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A09112 The vvarn-vvord to Sir Francis Hastinges wast-word conteyning the issue of three former treateses, the Watch-word, the Ward-word and the Wast-word (intituled by Sir Francis, an Apologie or defence of his Watch-word) togeather with certaine admonitions & warnings to thesaid [sic] knight and his followers. Wherunto is adioyned a breif reiection of an insolent, and vaunting minister masked with the letters O.E. who hath taken vpon him to wryte of thesame [sic] argument in supply of the knight. There go also foure seueral tables, one of the chapters, another of the controuersies, the third of the cheif shiftes, and deceits, the fourth of the parricular [sic] matters conteyned in the whole book. By N.D. author of the Ward-word. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1602 (1602) STC 19418; ESTC S114221 315,922 580

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of_o belief_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o same_o man_n in_o a_o other_o place_n 1●_n tert
lib_n de_fw-fr praescrip_n contr_n h●r_n cap._n 1●_n fides_n in_o regulae_fw-la posita_fw-la est_fw-la cedat_fw-la curiositas_fw-la fides_fw-la certè_fw-la aut_fw-la non_fw-la obstrepant_fw-la aut_fw-la quiescant_fw-la adversus_fw-la regulam_fw-la etc._n etc._n faith_n consist_v in_o rule_n let_v curiosity_n yield_v to_o faith_n and_o let_v heretic_n either_o not_o prate_v or_o be_v silent_a against_o this_o rule_n so_o say_v he_o and_o in_o a_o other_o place_n if_o say_v he_o we_o will_v doubt_v or_o ask_v question_n in_o matter_n of_o religion_n let_v we_o inquyre_v o●_n our_o own_o man_n to_o wit_n catholykes_n ibid._n ibid._n and_o in_o such_o matter_n as_o salua_fw-la regula_fw-la fidei_fw-la possit_fw-la in_o quaesti●nem_fw-la devenire_fw-la which_o without_o breach_n of_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n may_v be_v call_v into_o controversy_n by_o all_o which_o say_n we_o see_v of_o what_o account_n this_o rule_n of_o faith_n be_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o that_o it_o 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so_o many_o grace_n &_o miracle_n wrought_v in_o error_n so_o many_o priesthood_n and_o mystery_n exercise_v in_o error_n and_o final_o so_o many_o martyrdom_n crown_v by_o error_n etc._n etc._n thus_o far_o and_o much_o far_a pass_v on_o tertullian_n to_o urge_v and_o convince_v the_o heretic_n of_o his_o age_n by_o force_n of_o this_o rule_n deliver_v by_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n receyve_v by_o christendom_n and_o conserve_v by_o the_o apostle_n successor_n unto_o his_o time_n and_o the_o same_o rule_n of_o general_a consent_n deliver_v by_o succession_n of_o bishop_n do_v urge_v all_o old_a ancient_a father_n in_o like_a sort_n each_o one_o in_o his_o age_n after_o tertullian_n 27._o august_n vine_n ly●_n lib._n contr_n heres_fw-la cap._n 27._o but_o in_o steed_n of_o all_o let_v s._n augustine_n be_v red_a urge_v this_o rule_n against_o all_o sort_n of_o heretic_n but_o especial_o and_o more_o large_o against_o the_o donatest_n and_o pelagian_n and_o after_o he_o again_o 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ad_fw-la te_fw-la perductam_fw-la non_fw-la a_o
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absurdum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n what_o a_o absurdity_n be_v that_o for_o money_n we_o trust_v not_o other_o man_n but_o count_v it_o and_o tell_v it_o after_o they_o 13._o chris._n in_o 2._o cor._n hom_n 13._o but_o for_o more_o excellent_a thing_n simple_o to_o follow_v other_o man_n saying_n especial_o fith_v we_o have_v the_o exact_a rule_n and_o balance_n of_o all_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o law_n of_o god_n therefore_o i_o pray_v and_o beseech_v you_o that_o you_o will_v leave_v what_o this_o and_o that_o man_n think_v &_o inquire_v all_o thing_n of_o the_o scripture_n thus_o relate_v he_o s._n chrisostome_n wherein_o true_o there_o be_v so_o many_o fraud_n and_o shifte●_n use_v to_o make_v s._n chrisostome_n seem_v of_o his_o opinion_n as_o be_v strange_a in_o a_o man_n of_o any_o honour_n or_o shamefastness_n and_o the_o great_a fraud_n o●_n all_o be_v to_o pervert_v s._n chrisostoms_n whole_a meaning_n and_o discourse_n who_o handle_v this_o argument_n in_o the_o late_a part_n of_o his_o 13._o homely_a which_o he_o call_v the_o morality_n of_o that_o he_o have_v say_v before_o pervert_v s._n chrisostons_n whole_a argument_n pervert_v to_o wit_n pauperem_fw-la meliori_fw-la esse_fw-la conditione_n quam_fw-la divitem_fw-la that_o the_o poor_a man_n be_v in_o better_a stare_n than_o the_o scotfree_a and_o he_o prefix_v these_o word_n for_o the_o title_n of_o the_o chapter_n which_o be_v a_o christian_a paradox_n as_o you_o see_v he_o prosecute_v thesame_n most_o earnest_o and_o pious_o through_o out_o the_o whole_a chapter_n show_v the_o peril_n of_o the_o scotfree_a &_o security_n of_o the_o poor_a with_o many_o other_o difference_n and_o that_o we_o must_v not_o in_o this_o point_n follow_v the_o common_a opinion_n of_o worldly_a man_n that_o esteem_v riches_n for_o great_a felicity_n but_o attend_v rather_o what_o the_o law_n and_o rule_n of_o christ_n do_v teach_v we_o and_o final_o he_o conclude_v ibidem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la quae_fw-la cum_fw-la ita_fw-la fint_fw-la vulgi_fw-la opiniones_fw-la ne_fw-la circumferamus_fw-la sed_fw-la res_fw-la ipsas_fw-la expen●amus_fw-la an_fw-mi non_fw-la enim_fw-la absurdum_fw-la &_o praeposterum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la nos_fw-la cum_fw-la de_fw-la pecunijs_fw-la agitar_n alijs_fw-la fidem_fw-la non_fw-la habere_fw-la sed_fw-la numero_fw-la &_o cal●ulo_fw-la id_fw-la co●●attere_n cum_fw-la autem_fw-la de_fw-la rebus_fw-la iudicandum_fw-la est_fw-la in_o al●o●um_fw-la opiniones_fw-la temere_fw-la ac_fw-la velut_fw-la obtorto_fw-la collo_fw-la trahi_fw-la ●●que_fw-la cum_fw-la exactam_fw-la rerum_fw-la omnium_fw-la lancem_fw-la &_o amussim_fw-la ba●eamus_fw-la nempe_fw-la devinarum_fw-la legum_fw-la sententiam_fw-la quo●●●avos_n omnes_fw-la rogo_fw-la atque_fw-la obsec●o_fw-la ut_fw-la quid_fw-la hic_fw-la au●_n ille_fw-la de●●●●_n rebus_fw-la sential_a nihil_fw-la morantes_fw-la scripturas_fw-la sacras_fw-la ●de_fw-la en_fw-fr consulatis_fw-la ac_fw-la quae_fw-la verae_fw-la sint_fw-la opes_fw-la cogn●scatis_fw-la which_o word_n true_o english_v do_v sound_a thus_o which_o thing_n concern_v true●riches_n and_o poverty_n see_v they_o be_v so_o as_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v let_v we_o not_o carry_v about_o with_o we_o the_o opinion_n of_o vulgar_a man_n word_n the_o true_a interpretation_n of_o s._n chrisostomes_n word_n but_o let_v we_o examine_v thing_n as_o they_o be_v in_o themselves_o for_o be_v it_o not_o a_o ●bsurd_a &_o preposterous_a thing_n when_o we_o deal_v in_o money_n matter_n not_o to_o trust_v other_o man_n but_o to_o tell_v and_o count_n it_o and_o when_o we_o be_v to_o judge_v of_o thing_n themselves_o to_o suffer_v we_o rash_o and_o as_o it_o be_v with_o a_o wry_a neck_n to_o be_v draw_v into_o other_o man_n opinion_n especial_o where_o as_o we_o have_v that_o exact_a balance_n rule_n &_o square_v of_o all_o thing_n which_o be_v the_o sentence_n or_o determination_n of_o god_n law_n wherefore_o i_o do_v pray_v &_o beseech_v you_o all_o that_o in_o these_o thing_n you_o will_v not_o stand_v upon_o
though_o much_o be_v practise_v as_o to_o our_o grief_n we_o see_v from_o this_o he_o pass_v to_o allege_v certain_a old_a verse_n cite_v by_o kennitius_n as_o true_a a_o writer_n 〈…〉_o as_o he_o say_v in_o a_o stone_n in_o a_o 〈…〉_o the_o bituriges_n in_o aquitany_n 〈…〉_o nothing_o at_o all_o 〈…〉_o only_o exhort_v man_n to_o 〈…〉_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o 〈…〉_o by_o god_n and_o 〈…〉_o of_o scripture_n themselves_o 〈…〉_o our_o knight_n lack_v other_o 〈…〉_o they_o in_o against_o 〈◊〉_d some_o of_o they_o i_o shall_v allege_v hear_v for_o example_n sake_n 69._o 〈◊〉_d pag._n 69._o hic_fw-la des_fw-fr devotè_fw-fr coelestibus_fw-la associate_n mentes_n aegrotae_fw-la per_fw-la munera_fw-la sunt_fw-la tibi_fw-la lotae_fw-la ergo_fw-la veni_fw-la tote_fw-la gentes_fw-la à_fw-la sede_fw-la remotae_fw-la qui_fw-la datis_fw-la estote_fw-la certi_fw-la de_fw-la divite_fw-la dote_v hic_fw-la si_fw-la largè_fw-fr des_fw-fr in_o caelum_fw-la sit_fw-la tua_fw-la sedes_fw-la qui_fw-la serit_fw-la hic_fw-la parcè_fw-la parcè_fw-la comprendit_fw-la in_o arce_fw-la sir_n francis_n his_o translation_n give_v free_o here_o in_o heaven_n a_o place_n prepare_v your_o sickly_a soul_n by_o gift_n clean_o purge_v be_v come_v people_n then_o which_o dwell_v far_o from_o this_o place_n you_o that_o do_v give_v rest_v sure_a of_o much_o grace_n if_o thou_o give_v free_o here_o heaven_n be_v thy_o hire_n he_o that_o give_v little_a shall_v little_o there_o acquire_v these_o verse_n allege_v s_n r._n francis_n to_o make_v sport_n at_o indulgence_n but_o if_o you_o take_v away_o the_o simplicity_n of_o the_o latyn_a and_o poensy_n incident_a to_o that_o age_n they_o contain_v no_o absurdity_n at_o all_o but_o do_v set_v forth_o the_o force_n and_o virtue_n of_o alm_n in_o the_o very_a word_n almost_o that_o be_v find_v in_o scripture_n for_o in_o the_o 〈…〉_o day_n &_o dabitur_fw-la vobis_fw-la etc._n etc._n 〈…〉_o give_v unto_o you_o in_o 〈…〉_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n 〈…〉_o omne_fw-la 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tell_v any_o one_o of_o these_o circumstance_n it_o will_v have_v infringe_v the_o credit_n of_o his_o tale_n 72_o ibid._n pag._n 72_o as_o that_o which_o he_o tell_v of_o one_o tecelius_n the_o pope_n pardon_n merchant_n as_o he_o term_v he_o of_o who_o he_o write_v a_o jest_n how_o he_o be_v deceive_v and_o cozen_v in_o sell_v of_o pardon_n but_o for_o that_o he_o cit_v neither_o author_n book_n time_n nor_o place_n i_o give_v it_o the_o credit_n as_o such_o pulpit_n tale_n of_o sir_n francis_n minister_n do_v require_v that_o old_a objection_n also_o of_o card._n como_n his_o letter_n to_o parry_n wherein_o he_o be_v affirm_v to_o say_v 〈…〉_o pardon_v of_o all_o your_o sin_n as_o 〈…〉_o answer_v for_o first_o it_o be_v 〈…〉_o in_o his_o letter_n to_o pope_n 〈…〉_o from_o paris_n when_o he_o 〈…〉_o 1583._o discover_v not_o 〈…〉_o any_o particular_a enterprise_n 〈…〉_o only_o in_o general_n that_o he_o 〈…〉_o great_a matter_n for_o the_o 〈…〉_o cath._n religion_n for_o recompense_v of_o the_o ●urts_n which_o he_o have_v do_v diverse_a year_n before_o by_o spiery_a for_o the_o state_n of_o england_n and_o this_o appear_v as_o well_o by_o the_o letter_n yet_o extant_a as_o for_o that_o he_o utter_v his_o whole_a plot_n to_o her_o ma_n ●ie_v and_o her_o counsel_n at_o his_o first_o come_v in_o be_v notwithstanding_o favourable_o handle_v for_o a_o great_a space_n until_o fall_v into_o discontentment_n through_o want_n he_o practise_v with_o he_o that_o discover_v his_o teachery_n second_o the_o pope_n grant_n of_o indulgence_n unto_o he_o be_v mean_v only_o with_o due_a circumstance_n if_o he_o be_v contrite_a and_o confess_v of_o his_o sin_n which_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v add_v common_o in_o all_o indulgence_n or_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v understand_v for_o which_o cause_n this_o objection_n be_v to_o no_o purpose_n at_o all_o wherefore_o i_o will_v leave_v of_o in_o this_o place_n to_o speak_v any_o more_o of_o this_o argument_n of_o indulgence_n as_o unable_a to_o be_v 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