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A79520	An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers.	Camm, John, 1604?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969	38,921	53

believe that there is any essential or personal unity between this eternal Spirit and the Saints believers for such unity would either make the Spirit and Believers some third things Rep. Silence Flesh who art in confusion for thou hast nothing to do to talk of Unity nor this eternal Spirit which thou sayest is God and yet there is no eternal Unity with the eternal Spirit Query 2. Whether the Apostles did give a right meaning to the Scriptures when they gave them forth or left them to you to give the meaning of them yea or no Ans And thy answer is That in all the Scriptures they gave forth had a meaning with those Scriptures which they gave forth yet not alwayes so plainly that the meaning thereof might be rightly taken up by those that read them unless compared with some other Scriptures which they also have given out which have plainer sense in them and are helpful to expound them Rep. And hear thou leaves Spirit and thy confused stuff is issued out of thy Bottle who would make the Apostle a lyar who used plainness of speech and so the Scriptures were of no private interpretation nor came not by the will of man which thou in thy will art giving senses unto who sayest it is left to you to find out the sense and meaning who saith the letter contains contradictions thou lyar there is no contradictions in it but the contradictions is in thy self for where the same Spirit is made manifest as was in them that gave forth the Scriptures it owne it without any of thy senses and meanings who art in the number of the Beast here is wisdome let him that hath understanding count the number Obj. And whereas thou sayest Christ commands to search the Scriptures because the meaning lyeth deep in many places yet by searching what Scriptures lay together speak the sense may be gotten out Rep. Here thou art a lyar Did Christ bid them search the Scriptures to find out the sense of the Scriptures Here thou add'st to make people believe that there was life in the Scriptures when Christ saith not so but saith Ye will not come unto me that ye might have life And though they had the letter of the Scripture yet they knew not Christ therefore they were to come to him that they might have life which opens the Scriptures without thy sences or meanings for they had thought to have found life in the Scriptures as thou dost Object Another Scripture thou brings of Christ destroying this Temple and in three daies raise it up again Rep. And thou lyar thou sayest there is a sense in these words did he not speak plainly Here thou shewest thy self to be among them that gave a sence upon his words and could not understand his speech and as they did so dost thou who canst not understand plainness and hast cleared thy self from that Spirit that spoke forth these words and if you had that Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures you need not bring Scripture to interpret Scripture for the same Spirit that gave them forth will open all again but from this Spirit thou hast cleared thy self and thou art unlearned without the life in thy own sense and points Object And again thou sayest they are not left to put your own sense upon them Reply What is it but thy own sence when thou sayest God doth not intend to teach immediate or if it be not immediate it is carnal and natural And the carnal man knows not the things that are of God who lives in thy own sence Quer. 3. Whether plagues be not added to them who adde to the Prophesies written in this Book or whether his name be not to be diminished out of the Book of life who diminisheth or whether you can witness this Name yea or no Ans And thy answer is nothing to purpose or the Book of life or the new name thou shews thy self ignorant of therefore thou art unlearned and must be silent as thou art to it and let the Prophets Christ and the Apostles alone for they all spake by one spirit according to their growth and the fulfilling of the Scriptures Object But thou speaks of an Interpretation that agrees to the spirit of the Scriptures Reply That Interpretation we deny for you would have another Interpretator besides the Spirit and here thou shews thy self to be in thy fancy adding to whom the plagues of God are due who adds another interpretation besides the Spirit and thou art in the nature of all them who thou reckons up which art out of the truth Object Thou accusest the quakers for grand Impostures which they beguile people they bring the letter which serves for their purpose Reply This shall stand for thy own condition for thy impostures we abhor and here thou art a lyar I charge thee in the presence of the Lord as to say we bring the letter which serves for our purpose to deceive the people for every tittle of the Scripture is ours and we own them and do not deceive the people from the truth but such as you call Ministers which make a trade upon the Scriptures and lead people into darkness with your sences upon the Scriptures we deny And so here thou a t found the adder giving sences and meanings according to the Spirit as thou sayest and here thou makest it manifest that it is thy self that interprets and not the Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures which Spirit opens them again Object And thou sayest the sufficiency of the Scriptures do build men up to salvation Rep. Here thou set'st the Scripture before God and Christ who is the Saviour and perverts it had'st thou said they were able to make one wise to salvation through Faith in Christ Jesus but there thou art diminishing as to say the Scripture is sufficient to build men up to salvation Que. 4. Whether you have an infallible judgment to judg of things eternal yea or no Ans Thou sayest every man is darkness Rep. And there thou art in thy first estate who hath uttered forth many words to this Query out of thy confused mind Obj. Thou sayest them that the Apostles said knew all things which was but an hyperbolical expression and did import only much knowledg to be in them Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a perverter of the Apostles words and one that addeth John speaks no such word as hyperbolical therefore let thou John's words alone Here all may see whether thou speakest by the spirit or no. Object And thou sayest they that had received the Vnction had not an infallible judgment Rep. And here let all people take notice what thou speak'st from and yet thou sayest though they had the Spirit which if they have the Spirit to judg withal the judgment is infallible and thou belyes them and wrongs them for they knew the truth and that there was no lye of it and then they had an

carnal who hath nothing but the letter to judg withal and hast denied the eternal spirit which judgeth all things Query 15. What are the Ordinances which are ordained of God that those which you call Quakers deny or when did God command you to observe them as to sprinkle infants to pray before and after Sermons as you call them or to set times and daies and hours which was in the Generation wh●●h was enemies to Christ who observed such things Query 16. Where these Ordinances of God be which you speak of and where God commanded them and to whom which you say them you call Quakers deny mention them in particular and declare them openly in writing and give our accusing Ans In thy answer to these two Queries thou sayest we are against ●ll outward teaching Reply We are against a publike prayer which is in the state of the Phar●●e●s which Christ forbids but the praying with the Spirit we own and we are against sprinkling Infants for there is no Scripture for it but the Baptism of the Spirit we own and we are against all your singing Davids quakings tremblings prayers praises and prophesi●s in M●eter but the singing with the Spirit we own and all your performing Religion in your set hours daies and times we are against for that which is pure performs Religion and this is the pure Religion which keeps unspotted from the world therefore we do declare against your Traditions not to be Ordinances of Christ but the Ordinances of Christ we own Object And something in answ●r to your own practise concerning sprinkling of Infants is this First for the act of sprinkling thou sayest something may be held forth though you use it not Reply And here thou art confused you would go to hold up something for your own practise and yet thou sayest you do not use it Object And thou bringest the bloud of Christ which is called the bloud of sprinkling and thou sayest seeing water in Baptism be sprinkled and the subject types of Christs bloud Reply Here thou hast made this tipe Christ made it not neither is there any such types made in the Scripture neither any such seal as sprinkling infants Object And thou sayest as for sprinkling Infants something may be held forth for it the bloud of Christ called the bloud of sprinkling Rep. Here thou would'st set the sprinkling of Infants above the Bloud of Christ and make the bloud of Christ of none effect and make the bloud of Christ a figure of sprinkling Infants but the bloud of Christ we own and deny thee and thy holdings forth who would make the substance a figure or a type sprinkling Infants and many Scriptures you bring but not a word to justifie sprinkling Infants and fain you would bring some Scriptures to cover thee but there is not one will witness thee in the Scriptures for sprinkling Infants Object And whereas thou bring'st Gen. 17. ver 7. as concerning God establishing his promise to his seed Rep. Thou lyar here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to pervert the Scriptures doth that Scripture speak of sprinkling Infants there is not such a word in it who makes people blind like thy self and would'st make them but God hath raised up a light in the hearts of his people that doth discover thee Object And thou bring'st Exod. 12.48 which there is not a word in it to justifie sprinkling Infants and thou bring'st Deut. 19.10.11 Jer. 31.34 Rep. I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for in all these Scriptures there is not a word that speaks of sprinkling Infants but thou lyar and Sorcerer goes about to bewitch people with thy Inchantments but thy Whoredoms are di●covered and Acts 22.16 thou pervertest there is not a word in it of sprinkling Infants and Acts 2.38 which thou would'st pervert And here again I charge thee to be a lyar for those Scriptures do not speak of sprinkling Infants and to the state of Simon Magns thou art not yet come to witness that Baptism as he did but art in thy Sorcery and so as thou made a type thou art now making Seals and Covenants and thy sprinkling Infants is a Seal of thy Covenants which there is not a word in Scripture for Again Gen. 17.7 thou perverts the Scriptures to maintain sprinkling Infants which there is not a word in Scripture to justifie it and Rom. 4.11 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Heb. 10.16 thou bring'st to justifie sprinkling Infants which there is not one word for it and Jer. 33.33 thou bring'st to justifie it where there is not so many verses in it not 33. Col. 2.11 thou bring'st also to justifie sprinkling Infants which speaks not one word for it and Exod. 12.48 over again once would have served thee to prove thy self a lyar and Deut. 9.10.11 thou bring'st over again to prove thy self a lyar withal for there is not one word to justifie it and thou bring'st Mat. 7.4 for the application of Water and here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and a wrester and a perverter of the Scriptures for not one word in all these Scriptures doth speak of sprinkling infants who would have a cl●ak but canst get none and calls these the Ordinances of Christ which are none for the Ordinances of Christ we own and Baptism we own but thy Traditions we deny Object And in thy answer concerning praying afore and after Sermon Rep. Thou bring'st the Saints conditions the Apostles praying and the Saints to justifie thy own who a●t in the state of the Pharisees and so puts no difference between the holy and prophane betwixt the precious and the vile and so shews thy self to be a false Prophet among the false Prophets for as thou confesses thou never heard the Voice of God and denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to pray or talk of the Church of Christ the Apostles conditions who hast shewed thy self to be an hypocrite for God hears not hypocrites and we do believe and know that you never heard his Voice and here thou sh●west thy prayers are abomination to him therfore I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to let the Saints conditions and prayers alone for God heareth the righteous but accepts not the prayers of the wicked who art not come so far as Balaam for he heard the Voice of God therefore because the Saints prayed which you would bring their conditions for thy praying afore and after Sermon and there is no Scripture will cloke you Object And whereas thou sayest women are not suffered to teach Rep. And did not Christ send a woman to teach and did he not say his Daughters shall Prophecy thou art the woman that art forb●dden to teach who confesses you never heard Gods Voice nor immediate inspiration therefore silence flesh before the Lord but the Apostles and Saints praying we own

Object And whereas thou sayest we are against that which the Saints used Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lyar for the Saints practises we own but thy performances we deny Object And thou sayest we might be convinced that you are not in the condition of the Jews hours and prayers Rep. We find you in the same nature though under another colour and enemies to Christ Object And thou brings Acts 3. Rep. That will fit and maintain thee in the Jews estate all people take notice the Apostles did not go up to uphold the Jews hours and prayers but to bring them off those things and here thou hast uttered forth thy folly Object And thou sayest They strike at godliness Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of God to be a lyar Object And whereas thou sayest If they can but destroy all forms the power will fall with it Rep. And here thou hast uttered forth thy folly indeed and blasphemy as though the form was before the power and here thou hast shewed thou hast no power but the form as the Apostles speaks of so thou plead'st for daies and hours and moneths which the Apostles speaks against And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Doctrine of the Apostles and the Lords day we own f●r all is the Lords and the Saints meeting we own but thine we do deny who denies immediate inspiration And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles meeting the first day of the week and worship of God who denies immediate inspiration and hearing Gods voice and denies immediate teaching for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth and that thou canst not who denies immediate teaching thou hast got a likeness of a Church and so imitates the Apostles meetings the first day of the week and so hast got the form and not the power and because the Saints meet on the first day from their words thou gathers likeness which is forbidden and what Scriptures hast thou that it is named the Lords day when the Supper is nominated the Supper of the Lord we own and the day of the Lord but thou knowest nothing of the Supper of the Lord nor the day Obj. And in thy answer thou would'st make people believe we deny prayer Rep. And in that thou art a lyar and what hast thou to do to talk of Abraham and holy men of God who denies hearing the Voice of God and denies immediate Inspiration which the holy men of God witnessed Object And thou talk'st of Jacob purging away the Idols and reforming his family Rep. O man look at home and pu●ge away the Idols from thy self for David and Jacob we own and do witness and the Saints will not deny prayers but such as thine who prayest and never heard the Voice of God nor immediate inspiration as thou hast confest it and dost not look for it and what good will all thy prayers do thee evening and morning we witness the Apostles words pray alwayes and praise with the spirit and understanding Here thou hast shewed thy self as the Priests of Baal who cut themselves who fasts and yet thou sayest let us seek Gods face in prayer and denies hearing Gods Voice Query 17. Whether do you not seduce the people to draw them from the anoynting within them when John saith They need no man to teach them but as the anoynting and the promise was eternal life to him that did abide in the anoynting Ans In thy answer to this Query thou sayest the word that Christ preached was outward Rep. And here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar for he said the word which he spoke was spirit and life and here thou draws people from the anointing to the Satanical delusion as thou calls it and publishes lies Obj. And thou sayest John's Ministry was outward and yet he came in the spirit and power Reply What confused stuff is this Here I charge thee again to be a lyar John's teaching we witness and Christs teaching we witness and deny thine which is outward and thou must needs be there for thou denyes immediate inspiration who draws people from the inward to the outward Here thou shews what thou art if there had been no reply and who puts no difference betwixt ears for there are ears and hears not and there are ears which hear and here thou shews thy self to be a false prophet who saith they are seduced which are drawn from the external means which is earthly let all people see if you be not that wi●ch that the Scripture speaks of that bewithed the Galatians in drawing them from the spirit within to observe circumcision without them who draws to the external who saith to wait for the receiving of the Spirit without any word is delusion Here thou goes about to make the Word and the Spirit two Obj. And thou sayest One was newly redeemed out of the hellish captivity Reply He is fit to be Ambassador of thy Church a drunkard one of thy redeemed ones There was a Warrant granted out against him for drunkenness fence he was redeemed as thou calls it Obj. And thou pleads much for mans teaching Reply Here thou shews plainly that thou art a Minister made by the will of man when Paul declares that he was not made a Minister by the will of man but by the will of God and here thou hast cleared thy self plainly from being a Minister made by the Will of God or taught of him Obj. And thirdly thou sayest The words You need not any man teach you but as the anointing teacheth you is an byperbolycal expression Reply Here I charge thee again to pervert the Apostles words Obj. And thou sayest the Apostle tells them they knew all things and thou sayest is is an excessive speech Reply And so thou goes about to make the Apostle a lyar and are giving a meaning to his words and wouldest give a comparative senc● as thou callest it to it and here thou shewest openly that thou dost both add wrest and pervert the Apostles words who shews thy self openly to be deceived who art giving private interpretations to the Scripture when the Scripture saith there is none and thou art perverting the Lords words who saith they shall all know him from the greatest to the least they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother for they shall all know me from the greatest to the least of them saith the Lord. Obj. And thou sayest there is no such measure of the spirit that can thrust out outward teaching while we are here Reply Here thou high blasphemer hast denyed the everlasting Covenant of God and while thou art there thou shalt never know it Obj. And thou sayest there is no such Scripture as to abide in the anointing that the Promise was Eternal life to him that did Reply And here thou dost neither understand the anointing nor the

that thou car'st oppose him who said they was called of men Master have the chiefest places in the Assemblies stand praying in the Sinagogues and thus he shews to the multitude how they may be known and here thou art known and seen who would justifie that which Christ cried against in thy ambition and saith you have not cause to reject those things he cried woe against as to be called of men Master and have the chiefest places in the Assemblies those things spoke Jesus to the multitude and the multitude seeing his word as thou may'st read in Mat. 23. if you will own the Scriptures to be truth and thou bring'st Philip and the Goalor came to Paul and Silas and said Sirs and these words thou bring'st to oppose Christs words who said be ye not called of men Masters And here thou declar'st rhy self to be an open Antichrist who opposes Christ I charge thee in the presence of the Lord for Christ saith be not ye called of men Master for ye have one Master even Christ and all ye are Brethren and thou bring'st the Goalors words to oppose Christ Acts 16.30 Christs Doctrine denied to be called of men Master Object And thou sayest That in Mat. 23. those words will stand us in no steed which were Christs words Rep. Here thou dost say Christs words will stand us in no stead thou deniest his Doctrine and teacheth for Doctrine the Traditions of men and there thou shewest another Doctrine which is damnable and cursed Object And thou sayest The title of Mastery is a civil respect and importts a civil honour Rep. Here thou shewest the Master thou serves who denies the Doctrine of Christ and how canst thou believe which seeks honour of another Object And whereas thou sayest It is a meer slander to speak against them who have the chiefest places in the Assemblies and art called of men Master Rep. Here thou might'st as well call Christ a slanderer who spoke against all those things which thou seek'st to justifie in the sight of the world but in the sight of God is condemned and of all who are of God and by them thou art judged Object And whereas thou sayest The Apostle saith giving honour go one before another Rep. What hast thou to do to talk of the Apostle who denies the same teaching to be now as was then for the condition we own which must be honoured But thou hast declared thou never heard'st Gods voice nor waits for it and so declares thy self to be a Heathen that knows not God to whom he will render vengeance in flam●s of fire and that is not honoured of God nor none of his but we honour all men in the Lord. Obj. And whereof thou accusest us of destroying relation Reply All such relations as is contrary to Christ and his Doctrine we d●ny And who would take the ●itle from Christ to be called of men Master and layest thou wilt not reject it h●re thou shews forth thy presumption to be called of m●n Master let all people see if you own that Christ which the Scripture sp●aks of who forbad it Mat 23. Bu● you would take the title from him who art for destruction who shews that Christ never sent thee for if he had you would abide in his Doctrine which thou dost deny and who takes the Apos●l●s words to just●fie that to oppose Christs words who spoke to them that were in the state of servants and Masters Earth makes Masters but the time will come as with the Master so with the servant he that can receive it let him as Philemon Paul's doctrine to him who can receive it may Quer. 19. Whether a man shall ●v●r grow up that he need no man teach him under your Ministery yea or no seeing the Apostle saith You need no man teach you and you which have been long teachers how many have you brought up in this condition Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou sayest Such opposition as excludes all humane helps you do confess That no man is ever like to grow up so high Reply Here thou art not so far as some of thy fellows for they deny humane helps though they be in the same nature that t●ou art in and he that grows up in perfection grows out of ignorance and humane helps the Ap●stles said they knew all things but this thou hast denyed and calls it an hyperbolyc●l expression Obj. And thou sayest they may grow in a sence under teaching of Ministers among you to know all the truths of the Gospel and yet thou denyes immediate inspiration and the same teaching ●ow as was then and yet thou sayest in a comparative sence they may not need teachers Reply This is thy sence who hast denied the Doctrine of C●●●●nd thy confused stuff which comes out of thy bottle and Peters Ex●ortation and Pauls thou hast chared thy self from for thou sayest the same t●●chings are not now ●s w●re 〈◊〉 and th● Church of Christ we d●●●●itness to be he p●liar and ground 〈◊〉 truth which you ha●e c●ared your selves from and ●●om the Teachers Past●●s and Elders of it who s●i●● there is none such now as were th●● wh● would mak● truth changeable and 〈◊〉 thou art a 〈◊〉 in thy own g●n●ra●ion who knows not God manifested in flesh just●fi●d inspirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world Obj. And you say you have answered our questions agreeable to the Scriptures Reply There is another lye let the reader read them and prove whether thou hast not spoken contrary to the Scriptures and all thy consequences and sences are contradicted with us and den●●d and trampled upon with all knowing Christians who are in Christ and thou art he whose desire is to destroy the Scriptures who would subvert the faith of the Gosp●l who leads people captive after thy own delusions who hast denied Pastors teachers and Officers now as in the time of the Aposti●s and here you have cleared your selves to be no Pastors no E●●●rs no Offic●rs but a likeness or an imag● which Go● forb●ds for thou sayest there is not any suc● Officers P●stor and teachers as was then then you are 〈◊〉 ●alse and to b● denyed who are contrary to the Scriptures for with it you are proved and with the life judged and your prayers we d●ny for God hath opened our eyes by which 〈…〉 you del●●ed poor creatures who are thus sold under d●●usion as thou 〈…〉 and Gods E●ection thou knows noth●ng of but are s●a●●d and ●●p 〈◊〉 by the Devil who art led captive for the present after his will this all who are in the Eternal light there will thee see ANd Eaton thou saith these things thou hast pres●nted for this end and purpose to obstruct their way and stop their further proceedings that their imposture might prevail no longer Here thou hast digged a pit and art fallen into it and laid a snare and art taken I take all the children of light

An Answer to a Book WHICH SAMVEL EATON Put up to the PARLIAMENT Which he saith he is a Teacher of the Church of Christ heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stockport in Cheshire And he cals the Title of his Book QUAKERS CONFUTED Moses who was a Judg quaked and trembled David a King in Israel quaked and trembled and Solomon who was a King trembled and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled and Jer. the Lords Prophet his bones shaked and Habak a Prophet of the Lord his lips quivered and his belly shoke and Paul a Minister made by the will of God trembled and Job the servant of the most high God who saw God trembled And these saw God and many other of our Witnesses vve might bring And these heard the voice of God and thou that writest thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them for he that is against them is against us and he that is against us is against them for the same power is witnessed b●t thou Eaton who saith thou art a Teacher of the Church at Duckenfield who saith thou hast not heard the voice of the living God and that such a voice as this as comes immediately from God you have not heard and such an inspiration as this you have not received nor do you wait for it And Isaiah saith Hear the Word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his Word and this is the man that I do regard saith the Lord that is of a contrite heart and trembleth at my Word but such Eaton and his Church doth not regard but custs out friends of the Lord from them whom the world calls QUAKERS London Printed for Giles Calvert at the black Spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1654. To the Reader WEe hearing of a Paper which was sent to a Member of a Church as they call it at Duckenfield or that ways of which one Eaton is the Pastor and in that Paper we find many slanderous speeches and false accusations against us whom the world scornfully calls Quakers So the Paper being sent to us we seeing many lies and false reports we wrote some things to the paper to clear our selves from lies and slanders And that generation which ever doth lye and slander and sent it back to the Church as they call it and certain Queri●s to be answered For had the Church or the Pastor of it as they call it sent the Paper to us it had been honest but writing to others not sending to us we see the deceit that would slander the innocent privily but to us it is none because it doth not touch us And the said Church and Eaton which the Queries were sent to have writ forth a Book and sent to the Parliament and so not sent it to us Let all people take notice if here be not pride and hypocrisie Had they sent it to us it had been honest and in it we find much wresting of the Scripture multitudes of conceivings and consequences and contradicting Christs words and Gods words which were spoken forth by his Prophets as hereafter shall be made appear An Answer to a BOOK Entitled The QUAKERS CONFUTED A Reply to the Answers of some Queries in a Book entitled the Quakers confuted set forth by Samuel Eaton a Teacher of the Church of Christ as he saith heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stopworth in Cheshire which was directed to the Parliament of this Nation sitting at Westminster To them I find much flattering and crouching but under whose tongue there is venome under a colour as contending for the faith which he knows nothing of and them that do will trample his dirty stuff under their feet and the said Eaton under a colour would make people believe he appears for God and Christ yet his intent is to persecute and incense and provoke people to wrath against those people he calls Quakers but the Lord is their defence and heard such in all Ages as in the dayes of Isaiah David and the rest who were of a contrite and humble spirit and t●embled at his word which the Lord would not despise but regard but the world would not but despise as Eaton and the world doth now Object O Eaton thou lyar Doth Paul and Christ compare them that trembled at the Word of the Lord as wolves and Satan transforming himself into an Angel of light and so into Ministers of Righteousness Reply O thou lyar Doth Satan transform himself into Ministers of Righteousness Here I charge thee in the Presence of the Lord to be a lyar and perverts the Apostles words they may transform them as the Ministers of Righteousness but not into Ministers of Righteousness and this is thy Quakers confuted Object And thou sayest that John makes them all Antichrists Reyly This shall stand for thy own condition who doth oppose Christ as thou declares in this Book and as touching Satans transforming himself into an Angel of light this is thy own condition and into the Ministers of righteousness as thou sayest here thou hast uttered forth thy lyes And on touching Christs call ng them wolves that is thy own condition who art making war against the Lambs of Christ and be silent and slander thou not the Church of Christ he need not have an outward power to maintain it that is dispersed abroad in this Land which doth torment thee for its the pillar and ground of truth Object Which sows much corrupt seed Reply This is thy own condition as thou hast shewed in this Book but that which thou calls corrupt is the Seed of God and God will judge thee for thy blasphemy who art in errour In this Book thou hast sown thy corrupt seed Object Doctrine of Seducers Reply This is thy own condition for such practises we do abhor and how fain wouldest thou raise a persecution and shew your selves zealous of his glory in these things and saith the Lord will bless you hence-forward And the Magistrate is for praise to good works and a terrou● to evil works then will it take hold upon thee thou envious man who art seeking after blood as all thy generation did Object Whereof thou art accusing Apostacy from the true God from the true faith and from the true word Reply This is thy own condition Object And thou sayest If there be sorcery and familiarity with the Devil to be found among a people who challenge propriety in God Reply This is thy own condition for them whom thou calls Quakers doth own the true faith and true Christ and true God and denys all such filthy things Object First thou accusest them and saith That it is held forth much of their doctrine and practises concerning revelations and immediate voyces and against the holy Scriptures Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances Reply And these are all lies for Revelations we own according to the Scriptures and immediate voyces Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances we own according to the Scriptures And O man lay thy hand upon

infallible judgment and the Apostles said they knew all things Obj. And thou sayest it did but import much knowledg Rep. And here thou would'st make the Apostle a lyar and the Scripture false Obj. And thou sayest neither you nor any other hath an infallible judgment in all things Rep. Here thou hast cleared thy self from the spiritual man who judgeth all things and hath an infallible judgment Obj. And again Thou sayest in all things and at all times but you are subject to errour in many things you do not apprehend to speak right of God of Christ of the Spirit of the Saints and of your selves and of the Mystery of the Gospel Rep. And here again thou hast cleared thy self who doth not apprehend and speak aright of God Christ the Spirit Saints your selves and of the mystery of the Gospel Let all people take notice whether thou hast not cleared thy self from God Christ the Spirit the Saints and the Mystery of the Gospel Obj. And thou sayest you do not apprehend your selves Rep. Let all people take notice and see if you be a fit man to preach who cannot apprehend to speak right of God of Christ of the Spirit of the Saints and of the mystery of the Gospel and thou hast confessed it and openly shewed thy self to be a natural man that knows not the things of God who cannot speak aright of God as thou sayest and that which is not right is wrong and the Spirit of Errour which thou sayest ye are subject to Obj. Thou sayest there may be an infallible judgment which may be made from the Scripture without the Spirit Rep. This is thy judgment like unto the Jews who had the Letter but not the spirit who judged Christ to be a devil and so here are the fruits of thy manners and Doctrine as thou call'st them and thy pretending truth much confused stuff here is in this answer as thou call'st it and yet thou confessest an infallible judgment which cannot be made without the Spitit but that Spirit is without them Obj. And in some things thou sayest you have an infallibility but this is the confusion that the Scripture is the foundation of an infallible judgment concerning things contained in them and not the Spirit Rep. Here thou would'st make people believe that the Scripture was before the Spirit and so shews thy self to be natural and carnal and shews thy self ignorant of that Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures which is the Judg of all Errour and such as shews forth the Spirit of Errour Que. 5. Whether you be above the Apostle and able to judg his condition because you say he was not perfect who said he spoke wisdome among them that were perfect Ans And in thy answer thou sayest Paul denied perfection and thou deniest perfection Rep. Thou lyar where did Paul ever deny perfection and here you sit as Judges and when Paul spoke Let us as many as are perfect be true minded he did not speak only of himself neither did he speak of comparative perfection which thou sayest some attained unto And here I charge thee again to add to the Scriptures and perverts the Apostles words for he spoke plainly Stand perfect and compleat in all the will of God and be perfect but he doth not speak of a comparative perfection Obj. And thou brings the words of the Apostle James who saith He that can bridle his tongue is a perfect man Rep. He saith so but thou saith not absolutely perfect Here again thou perverts the Apostles words and would make him a lyar and that Scripture false but thou art the lyar and art for the Lake that burneth with fire and brimstone Obj. And thou sayest The heart may be unruly though the tongue be restrained and such thou sayest are comparatively perfect Rep. Where there is no such thing mentioned in the Scripture as comparative perfection but it is thy coyned words added to the Scriptures and the plagues will be added to thee Obj. And thou sayest among such perfect ones Paul speaks wisdom but not amongst absolute perfectists Rep. Paul saith he spoke wisdom among them that were perfect and thou sayest not amongst absolute perfectists Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be the lyar but thou would'st make the Apostle a lyar Obj. And thou sayest it is a senseless foolish question because we ask you whether you be above the Apostles condition Rep. Seeing you sit as Judges of his condition as you have made it appear perverting his words and would make him a lyar Que. 6. Whether you have the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world was which the Apostles speak of yea or no Some things in reply to thy answer of this Query Now thou sayest if Christ be this hidden wisdome the question runs of Christ whether you be or no our answer runs to this Ans And here you have shewed forth your self and cannot confess the hidden wisdom as the Apostles did with that they had and so have given no answer to the Query but hast given forth many words and saith we do imagine many things of Christ and of God and his flesh Rep. But that is thy own condition who art in thy imaginations for we deny thee and them both who hath put these lyes upon us for neither Christ nor God nor Scriptures are known by imaginations Object And thou speak'st of Christ within them teaching them Rep. That is witnessed and where he is grace is and strength and holiness and the spiritual man need not any external thing to lead the spirit and so all thy external Ordinances and external Teachings we utterly deny but the Scriptures we own and the Ordinances of Christ in their place and here thou hast shewed forth thy venom Object And thou sayest Christ within them is sufficient for all things and to have no teachers but Christ this we assume not nor dare and we declare against it as a satanica delusion that these poor creatures are in which confess Christ is sufficient for all things Rep. All who are in light may see what utter darkness thou lives in who would have Christ sufficient for all things and all purposes and the Scripture saith he is all in all and thou art in the estate of thy first parents as thou calls it and a servant to thy Master Que. 7. Whether you have heard the voice of the living Lord God of heaven and earth or whether you do not take the Prophets words Christs words and the Apostles words and say it when saith the Lord I never spoke to you Ans Our answer is this That such a Voice as this as comes immediately from God we have not heard and such an inspiration as this we have not received nor do we wait for it Rep. Here thou shewest thy self one that runs before thou art sent and one that useth thy tongue and no Minister of God and thy self to be a Heathen not hearing his voice who

your preaching tend thither and you say you do not preac● that Christ which you have seen with your bodily eyes for Christ is in heaven and not in earth not any other that lives upon earth hath heard of him and seen him Rep. O thou dark Sot Does any see Christ with their carnal eyes and know him Was it not said to the Apostle that flesh and bloud had not revealed it unto him w●en he said Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God and from this Revelation thou hast cleared thy self Ob. And thou sayest That Christ is in heaven and not in earth Rep. And here thou hast cleared thy self to be a Reprobate Ob. And thou sayest How shall they preach except they be sent Rep. And before thou denied'st as hearing any voice from heaven and denied immediate inspiration and how dost thou exalt Christ and knows him not and the framing of a Christ shall stand for thy own condition who art without and Saul seeing Samuel indeed saw the Devil and talked with him and had fellowship with him but saw not Samuel Ob. And thou sayest You do not give your assurance but you conceive Rep. Let all people see if thy preaching be not phancy and no assurance and to be scattered among the proud who live in their imaginations and conceivings and hast cleared thy self from the eternal Spirit and canst give no testimony of that which was from the beginning Ob. And thou sayest Thou givest not thine own assurance but you conceive and speak of the Apostles assurance Rep. Let the Apostles assurance alone for that we own who wi●ness assurance but deny thy conceivings Query 10. Whether you have this word which was from the beginning and this Life manifest unto you which was to the Apostl●s and if it be why do you take a text from the Letter and preach from it and shew the people that letter Ans And thy answer is Th●s Word and this Life which is Christ made manifest in the flesh and thou sayest The design in this question is to draw all persons from all that is written to depend upon an unwritten word something within them the word from the beginning and is the Life and is manifest as they gave it out Rep. This word is owned among them you call Quakers which was from the beginning which all the Apostles spoke from which is immediate which thou hast cleared thy self from and shews that thou hast nothing but the letter which is death and feeds people with that Object And thou sayest this sort of men which hath the immediate word doth the divel shew his spite spleen and malice against the holy Scriptures Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and in that state thy self for where the immediate word is which was in the beginning which gave forth the Scriptures it owns every tittle of it again and many Scriptures hast thou wrested for the taking of a Text which Christ and the Apostles spoke of the fulfilling of the Scriptures and shewed the fulfilling of the Scriptures and to bring men to Christ out of the letter into that thing the letter speaks of that they might not live in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the spirit Ob. And thou sayest you take a text because the whole w●ll of God and mind of Christ is left you in letters which is now left us in words and letters in the Evangelists and Apostles writings and so you take a text from the letter and if the Gospel be hid it is hid from you that are lost whom the God of the world hath blind●d the mind of them that believe not Rep. Here thou speak'st thou know'st not what for if all should have been written which Christ spoke forth the world could not contain the books that might have been written of him and many could speak of his word but had not his mind therefore they persecuted him as thou dost and there thou shewest thy self to be him whom the God of the world hath blinded the mind who hath the letter of the Gospel but not that which it speaks of the Gospel the glad tydings the Son that was given but that is without thee and the letters of it thou hast but not the Gospel Object And thou sayest Saints do not as yet see Christ and yet Abraham saw his daies Rep. What confused stuff is this that comes out of thy bo●tle these are thy Saints which do not see Christ and how dost thou exalt him The Saints witness Christ in them the mystery the hope of glory but thou hast cleared thy self from this Christ from this mystery from this hope of glory to be a Reprobate and an Anti-christ and from the faith of Abraham Query 11. And shew me where the Prophets did take a text and preach from it but only Christ read a place and said it was fulfilled who said he was anoynted to preach and which of you can witness you are anoynted to preach by the living God yea or no Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou speak'st whom God calls out to be to the body in place of eyes to guide and direct them and before you denyed as hearing any such voyce as from God Reply Here all people may see thy folly and thou dost not say that you are anointed to preach by the living God or how canst thou who hast denyed his voyce or immediate inspiration Obj. And thou sayest the Prophets did take no text but laid the foundation Reply And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Prophets Christ the Foundation and though Christ did read who fulfilled the Prophets who prophesied of him and Moses who wrote of him for he was the substance and the end and though they had Synagogues and Temple and Sabbath Day to read Moses the Law and the Prophets When Christ was come and sacrificed up and who believed and received him had received the end of the Law the end of the Prophets and the end of the Sabbath and they went into the Synagogues shewing the people the substance of what they had read and to bring them of the Temple the Sabbath days and observing of times which in all thy words thou clearest thy self from that life and doctrine but would keep people in observing of days and times and places and so shews thy self in the dark generation living long in a text and not witnessing it fulfilled as Christ did Obj. And thou sayest Christ might have discoursed of a subject many months who came to fulfil what was written of him Reply Here you would make Christ like thy self who art unlearned discoursing with thy carnal mind upon that which was given forth by an Eternal Spirit who art for death and destruction Quer. 12. Tell me why you sing Davids Conditions and Experiences in Moeter and when you read them hats you put on and when you sing them hats you put off Ans And thy

answer is Davids Conditions and Experien●e● are many times your own Reply And before thou denyes as hearing Gods voyce and how ca●st thou know Davids conditions who heard the voyce of God in the holy Temple and thou denyes hearing of Gods voyce but abundance of words thou hast heaped up together and wouldest make the Saints singing like thine who sung with the spirit and with understanding Obj. And again thou sayest God would have you in your meetings to rejoyce Reply Thou lyar How knowest thou the mind of God and never heardst his voyce who hist openly shewed thy self to be a Heathen who knows not God who knows nothing of the rejoycing and singing in spirit and what hast thou to do to talk of the Church of God which is the pillar and ground of truth who denyes the voyce of God and immediate inspiration which is both in the Church of God Obj. And as concerning putting on hats when you read and putting them off when you sing Then sayest you shall not much contest Reply Then you must confess it to be a tradition and that you worship the works of your own hands and yet thou goest about to justifie it who art mudled in thy confused generation who would have the hat put off when thou prayest with a part of the scripture and when thou readest part of the scripture to put thy hat on See if this be not thy own tradition Obj. And as for singing Davids Psalms in meeter thou sayest the Hebrews had their Poetry and it is sutable for every Nation to have their own Poet and particular Poetry to themselves to praise God and Meeter is congruous as thou sayest to our English Poetry Reply And this is all thy conjured stuff and likenesses who give● every Nation liberty who art in the Nations and stands up for thy own who hast cleared thy self from the spirit which the Saints sung withall in understanding who comes to be redeemed from Nations which yet thou art in and languages in the customes of the Nations which who sing prayses to God are redeemed from and so thou maintains thy own customs and traditions but the Church of God slander not for they deny your Customs and your Ordinances which God never commanded and there is no difference between your postures and the worlds nor your singing and the worlds but there is a difference between your singing and the Saints which knew God and heard his voyce and sung with the spirit but thou hast denyed the immediate inspiration of the spirit and so thou caust not sing with that spirit the Saints sung withall Quer. 13. Whether you do know the voyce of Christ from the voyce of a stranger My sheep know my voyce saith Christ seeing you are so forward to judge and sit as Judges of the Saints conditions Ans And thy answer is That which Christ preached and the Prophets and Apostles which is left upon record which you have in the Scriptures that is that voyce of Christ and with it you are able to distinguish from the voyce of a stranger Reply Here you shew your selves that you have the form but not the power for many come to speak the Prophets words and use their tongues and say he saith when saith the Lord I never spoke to them and this is your condition who hath the letter as the Jews had which knew not the voyce of Christ nor with the letter can you know his voyce and there you are Obj. And thou sayest this immediate voyce you have not heard neither do you know it within your selves experimentally neither do you wait for it for you know it is not the voyce of Christ Reply Here you have cleared your selves from the voyce of Christ and to be strangers which never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate for you deny hearing this immediate voyce within and so denyes Christ to be within and shew your selves to be reprobates And you shew your selves to be in the state of the Jews which knew not the voyce of Christ which was immediate but judged it to be of the Devil as you do Obj. And this immediate voyce you bless your selves from and say It is the voyce of the Devil and say you have never heard the Devils voyce nor seen his shape and yet you plead for sin as long as you are here Reply And is not sin the shape of the Devil and you that plead for sin that is the voyce of the Devil in you and not the voyce of Christ for the voyce of Christ testifies against all sin and here you shew that you never heard the voyce of Christ which is immediate but only hath the letter as the devil hath to bring and the form and calls that the Voice of Christ and here you shew your selves to be natural men not knowing any thing of the immediate Voice of Christ but judgeth it of the devil Query 14. Whether that within you which judgeth be eternal and infallible yea or no Ans And thy answer is That that Spirit which we profess to be the Spirit of Christ is that Spirit of delusion which doth all things in us Rep. O thou deceiver who knows not the letter doth not the Scriptures say they were led by the Spirit and the fruits of the Spirit and the Comforter which was to come should lead them into all truth and they denied themselves with the Spirit for doing any thing and here thou hast cleared thy self from the Spirit of Christ and art in thy own Spirit of Errour Object Thou sayest though the Spirit of Christ which i● eternal and infallible dwell in the Saints yet it must not judg of persons and things after an infallible manner that they should neither say nor do nor judg any thing by any understanding of their own but this Spirit this we do deny for the Apostle speaks of himself When he would do good evil is present Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be pleading for the Devil and self and denies the Spirit of Christ and shews thy self to be in the state of the Wolves which Christ speaks of which should come in sheeps cloathing who hath shewed forth thy fruit to be of the corrupt tree who hath cleared thy self from the spiritual man which judgeth all things Object And thou speakest of Antichrists denying the Father and the Son and false Teachers bringing in damnable heresies denying the Lord that bought them Rep. These words shall stand for thy self which thou accusest others withal for thou hast denied as hearing any immediate Voice from God from heaven or any immediate inspiration of the Spirit and here thou hast denied both the Father and the Son for his voice is immediate and he that hath the Son hath the Father also and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life He that hath an ear to hear let him hear and in thy answer to this Query thou shewest thy self to be

Scripture Quer. 18. Whether you do not bewitch the people and draw them from the Spirit of God within you to observe those things which God never commanded to tell the people of a Sacrament and following your outward teaching who stands praying in the Synagogues and art called of men Master which Christ did forbid Mat. 23. And have the chiefest places in the Assemblies Whether these be not Antichrists which act contrary to the Commands of Christ yea or no. Ans In thy Answer to this Query thou sayest They strike at Pastors and Elders Reply Here thou art a lyar for the Query doth not mention Pastors or Elders Obj. And why dost thou say they speak of the Synagogues in a derisive way and that the title of Masters and assuming the chiefest places in the Assemblies to be ambition Reply And this thou seeks to clear and justifie which Christ cried wo against and shews thy self to be in the state of the Scribes and Pharisees as you may read Mat. 23. Let the letter judge thee if thou wilt own the Scripture And doth not Christ cry wo against them that are called of men Master and have the chiefest place in the Assemblies stand praying in the Synagogues H●re ●hou shews thy self to be an opposer of Christs words who would justifie the worlds practise which he cryed wo against and so thou art a friend to the world and an enemy to Christ Obj. And thou sayest concerning the Sacrament ther is no Ordinance a foot amongst us which we call by that name though there might be a defence for it Reply Here thou shews thy self where thou was b●fore in making a defence for that which is not which ●here is no Scripture for And what hast thou to do to talk of O●dinances the Blood of Christ and the Seals and the Faith and the Covenant of God who denyes his voyce and all who are taught of God hear his voyce and who are sealed are sealed with the Spirit but thou denyes the immediate inspiration and here thou clearest thy self from the Seals from the Covenant who saith men must be taught for all who are brought into the Covenant are taught of God and hear his voyce and need no man teach them which you deny Oh Lucifer like who talks of these things and cannot witness any of them but ar● justifying Synagogues standing p●aying there which the Pharisees did O thou Fox thou are found out in all thy holes we who witness the B●ood of Christ the Covenant the Seals and the Supper of the Lord deny all these things which you and the Pharisees held up which Christ cried wo against and here thou art reckoned and found amongst those despisers of the grace of God which never heard ●●s voyce as thou sayest amongst the greatest sinners whichever blasphemed Christ though they pro●ess●d him in words ●o dost thou the world may justifi● th●●e but that Christ which the Scripture speaks of if you w●ll own the Scriptures do●h condemn thee who holds up and pleads for these things which he cries wo against Obj. Secondly And for thy justification of outward teaching thou sayest it is the power of God to salvation Reply Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and knows not what thou speaks is the power of God outward and salvation which is a Mystery and here thou hast shut thy self out from the Mystery and art in thy will and a Minister made by the will of man which is outward Paul who was a Minister of the Spirit which was not outward made by the will of God here thou hast shut thy self from the Minister of the Spirit which ministers to the Spirit in prison and art a Minister of the Letter made by the will of man and holden up by man and thou wrests many Scriptures for to justifie the outward teaching as Mat. 4.13 14. Acts 26.16 17 18. and many other Scriptures and so pu●s no difference betwixt the Ministers of the world which is outward and Christs Ministers and the Apostles which is immediate and inward by the Spirit and shews thou art not yet come to repentance to discern the right hand from the left He that hath ears to hear let him hear what the Spirit saith and that 's not outward And what hast thou to do to talk of the Apostles preaching Let the Apostles preaching alone for they denyed the Pharisees teaching I command thee in the presence of the Lord. Obj. And thou sayst the Apostle saith He rejoyced though some preach Christ from an envious spirit Reply Here thou adds to the Apostles words all people read Psal 1.18 though the Apostle did say then Some preach Christ of envy some of strife some of contention yet that was a time when few did believe that that was the Christ so his Name was spread abroad he rejoyced in it but when his Name was spread abroad and covetous men and proud men as thou art and heady men and men that followed pleasures had got the form but had not the power which led silly women captive always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth which thou shews thy self to be one of them and the Apostle exhorts from such to turn away 2 Tim. 3.1 And what hast thou to do to talk of Christ and his Disciples and Moses these had the immediate inspiration which thou denyes who hast gotten the outward form and words of Christ and the Disciples as the Pharisees had gotten the form of Moses and the Prophets and there thou art j●dged withall who hath the Eternal Spirit the life of them that gave forth the Scriptures Obj. Whereof thou art giving sences of the end of the world Reply Silence sence and consequence for that proceeds from the world in thy heart for there it is set for thou confesses thou dost not know the voyce of God who art lost in thy sences nor never shall in that nature who denyes immediate in●piration and so denyes the life of the Scripture and shuts thy self out For Christ is the same yesterday to day and for ever And his teachers are the same with the same Spirit and all thy whole intent is as to keep people from the voyce of G●d and immediate inspiration and to keep the Letter and to make Ministers with it which is outward as thou calls it Obj. And whereas thou sayest Christ ascend●d on high and hath given gifts unto men Reply These words will condemn thee are these gifts outward thou art talking of an outward these words Pastors and Teachers are the Saints words and ours we own th●m but we deny thee and all thy filthy stuff of consequences and sences of the Saints conditions Obj. And whereas thou sayest Till the Saints come to the state of perfection Reply And again thou denyes it and saith None can attain to it in this world and here the Scripture will judge thee to be a lyar which thou sayest is thy