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they_o baptize_v according_a to_o the_o form_n of_o the_o covenant_n i_o will_v be_v thy_o god_n and_o of_o thy_o seed_n which_o be_v apprehend_v by_o the_o parent_n to_o themselves_o and_o their_o child_n and_o pag._n 129_o i_o confess_v that_o say_v be_v require_v that_o infant_n comprehend_v in_o the_o covenant_n may_v please_v god_n but_o i_o deny_v that_o they_o can_v or_o aught_o to_o be_v endow_v with_o their_o own_o faith_n inherent_a in_o they_o dancus_fw-la l._n 4._o de_fw-la baptismo_fw-la cap._n 10._o pag._n 268._o propose_v to_o himself_o this_o question_n what_o be_v the_o faith_n which_o in_o baptism_n we_o require_v in_o infant_n and_o answer_v none_n vrsinus_n in_o defence_n argument_n bezae_fw-la god_n receive_v infant_n into_o the_o church_n without_o faith_n peter_n martyr_n in_o 1._o cor._n 7._o pag._n 94_o see_v the_o holy_a scripture_n do_v not_o tell_v i_o that_o infant_n believe_v or_o those_o miracle_n be_v wrought_v in_o they_o neither_o see_v i_o that_o it_o 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cont._n 2._o quest_n 6._o c._n 3._o pag._n 566_o baptism_n do_v not_o infuse_v any_o say_v or_o grace_n into_o infant_n and_o he_o say_v plain_o that_o infant_n have_v no_o faith_n and_o lib._n 8._o cont_n duraeum_n sect_n 77_o albeit_o in_o the_o sacrament_n faith_n which_o receive_v the_o word_n of_o promise_n be_v necessary_a yet_o that_o say_v be_v not_o needful_a in_o infant_n albeit_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o the_o holy_a ghost_n effectual_o work_v in_o they_o after_o a_o secret_a and_o wonderful_a manner_n m._n perkins_n the_o praedestinaâ—_n tom_fw-mi 1._o col_fw-fr 149_o infant_n which_o die_v in_o the_o covenant_n we_o believe_v to_o be_v save_v by_o tenor_n of_o that_o covenant_n but_o they_o be_v not_o choose_v for_o faith_n or_o according_a to_o faith_n which_o set_v they_o have_v not_o and_o 〈◊〉_d â—â—rie_a causar_n cap._n 25_o elect_v infant_n die_a in_o the_o womb_n or_o soon_o after_o they_o be_v bear_v be_v save_v after_o a_o hide_a and_o unspeakable_a manner_n ingraft_v in_o christ_n by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n luther_n tom_n 6._o in_o cap._n 25._o gen._n fol._n 322_o unbaptise_v infant_n have_v no_o faith_n melancthon_n in_o locis_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la to_o 3._o fol._n 238_o it_o be_v most_o true_a that_o say_v be_v require_v in_o all_o that_o be_v of_o year_n but_o concern_v infant_n say_v he_o the_o matter_n be_v otherwise_o 〈…〉_o infant_n 〈…〉_o kemnitius_n part_n 2._o exam._n tit_n de_fw-fr baptism_n pag._n 89._o tell_v we_o that_o some_o protestant_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o infant_n be_v indeed_o save_v by_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n but_o without_o say_v nor_o do_v their_o say_n that_o the_o seed_n or_o root_n of_o faith_n or_o else_o a_o inclination_n or_o disposition_n to_o faith_n which_o some_o of_o they_o affirm_v infant_n to_o have_v help_v they_o any_o thing_n it_o all_o both_o because_o scharpe_a cont_n 1._o de_fw-fr justifi_n grant_v that_o this_o seed_n can_v neither_o have_v the_o knowledge_n nor_o apply_v of_o the_o promise_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o protestant_a faith_n and_o because_o musculus_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la art_n 7._o confess_v that_o they_o distinguish_v and_o put_v a_o difference_n between_o faith_n and_o this_o hide_a seed_n now_o if_o it_o be_v no_o faith_n it_o make_v not_o he_o faithful_a in_o who_o it_o be_v and_o last_o because_o as_o themselves_o acknowledge_v they_o be_v not_o assure_v whither_o infant_n have_v any_o such_o seed_n or_o no._n for_o caluin_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 16._o §_o 9_o cit_fw-la whether_o they_o have_v at_o all_o any_o knowledge_n like_a unto_o faith_n i_o choose_v rather_o to_o leave_v it_o undetermine_v and_o he_o add_v that_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o renew_n be_v know_v to_o god_n alone_o to_o these_o allegation_n you_o may_v add_v that_o m._n perkins_n in_o his_o reform_a catholic_a cont_n 16._o say_v a_o man_n may_v be_v save_v by_o a_o desire_n to_o have_v say_v and_o nevertheless_o confess_v 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which_o that_o of_o zurich_n have_v these_o word_n the_o 2._o thesis_n of_o antichrist_n can_v be_v reject_v as_o heretical_a see_v it_o be_v very_o probable_a for_o almost_o all_o the_o father_n be_v of_o that_o mind_n again_o since_o malice_n daily_o increase_v nothing_o let_v but_o at_o the_o last_o some_o notable_a one_o may_v come_v who_o in_o impiety_n surpass_v all_o the_o enemy_n of_o the_o gospel_n vorstius_n also_o in_o his_o antibellarm_n pag._n 79_o who_o discourse_n more_o advise_o of_o this_o matter_n do_v grant_v that_o it_o be_v very_o likely_a that_o yet_o some_o one_o shall_v arise_v to_o who_o all_o the_o qualite_n of_o antichrist_n may_v agree_v in_o the_o high_a degree_n what_o certainty_n then_o can_v protestant_n have_v out_o of_o the_o foresay_a place_n for_o their_o purpose_n since_o some_o of_o their_o best_a learned_a do_v but_o doubt_n and_o other_o deny_v that_o
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debate_n 196._o caluin_n 4._o insticut_n c._n 1._o §_o 12._o narrat_fw-la de_fw-fr eccles_n belg._n p._n 196._o and_o the_o mayor_n they_o can_v prove_v no_o otherwise_o then_o by_o trifle_v by_o repeat_v it_o and_o say_v that_o it_o be_v out_o of_o all_o doubt_n i_o add_v also_o that_o the_o sacramentarye_n say_v that_o the_o lutheran_n church_n err_v even_o in_o the_o fundamental_a point_n and_o the_o like_v say_v the_o lutheran_n of_o the_o sacramentary_n and_o scarce_o there_o be_v any_o protestant_n who_o do_v not_o think_v that_o the_o church_n whereof_o he_o be_v do_v err_v in_o some_o point_n what_o reason_n then_o have_v they_o out_o of_o the_o trueness_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o their_o church_n to_o infer_v their_o perpetual_a existence_n 8._o three_o i_o add_v that_o the_o manner_n wherewith_o protestant_n do_v prove_v the_o minor_a of_o their_o foresay_a syllogism_n be_v sophistical_a and_o not_o such_o as_o they_o exact_v of_o we_o for_o proof_n of_o our_o doctrine_n 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cap._n 3._o protestant_n do_v now_o confess_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o of_o itself_o sufficient_a to_o end_v all_o question_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o schismatic_n can_v be_v convince_v by_o scripture_n how_o then_o can_v they_o sufficient_o prove_v all_o the_o point_n of_o their_o doctrine_n by_o scripture_n 9_o whitak_n loc_fw-la cit_fw-la p._n 490._o plessy_a l._n de_fw-fr eccles_n c._n 9_o again_o themselves_o acknowledge_v that_o they_o need_v certain_a mean_n to_o attain_v to_o the_o right_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o that_o their_o mean_n be_v humane_a and_o not_o infallible_a as_o knowledge_n of_o tongue_n conference_n of_o place_n and_o such_o like_a and_o with_o all_o that_o such_o as_o the_o mean_n be_v such_o be_v the_o exposition_n of_o scripture_n if_o therefore_o their_o mean_n be_v not_o infallible_a how_o can_v their_o understanding_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v infallible_a moreover_o they_o scarce_o ever_o prove_v any_o thing_n by_o both_o 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tortura_fw-la forti_fw-la c._n 1._o burhill_n among_o the_o wise_a both_o of_o our_o side_n and_o you_o aâ—tergiversatour_n do_v no_o less_o hurt_v his_o cause_n then_o a_o bewrayer_n for_o he_o seem_v to_o consent_v &_o grant_v who_o then_o hold_v his_o peace_n when_o silence_n be_v suspicious_a 4._o three_o touch_v the_o exposition_n of_o the_o testimony_n let_v he_o observe_v that_o when_o the_o word_n be_v clear_a and_o their_o sense_n manifest_a he_o do_v not_o expound_v they_o or_o wrest_v they_o to_o another_o meaning_n for_o first_o if_o clear_a word_n must_v be_v expound_v there_o will_v be_v no_o end_n of_o expound_v again_o to_o what_o purpose_n shall_v he_o expound_v those_o word_n which_o need_v no_o exposition_n this_o be_v as_o apost_n as_o serm._n 14._o the_o verb_n apost_n s._n augustin_n say_v no_o other_o then_o to_o go_v about_o to_o bring_v darkness_n into_o open_a light_n beside_o protestant_n themselves_o say_v that_o clear_a word_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v expound_v for_o thus_o carolstad_n thus_o luther_n co_fw-la 2._o ep_n ad_fw-la carolstad_n luther_n this_o rule_n that_o one_o place_n be_v to_o be_v expound_v by_o another_o without_o doubt_n be_v particular_a to_o wit_v a_o doubtful_a or_o obscure_a place_n must_v be_v expound_v by_o another_o that_o be_v certain_a and_o clear_a for_o to_o expound_v certain_a and_o clear_a place_n by_o conference_n of_o other_o place_n be_v wicked_o to_o mock_v truth_n and_o to_o bring_v cloud_n into_o light_n the_o minister_n of_o saxony_n in_o 303._o in_o pa._n 303._o colloq_fw-la aldeburg_n say_v to_o their_o fellow_n let_v they_o remember_v that_o exposition_n be_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v in_o clear_a place_n and_o those_o of_o 161._o of_o hospin_n fol._n 161._o zurich_n then_o there_o be_v need_n of_o declaration_n when_o the_o word_n &_o sense_n thereof_o be_v obscure_a and_o melancthon_n nothing_o can_v be_v say_v so_o proper_o so_o plain_o advise_o which_o may_v not_o be_v deprave_a by_o some_o cavillation_n beza_n 41_o beza_n ep._n 41_o also_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o wrest_v other_o man_n writing_n and_o m._n dominis_n 3._o dominis_n l._n 1._o c._n 3._o let_v those_o word_n which_o be_v clear_a be_v keep_v in_o their_o proper_a and_o plain_a sense_n 5._o four_o let_v he_o observe_v that_o in_o expound_v the_o protestant_n testimony_n he_o devise_v not_o hyperbole_n or_o figure_n at_o his_o pleasure_n but_o let_v he_o bring_v good_a reason_n why_o he_o expound_v they_o figurative_o either_o deny_a say_v 13._o say_v cont._n prax._n c._n 13._o tertullian_n that_o these_o be_v write_v or_o who_o be_v thou_o that_o thou_o deny_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v take_v as_o they_o be_v write_v and_o the_o protestant_n in_o admonit_n de_fw-fr lib._n concord_n cap._n 3._o say_v if_o they_o will_v not_o that_o these_o shall_v be_v understand_v as_o they_o sound_v why_o speak_v they_o so_o and_o brentius_n in_o recognit_n pag._n 148._o what_o liberty_n what_o temerity_n be_v this_o of_o abuse_v word_n and_o devise_v a_o new_a grammar_n for_o first_o the_o rule_n of_o understand_v man_n word_n be_v that_o they_o be_v take_v according_a to_o their_o proper_a and_o common_a signification_n unless_o the_o writer_n or_o speaker_n do_v by_o some_o way_n declare_v the_o contrary_n whereupon_o 473._o whereupon_o tom._n 2._o fol._n 473._o luther_n say_v we_o have_v overcome_v that_o word_n be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o their_o natural_a sense_n except_o the_o contrary_n be_v demonstrate_v and_o 4._o and_o colloq_fw-la c._n 8._o diu._n 4._o d._n rainolds_n that_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o word_n in_o which_o they_o be_v common_o take_v beside_o otherwise_o all_o force_n of_o prove_v any_o thing_n by_o any_o word_n of_o god_n or_o man_n be_v quite_o go_v note_n note_n for_o since_o all_o the_o force_n of_o such_o proof_n stand_v in_o the_o sense_n if_o this_o be_v uncertain_a and_o must_v be_v proper_a or_o figurative_a according_a as_o the_o hearer_n or_o reader_n will_v all_o the_o force_n of_o the_o proof_n shall_v depend_v upon_o the_o will_n of_o the_o hearer_n or_o reader_n and_o hence_o it_o proceed_v that_o the_o proof_n which_o catholic_n make_v out_o of_o scripture_n against_o heretic_n seem_v to_o some_o not_o to_o convince_v they_o which_o fall_v out_o not_o for_o defect_n in_o the_o proof_n themselves_o but_o for_o the_o manner_n of_o they_o to_o wit_n because_o they_o be_v take_v from_o word_n which_o heretic_n will_v expound_v at_o their_o pleasure_n and_o if_o there_o be_v no_o rule_n observe_v in_o expound_v word_n but_o they_o be_v wrest_v at_o every_o one_o fancy_n what_o marvel_n be_v there_o if_o heretic_n can_v be_v convince_v either_o by_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n or_o any_o other_o whatsoever_o moreover_o if_o at_o the_o will_n of_o the_o reader_n or_o hearer_n word_n may_v be_v expound_v either_o proper_o or_o figurative_o he_o that_o tell_v the_o great_a untruth_n may_v be_v think_v to_o tell_v the_o great_a truth_n &_o contrariwyse_o be_v that_o speak_v most_o pious_o may_v be_v judge_v to_o speak_v most_o impious_o hereupon_o say_v 489._o say_v tom._n 2._o fol._n 489._o luther_n if_o this_o licence_n reign_v i_o may_v interpret_v all_o thing_n fit_o whatsoever_o either_o heretic_n or_o the_o devil_n himself_o have_v do_v or_o say_v or_o can_v do_v or_o say_v for_o ever_o where_o then_o shall_v be_v the_o mean_n to_o refel_v a_o heretik_a or_o the_o devil_n and_o 220._o and_o ib_a fol._n 220._o again_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o play_v with_o figure_n at_o pleasure_n without_o yield_v any_o reason_n what_o hinder_v but_o that_o all_o word_n have_v new_a sense_n furthermore_o it_o be_v the_o custom_n or_o heretic_n to_o devise_v figure_n of_o their_o pleasure_n thus_o serap_n thus_o epist_n ad_fw-la serap_n s._n athanasius_n