the word of the Apostles according to Iohn 17.20 And if so Whether they are not in a good and safe way who believe accordingly And whether it be not better to credit their testimony so fully confirmed by the Lord and acknowledged by the Saints for many generations than to forgoe that to embrace and follow the sayings of some of your company Answ Yea Christ hath prayed for those that believe through the word and such are in a safe way but what is this to those that have not the word in them whose belief standeth only in the Letter if such be in a safe way then who is it that is not Many believes both Iohn and Iames Peter and Paul and the rest that what they said was true which never knew the prayers of Christ the Word nor that testimony by the Lord confirmed neither do we desire any who have it to forgoe it but such as never had it are in little danger to forgoe it and these are seen to be them whom thou art encouraging Qu. 10. What is that faith which the Spirit speaks expresly some shall depart from in the later days giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of Devills 1 Tim. 4.1 Qu. 11. Whether that Doctrine which in some is no more but look to the light within with a curse upon disobedience and a blessing upon obedience thereunto be that glorious Gospel preached by Christ and his Apostles holding forth good news to all people Or whether it be not a reviving of the old doctrine of Justification by works wherein the mysterie of iniquitie worketh to darken the grace of God in justifying the
ungodly without works freely and to make void the sufferings of Christ Rom. 3.24 the 4. chap. 5. Gal. 3.1 Ans That faith was spiritual and the gift of God which when they had forsaken and made shipwrack of their consciences became seared yet could they profess the Letter of the scriptures with great zeal as hath appeared ever since that departure there spoken of and the seducing spirits are such as are gone out from within into the world whither thou art leading who art reproaching the Light within as though it was not the Gospel preached by Christ and his Apostles when Christ saith I am the Light of the world and the kingdome of God is within you and the Apostle saith By the Light that shined in their hearts did they come to the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus and Christ in you the hope of glory and this alone is the good news to all people which the seducing spirits that are gone into carnal things would lead from and therefore Christ saith to his go not forth and who hath Christ the Light in them with his works and they in him here is justification by Christ alone which they that do works and not from Christ within and his Light within are in the deeds of darkness and self-righteousness wherein the mystery of iniquity worketh to darken the grace of God and to make void the sufferings of Christ and the Kingdome of God and the righteousness thereof within the obedience thereof makes free from sin and so obtains the blessing and this of faith and not of works though the blind seeth it not who are in their own works and litteral performances such know little of the power of faith or the work of righteousness whereby man is created new in the good works to walk which are fore-ordained and to such the everlasting righteousness is brought in by which the transgression is finished Qu. 12. VVhether the Light that is in every man doth reveal Jesus Christ as crucifified for sin and risen again if so How came it to pass that so many strict men amongst the philosophers and Paul himself walking according to his conscience before conversion were ignorant of him Answ Though the Light of Christ that lighteth every man that cometh into the world yet it revealeth Christ only in such as believe and follow it out of the world in which Christ is not revealed neither can be for the world by wisdome knows him not And the reason why Christ crucified for sin and risen again was not revealed to the Philosophers and to Saul is the same in your selves in this age who some of you run from a blind zeal in the Letter others in wild notions all from your imaginations without the Light of Christ so none in that state knoweth Christ as you ought to do who have him not revealed within for the testimonie of Jesus is the spirit of Prophecie and it is the spirit of truth that guideth into all truth and that which testifieth of Jesus as the truth is in him which all that have not that knowledge from the spirit are ignorant of him and so taketh that for the Light of the conscience which is but your own thoughts and imaginations and so far unlike to reveal Jesus And Saul was as learned in the Letter and as zealous for that which he imagined to be the meaning of it as you are and yet blinde as to the light in the conscience his mad zeal leading him against the pricks as many of you now are and might see a taste thereof did you minde the light you are opposing Qu. 13 Whether you have not amongst you many who presume to be Masters or masterly Teachers contrary to that word of Christ Mat. 23.10 in the true intent of it Do they not usurp authority over the judgment and conscience of their followers requiring them to believe and obey what they say without asking their meaning and examining their sayings by the scriptures whereas Christ expounded his sayings as occasion were offered and need required to his Disciples and the Bereans are commended for searching the Scriptures daylie whether the things spoke by the Apostles were so Mat. 13.18 19.36 37 c. Ans This Quaerie is utterly made up of a ly therefore I return it back into the slanderous bottle from whence it came for against the whole Quaerie we are witnesses and the practise of Christ is owned who is the Lord of the conscience the one Teacher whereby Masterly Teachers are denied Qu. 14. Whether it be not high presumption and spirituall pride for some amongst you to break Christs Commands and teach men so and to judge as many do the secrets of mens hearts and rashly without knowledg of mens conversations to affirm that they have not the spirit If the spirit of God witness with their Spirits as I doubt not but it doth with divers of them you so judge that they have the Spirit of God and the work of regeneration witnessing thereunto may they not by your bold judgment to the contrary know how to judg of you Ans The Spirit of Christ where it is knoweth it own neither doth it judge by outward appearance nor yet without knowledge by which the Saints have judged the hearts of others which they knew not themselves and that spirit is witnessed but what spirit is that in thee which accuseth some amongst us to break Christs commands and teach men so not making it appear who they are and under that pretence would limit the Spirit of the Lord not to judge where it is This sheweth little of the work of regeneration or the Spirits witness but as one afraid that deceit should be discovered and so would exclude all judging where shal Christ judge if not in his Saints which judgment the blinde generation could never own and yet would be judging others of that whereof thy self art guilty as thy book doth manifest by which all may know how to judge of thee Qu. 15. Whether do you not esteem the sayings of some amongst you of equal authority with the sayings of God in Scripture and as readily or more to be believed and obeyed without any enquiry whether they agree with Scripture or no even although they plainly contradict the written word Is it not an usual things with many of you to travel up and down to and fro far and near to the wearying of your flesh and neglecting your relations in obedience to such voyces or sayings not warranted by Scripture but contrary thereunto yet in many things of this kinde wherein some of you seem to glory the Papists themselves out-strip you onely they are more modest then to go naked and who hath required these things of any of you Query 16. Whether Satan that old Deceiver who often changes his shapes being discover'd in many of his old devices may not now be expected to come in his best dress as an Angell of Light and being