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A44785	Darknesse and ignorance Expelled by the light shining forth, and the appearance of the day. In answer to a book called, Innocents no saints. Published by one Edward Dodd, wherein he hath laboured to prove tythes lawfull, and tithing priests and hirelings to be the ministers of the word, and the masse-house the church; and calls idolatry civility, and heathenish complements courtesie, and hath perverted many Scriptures. His deceit laid open, his vindication made void, and his arguments confounded, and Truth laid open in all these particulars, for the sake of the upright in heart, who rejoyces in Truths prosperity. By one of the lambs followers, who makes warre against the heart of the dragon, and against the rear of the beast. F.H.	Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669.	1659 (1659)	Wing H3156; ESTC R215412	21,256	31

place Doth not his presence fill heaven and earth Is he divided from his presence But may be thou wilt say as thy generation doth that ●e is in the Earth by his spirit and in Heaven in his body or person distinct from his spirit If so then you divide Christ and a person without a spirit and not Christ I will aske thee a question No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came downe from heaven the Sonne of man which is in heaven Where was the Sonne of man or the man Christ when this was spoken If thou canst see this thou mayst be ashamed to shut Christ out of the Earth or from among his Saints where his presence his arme his hand and his power is which is not divided from his body but I know thou art deafe and canst not heare what I say and thou bringst Heb. 10. 12. After he had offered one sacrifice sate downe at the right hand of God that is sayst thou In his humane nature The shame is come upon thy selfe who have added thy owne imagination and let all see whether the Scripture speak of humane nature but thy folly must be manifest to all Thy third Particular that thou names and as thou sayest shames is If wee say wee are without sinne we deceive our selves Thou hadst better have enquired perfectly whether we said so or no before thou hadst undertook to reprove upon so doubtfull termes and thou bringst Prov. 20. 9. For who can say my heart is clean He can say so and speaks truth whose heart God hath cleansed by the blood of Christ from all sinne And then thou bringst Job 9. 20. If I justifie my selfe my owne mouth shall condemn me That 's true we justifie not our selves neither selfe but denies selfe and selfe is condemned and Christ Gods righteousnesse is become our Justification And then thou bringest Paul Phil. 3. Not as though I had already attained but follow after that I may apprehend What of that he was in his growth and was come to that which was perfect and did believe to attain to the stature of a perfect man And then thou saith I tell you you are not perfect your contempt of the Ministers of Christ and perverting the Doctrine of Christ are Characters of sin That shall stand for thy selfe and thy Masters whom thou art joyned with who sets up Popish trumpery in stead of the Ordinance of Christ and sets up the precepts of men introduced in the apostacy for the doctrine of Christ And then thou concludes the Scripture hath concluded all under sinne all in the first Adam but I hope the Scripture doth not conclude all under sin in the second Adam Neither doth conclude him under sinne that 's borne of God who sins not And if thou make any such conclusion thou gives thy verdict for the Devill and not for God then thou saith I am not pleading for sinne Thou art pleading for nothing else but for sinne and imperfection in which the Devils kingdome stands and thou saith thou hast cause to cry out O wretched man that I am So thou hast indeed hast thou repented of thy drunkennesse How long is it since thou fell off a bridge being drunke and broke thy leg but it is like for thy good service done to thy Master in writing this lying scrole he will give thee an absolution for that transgression The fourth Particular which thou calls our Tenet is That we deny the Scripture to be the Word of God And thou hast brought many Scriptures to prove that they are but they are as impertinent to the thing as thy former about the Steeple-house or Masse-house Thou hast brought many Scriptures Jer. 37. 8. how they are called the words of the Lord who ever denyed that but the Word spoke the words and the Word is greater 2 Tim. 3. 16 All Scripture is given by divine inspiration I deny that some was spoken by the Devill and some by wicked men and I hope thou wilt not call that divine inspiration Then thou may be wilt conclude I deny the words of Paul to Timothy I deny the word Is it is an addition of the Translator which word alters and varies the true sense of that Scripture but all Scripture given by inspiration of God is profitable for doctrine c. But knowest thou no distinction between inspiration and tradition You have it by tradition the Saints by Inspiration It 's a dead letter in it selfe and as it is spoken from your mouthes who speak of it by tradition but from them that were inspired the living Spirit uttered forth living words But what is all this to prove the Scripture or writings to be the Word of God And then thou cites 2 Cor. 4. 7. Not handling the Word deceitfully What doth this prove nothing at all and all the rest that thou hast cited is nothing at all but what we have answered over and over many times wherein all that have any understanding in the knowledge of God are satisfied That which thou shouldst have proved by the Scripture is where the Scripture or writings or Letter doth title it selfe the Word of God It is granted they are the words of God and the words of holy men inspired So in thy owne words I say take thou notice though thou art confident and presumptuous in this thou hast shamed thy selfe and not us The Word was before either Scripture Writings or Bible was which Word is greater and gave them a being And thou that wouldst set that which is brought forth by the Father above the Father art out of the Apostles wisdome speaking a similitude He that builds a house receives more honour then the house Now to call the Scripture the Word is to give as much honour to the house as to him that builded it but in a word this I say what ever the Scripture doth testifie of it selfe or call it selfe that I owne it to be And if any man call it another thing it shall testifie against him and so thou that hast gone about to set up the words which were spoken in time above or equall with the Word that was before all time art ignorant and unskilfull in the knowledge of GOD and silence would better become thee ●n thy last page thou saith How often have wee beene called upon to make known to the world what we hold and what we would have Are you the men raised for this worke alone to cry downe Tythes and speake against Lace Ribbons and Cuffs Is there nothing for us to do Then this declare that this is enough to salvatior I say we have declared more in the world then they do receive or believe and we have published the will of God to the earth in many things and shall further proceed as the Spirit of the Lord shall direct us And that which we would have is the old Dragon chayned and the Whore burnt with fire and her Merchants cease trading and the Sea dried

as thou calls it metamorphize them into another shape witnesse the many publique Teachers and Parish-masters and tithing Priests in the dayes of Edward the sixth Henry the 8. Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeths dayes and now of late in the Bishops dayes when the Magistrates voted down the Bishops all or most of the Priests denied their Fathers and their institution and though they ordained them Ministers yet they denied them and now are got into their seats and Benefices and there thy Reader may see the metamorphosed changelings and the apostates and I do believe the County of Salop abounds with such like and they have been on the Stage long and have acted such a part in every generation as would please the present Authority or power whether they were Papists or Protestants Prelaticall or whatsoever but F. D the Exit will come and when the day appears the beasts must go into ●heir dens again and thou confesseth you live in apostatizing times thou that art among the Apostates and in the apostatizing age and time would accuse others Nay thou must hold thy peace and leave pleading for Apostates and for the fashions of the heathen which hath got up since the dayes of the apostacy which the whole scope of thy Book is full of nothing else and we cannot permit or allow them who are in the time of apostacy and who are one with the Apostates which have wandered after the Beast since the dayes of the Apostles I say we cannot allow such as you to be Judges for we are come out of the apostacy and to before the Apostates and to before the wandering Stars and thou hast mist it much that tells the Quakers are they Edward I tell thee we are come to the everlasting Gospell again and have received it and it 's the power of God which was to be and is to be preached again to the Nations after the apostacy And as for the Book called Malice stript whipt I have seen it and the spirit of thy Mr. Smith whom thou calls Reverend thou hast elevated him as high as the Pope but E. D. what is the reason thou reverencest him so much as thou doth to thy Reader And in the tenth page thou saist many souls depend upon his Ministery and thou blessest God for the worke of God you enjoy in that Congregation Thou hast extol'd him too highly or else he hath wronged thee grievously for thou saist thou hast profited much by him Thou mayest call to minde a certain time when he preached as you call it out of the 13 of Luke and when he spoke of the parable of the man that planted a Vineyard and 3 years looked for fruit and Sam Smith whom thou so adores said he had sought for fruit from your Congregation this 7 yeares at Cressage and had found none he shall be an evidence for me against thee that thy glorying of him is vain and it 's manifest he is one the Lord sent his Prophet to declare against who hath run and the Lord never sent him therefore he hath not profited you at Cressage at all lean souls are they like to be that depends on him In the first observation as thou calls it thou hast extracted the heads of Samuel Smiths Book into five particulars which thou saist we are ashamed to answer or else know not what to say for our defence I say unto thee boast not when thou putst on thy Armour but when thou putst it off for the victory may be doubtful THe first particular That the Nationall Ministers doth maintain the true worship of God and the Doctrine of Christ according to the revealed will of God Answ. So saying and so doing were something the true worship of God is in spirit and in truth which is not loe here and loe there nor in outward observations but in life in power and in truth But to be brief both the doctrine and practice of the Nationall Ministery in generall is contrary to the Scripture which thou calls the Word of God as for instance their sprinkling of Infants their teaching men to swear and calling it part of the worship of God which is contrary to the doctrine of Christ who said swear not at all Their singing Davids Psalms put into meeter by Poets and Ballad-mongers singing them in their invented tunes which pleaseth the carnall minde Their studied discourses which you call Sermons invented from the strength of naturall wit and not speaking as they are moved by the holy Ghost which the Ministers of Christ in all ages did In these and many other things which I could instance they are out of the Doctrine of Christ And in a word your whole worship differs both in matter and manner from the Saints worship in the primitive times But seeing we have denyed the Nationall Ministers divers years ago and have laid down our grounds and reasons to the world wherein we have charged them that their practice is contrary to Scripture unto which grounds and reasons not one Parish-master in England hath yet vindicated themselves these sixe years And unto that Book called The Grounds and Reasons why we deny the Priests if the Reader be not satisfied concerning them there he may see how they erre both in Doctrine and practice contrary to Scriptures To the second and third Particular That the present government of the Nation is the Ordinance of God and that the Ministers bringing offenders before the Magistate is not persecution As for the present government of the Nation the lawfulnesse thereof is not in question by us but many who are governours and should be Executors of the Law have acted contrary to Law being stirred up by the Priests who bite with their teeth if one put not into their mouths and hath caused the just to suffer by giving judgement against them in their wills contrary to Law or else according to those Lawes which hath been made in the will of man in the transgression under which we have suffered for the truths sake and therein have peace And as for Ministers bringing offenders before Magistrates that is an usurped authority to make a Minister a Magistrate but Edward what was the offence because a company of people came to Cressage and declared the word of truth in your Streets and what if it had been in your Assembly this was no offence in the Church of Corinth where all might speak one by one although it s become an offence in your Masse-house at Cressage but the Reader may judge in whose steps thou and thy Priest walkes you have done the offence and then accuseth others to the Magistrates as offenders Let shame cover your lips you impudent men Hath not Samuel Smith in his own Narration in his book said that William Parrat Constable and Humphrey Dale Church-warden according to the Ministers direction did pull down the Quakers Speaker charging some to secure him And others also of your own County secured by the instigation of the Priest by

was caught up to God when all the world wondred after the Beast them they had their rise And when the Kings and Rulers of these Nations did drinke of the Whores cup then they made Lawes to compell the Nations and the people therein to pay the whores Merchants and the Popes locusts which he sent over the Nations to fill the earth with their deceit which Laws stands yet in force as though they were some divine institution but both the tythes and the Law by which they are compelled to be paid we deny and bear our witnesse against as to be things which holds up the Devils Kingdome and the Gospel which the Nationall Ministery holds up and preaches hath no more ability in it to procure a maintenance for them then the Papists Gospell did for them So to be brief the Priests hath the Popes wages forced by a compulsory Law made and ratified by them who owned the Popes supremacy Furthermore we assert that tythes were never due by divine ordination but onely to the Priests Levites in the first Covenant nor never were commanded to be paid but in the Land of anaan and who so upholds the Ordinances of the first Priest-hood denies the ordinances of the second So this commandement to pay tythes now to them who are neither of Aarons nor Levies Tribe and by us who are not in Canaan temporall nor of Israel according to the flesh the Commandement by which tythes were due in the first Priest-hood reaches not unto us And after Christs ascension nor one of the Apostles either commanded or required any such practice of the Saints either to Colossia Corinth Antioch Philippi Pergamos or the rest of the Churches of Asia So that it 's evident to all judicious men that this is quite another thing got up in the Apostacy which no Minister or believer ever did own who were witnesses of the second Covenant but any who are not satisfied in this thing by what I have said which much more I could say concerning this thing but I refer them that are not satisfied to a Book called The great case of Tythes stated published by A. P. In thy fourth and fifth page thou art pleading for mastership for thy Ministers and so by thy own argument thou hast proved them out of the doctrine of Christ who said to his Ministers Call no man Master neither be ye called Masters but to oppose this thou brings John 3. 10. how Christ said to Nichodemus art thou a Master in Israel And then thou vaporest and saist these are not the words of Mr. Baxter and Mr. Smith but Christs In some translation it is Ruler in Israel In another Teacher in Israel But it may be some who coveted after mastership as thou dost hath put in Master for Ruler and Teacher but grant the word Master Christ testified that the Jewes and Pharisees that they were called of men Master and reprehended them for it And if he did say to Nichodemas art thou a master he spoke but in their language not with approbation of their being so called for it 's manifest he gave a contrary command to his Disciples and the commands of Christ did not contradict one another And as for Richard Baxter and Samuel Smith whose works thou saith doth witnesse for them beyond thy testimony As for R. B. his works are manifest to be works of darknesse many false lyes and reproaches he hath cast upon the living truth of God and hath been a great opposer of the strait way of the Lord for which the Lord will plead with him and you all in the day of his righteous judgement And as for S. S. let his owne testimony evidence what his worke is who said in the Congregation at Cressage he had look't for fruit seven years among them but found none So it 's manifest he is such a workman as may be ashamed of his work In thy sixth and seventh page thou sayest the Pharisaical Quakers makes voyd the fifth Commandement because they do not put off their hats to politicall and spirituall Fathers as thou calls them and thou heapst up a great deal of Scripture to no purpose not one word in them all doth prove any such thing as putting off hats either to Fathers spiritual or temporall and so thou art a perverter and a wrester of it to thy owne destruction and thou cites Rom. 13. 7. to prove putting off hats render to all their dues tribute to whom tribute and this is the tribute of the Nation thou saith And the 1 Pet. 2. 13. Submit your selves to every ordinance of man this thou bringst Ignorant block shew us either in plain Scripture or example from the Saints where it is commanded or commended or from any ordinance of man or else cease thy foolish clamour and learn a bridle for thy tongue and cease thy foolish inferences If the Magistrates had no better tribute then putting off the hat they would soon be poor Rulers And whereas thou callest it Civill worship doffing the hat and bowing the knee I know no more civility in it then if thou should put off thy Coat or thy Doublet to every one thou meetest with And most of this which thou calls civility is the most practised by them who are the rudest vainest and the phantastickst proud Anticks in the Nations who are full of flattery and deceit and vaine complements and to a proud fellow which hath a gay cloak or powdered hayr and a 〈◊〉 silver lace dawbed upon his cloaths then off goes the hat and the knee bowes and your servant Sir and your servant my Lord or your most humble servant or thrice humble servant when if he were commanded to do service to such a one would not do any thing materiall but disdain him And meet then with a plain man who will not complement and then sirrah unmannerly Clown and be ready to fight and this spirit rules the most in those men who are so full of their Complements that begets one another into pride and deceit and provoke one another by their bad example into deceit like drunkards drinking one to another to make one another drunk it 's like thou wilt call this civility too And if thou wilt plead it 's the custome of the Nation doffing hats and bowing The customes of the Heathen are vain and many In Israel who feared the Lord were not to walk after the customes of the Nations for this deceit was not from the beginning and who ever comes to be a follower of Christ who received no honour of men neither respected persons will deny this deceit Take him for thy example rather then a company of Fidlers and Roysters and Ruffins who are without the feare of God and Christ who is the Saints example he said how can you believe that seek and receive honour one of another So then they were unbelievers who sought and received honour one of another and wouldst thou and the rest who live in deceit

doth the Church of Christ who meet in his Name but such are your Ministers therefore we have turned from them many years ago And the next thing that thou art offended at is that a woman spoke in a meeting near 〈◊〉 what if ten had spoke if they had spoke by the Spirit of the Lord what offence had it been Did not God promise by Ioel that he would pour forth his spirit upon his Daughters and they should prophesie and wouldest thou stop them And Priscilla instructed a Minister better then any of your Parish tything Priests to wit Apollo And had not Philip three daughters did prophesie And was there not women with Clement that were fellow-labourers in the Gospell And what though she that was in the transgression was to keep silence in the Church Doth it therefore follow that they that are come out of the transgression are to be silent in the Church Is this good Logick Edward If Christ be in the male and in the female may he speake in the male but not in the female Doth not the Apostle say the man is not without the woman nor the woman without the man but both in the Lord And if the woman be in the Lord as well as the man may not the Lord speak in her Art thou one of them that wilt limit the Holy one What if he speake in a dumb Asse and reprove the madnesse of the Prophet Balaam And if hee should doe so now to reprove the mad Prophets that are in Balaams way loving the wages of unrighteousnesse now as he did then will you reprove God He that reproves him shall answer it and he that gainsayes either Son or Daughter shall perish in the gain-saying And now I come to thy third Observation The third Observation THy eye being evill thou canst not see when good cometh and thou art one of them who watcheth for iniquity that thereby thou mayest blaspheme the Name of God and his Truth which thou art out of And as for our Tenets which thou saith thou hast named and shamed thou no more knows us nor our Tenets then thou knowest from whence the winde comes and whither it goes For all our words are as a parable to thee and thou knowest not what we say although thou hast catched and snatched up some of our words brokenly to quarrell with yet we are hidden from thee and a gulfe is between thee and us that as thou canst not apprehend nor comprehend but first a terrible day must come upon thee and those things which thou hast laid down to be our Tenets thou doubtest whether they be or no manifest by thy owne words If we say so and if we hold so thou had better have been certain before thou hadst shewed thy selfe too imperious and arrogant of sham●ng them when thou knowest not whether we hold them as thou hast layd them downe in thy owne words the shame at last will come upon thy selfe and that rash hasty raging spirit by which thou utterest forth all this mudd and dirt every one may see in this observation thy deceit manifest And the first thing that thy darke minde stumbles at is that some have said That they that have the spirit of God are equall with God He that hath the Spirit of God is in that which is equall as God is equall and his wayes equall And he that is joyned to the Lord is one sprit there is unity and the unity stands in equality it selfe He that is borne from above is the Sonne of God and he said I and my Father are one And when the Sonne is revealed and speaks the Father speaks in him and dwells in him and he in the Father In that which is equall in equality it selfe there is equality in nature though not in stature Goe learn what these things mean the understanding and learned will know what I say and this is neither damnable nor blasphemous but on the contrary it is saving and precious to them that believe And thou concludes Though they be glorified in heaven yet are not equall with God Here thou blasphemes the Son is glorified with the Father in the same glory he had with him before the world began the glory is in purity equality immortality and eternity but for thy proof thou bringst Psal. 86 8. For who among the gods is like unto our God And again There is none like unto thee O Lord Here thou hast gone about to prove more Gods then one in heaven Were the gods glorified in heaven which were not like the living God Or were they in heaven which were not like the Lord What blasphemy is this They that are in heaven are like him in his image and not like any other but in the world there are gods many and Lords many but that is not in heaven There are no Gods nor Lords in the World nor in the Earth that is like the living God and living Lord of Heaven and Earth And many such nonsensicall phrases hast thou uttered and foolish impertinencies and thou hast scarce cited one Scripture but thou hast either misapplyed or wrested and perverted being very ignorant and unlearned and thy Masters for whom thou contendst will never receive much honour nor credit by thy writing or vindication of them But to the second Particular which thou calls our Tenet is That Christ Jesus is not glorified in his humane nature and that he hath no reall body but his mysticall body and this thou sayest is contrary to Scripture Luke 24. 3. 9. and Acts 3. 20. John 17. And in this thou sayest we are shamed I say thou hast shamed thy selfe and hath cited these Scriptures to no purpose at all none of all these speaks of humane nature or mysticall body but this I say he is glorified with the Father in a spirituall body in the same glory he had with the Father before the world began And the same Jesus which was of the seed of Abraham according to the flesh and the Sonne of God according to the spirit is glorified with the Father the man Christ Jesus he is set downe at the right hand of God But if thou meane by humane a carnall body or the same flesh that thou hast on deal plainly with us and nakedly the next time thou or any of thy Teachers writes and prove us by Scripture where the Church is called his mysticall body or where hast thou got these new coyned words as Humane nature and mysticall body Correct thy pen and let no such Popish phrases come in print again least thou shame thy selfe more instead of shaming of us And thou concludes If any say here he is or there he is on earth believe them not Where learnedst thou this Article of Faith I pray thee shew me Is he not both in heaven and earth How should he restore the earth and all things into their purity if he must not be manifest in the earth What wilt thou confine him to or in a