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A41211 An appeal to Scripture & antiquity in the questions of 1. the worship and invocation of saints and angels 2. the worship of images 3. justification by and merit of good works 4. purgatory 5. real presence and half-communion : against the Romanists / by H. Ferne ... Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1665 (1665) Wing F787; ESTC R6643 246,487 512

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and_o however_o it_o please_v god_n to_o deal_v in_o mercy_n with_o the_o poor_a abuse_a people_n yet_o no_o man_n can_v assure_v himself_o of_o receive_v the_o grace_n of_o this_o sacrament_n that_o do_v wilful_o neglect_v and_o refuse_v to_o receive_v it_o as_o our_o saviour_n institute_v and_o appoint_v it_o but_o see_v how_o he_o will_v stop_v the_o people_n mouth_n in_o the_o close_a of_o this_o point_n by_o tell_v they_o that_o albeit_o they_o want_v the_o extent_n of_o grace_n which_o priest_n have_v by_o receive_v in_o both_o kind_n yet_o they_o have_v sufficient_a and_o that_o they_o be_v oblige_v to_o have_v respect_n not_o only_o to_o their_o own_o spiritual_a profit_n in_o the_o increase_n of_o grace_n by_o this_o sacrament_n but_o also_o to_o the_o reverence_n due_a unto_o it_o and_o must_v be_v content_a to_o want_v that_o increase_n when_o it_o can_v be_v obtain_v but_o by_o some_o irreverence_n offer_v to_o this_o divine_a sacrament_n p._n 335._o as_o if_o our_o saviour_n intend_v the_o participation_n of_o his_o blood_n shed_v and_o bid_v all_o to_o drink_v thereof_o can_v not_o or_o do_v not_o foresee_v what_o inconvenience_n will_v or_o may_v happen_v upon_o the_o observe_n of_o what_o he_o appoint_v and_o as_o if_o the_o great_a irreverence_n be_v not_o disobedience_n and_o obedience_n to_o his_o will_n the_o great_a reverence_n but_o the_o reverence_n and_o honour_n of_o the_o priest_n be_v hereby_o provide_v for_o among_o they_o and_o the_o people_n must_v be_v content_a with_o a_o mutilate_n and_o incomplete_a sacrament_n the_o next_o argument_n be_v from_o the_o precept_n drink_v you_o all_o of_o this_o cup._n all_o command_v to_o drink_v of_o the_o cup._n p._n 341._o where_o he_o pitiful_o shuffle_n run_v backward_o and_o forward_o to_o evade_v the_o force_n of_o it_o first_o he_o will_v have_v it_o no_o command_n notwithstanding_o that_o the_o speech_n be_v plain_o imperative_fw-it as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o do_v this_o in_o which_o they_o place_v a_o strict_a command_n his_o instance_n of_o like_a speech_n will_v appear_v impertinent_a if_o compare_v with_o this_o as_o jo._n 13.14_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d you_o ought_v to_o wash_v the_o speech_n be_v not_o imperative_fw-it but_o indicative_a of_o a_o duty_n teach_v they_o by_o that_o action_n or_o example_n of_o our_o saviour_n wash_v their_o foot_n viz._n the_o duty_n of_o humility_n not_o bind_v they_o to_o that_o very_a action_n or_o expression_n by_o wash_v as_o this_o precept_n of_o drink_v do_v and_o needs_o must_v bind_v all_o who_o come_v to_o receive_v and_o when_o they_o come_v now_o that_o of_o mat._n 26.26_o take_v though_o it_o do_v not_o absolute_o command_v the_o mode_n or_o manner_n of_o take_v it_o in_o the_o hand_n he_o aim_v in_o this_o instance_n at_o the_o priest_n put_v it_o into_o their_o mouth_n yet_o do_v it_o peremptory_o command_v a_o take_n which_o amount_v to_o a_o receive_n this_o be_v the_o substance_n or_o necessary_a requisite_a of_o the_o sacrament_n the_o other_o by_o hand_n or_o by_o mouth_n immediate_o be_v but_o of_o the_o mode_n or_o circumstance_n again_o be_v loath_a to_o have_v it_o a_o command_n the_o word_n say_v he_o of_o themselves_o can_v import_v a_o command_n but_o may_v signify_v only_o a_o bare_a invitation_n as_o when_o we_o say_v to_o a_o guest_n sit_v down_o eat_z and_o drink_v of_o this_o or_o that_o p._n 334._o but_o he_o shall_v have_v consider_v that_o if_o they_o may_v signify_v only_o a_o bare_a invitation_n than_o the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o other_o and_o both_o of_o they_o the_o eat_v and_o drinkng_v may_v be_v refuse_v and_o so_o the_o sacrament_n leave_v free_a for_o every_o one_o to_o receive_v or_o not_o to_o receive_v it_o at_o all_o which_o below_o he_o will_v deny_v again_o though_o it_o be_v but_o manner_n among_o man_n to_o leave_v a_o guest_n at_o his_o liberty_n and_o therefore_o such_o word_n imply_v a_o freedom_n leave_v they_o do_v not_o impose_v a_o necessity_n or_o duty_n as_o this_o ordain_v of_o this_o sacrament_n do_v where_o it_o be_v our_o duty_n by_o drink_v and_o eat_v and_o do_v so_o as_o at_o first_o be_v do_v to_o remember_v and_o show_v forth_o our_o saviour_n death_n and_o withal_o it_o be_v our_o great_a and_o necessary_a concernment_n to_o receive_v the_o benefit_n there_o offer_v and_o yet_o you_o use_v not_o the_o people_n so_o kind_o as_o a_o man_n that_o make_v a_o feast_n do_v his_o guest_n for_o dare_v you_o thus_o invite_v the_o people_n and_o give_v they_o the_o freedom_n to_o eat_v and_o drink_v do_v not_o the_o priest_n notwithstanding_o those_o word_n of_o invitation_n eat_v and_o drink_v up_o all_o himself_n in_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o mass_n the_o people_n look_v on_o only_o nay_o be_v not_o this_o invitation_n come_v to_o a_o plain_a interdict_v a_o forbid_v of_o the_o people_n to_o receive_v the_o cup_n drink_v you_o all_o of_o this_o say_v our_o saviour_n you_o shall_v not_o drink_v of_o this_o say_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n i_o may_v add_v be_v not_o this_o a_o mock_n of_o the_o people_n nay_o be_v it_o not_o a_o mock_n of_o almighty_a god_n when_o in_o a_o prayer_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o mass_n it_o be_v say_v by_o the_o priest_n according_a to_o the_o ancient_a practice_n quotquot_fw-la sumpserimus_fw-la imply_v that_o other_o have_v receive_v with_o the_o priest_n and_o in_o both_o kind_n whereas_o none_o do_v nor_o be_v suffer_v to_o do_v at_o length_n mr._n spencer_n yield_v a_o command_n give_v in_o those_o word_n drink_v you_o all_o of_o this_o but_o give_v to_o the_o apostle_n only_o and_o extendible_a to_o bishop_n and_o priest_n but_o why_o to_o they_o and_o no_o far_o here_o he_o seem_v to_o refer_v the_o meaning_n and_o extent_n of_o such_o command_v give_v without_o limitation_n to_o the_o practice_n and_o perpetual_a tradition_n of_o the_o church_n p._n 344_o 345._o we_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o be_v a_o good_a direction_n for_o understand_a matter_n of_o practice_n and_o in_o this_o point_n we_o affirm_v and_o be_v sure_a the_o practice_n and_o perpetual_a tradition_n of_o the_o church_n for_o above_o 12._o hundred_o year_n be_v against_o this_o romish_a innovation_n and_o we_o be_v sure_a that_o antiquity_n be_v against_o they_o as_o concern_v the_o capacity_n of_o those_o person_n to_o who_o the_o sacrament_n be_v first_o give_v and_o who_o be_v then_o bid_v all_o of_o they_o to_o drink_v which_o must_v therefore_o be_v extendible_a not_o only_o to_o bishop_n and_o priest_n but_o to_o all_o faithful_a christian_n who_o be_v then_o represent_v in_o those_o first_o person_n now_o as_o for_o the_o other_o precept_n do_v this_o in_o remembrance_n of_o i_o allpresent_v do_v this_o concern_v allpresent_v he_o will_v have_v a_o strict_a command_n in_o those_o word_n so_o far_o as_o concern_v the_o priest_n to_o bless_v consecrate_v offer_v administer_v 346._o but_o it_o be_v plain_a the_o priest_n do_v not_o as_o our_o saviour_n do_v for_o he_o do_v not_o administer_v so_o oft_o as_o he_o consecrate_v and_o when_o he_o do_v administer_v it_o be_v not_o in_o both_o kind_n as_o our_o saviour_n do_v again_o if_o the_o priest_n be_v hereby_o bind_v to_o administer_v be_v not_o the_o people_n consequent_o bind_v to_o receive_v he_o be_v not_o willing_a to_o grant_v it_o yet_o but_o shall_v below_o here_o he_o make_v instance_n in_o priesthood_n and_o marriage_n which_o they_o be_v bind_v to_o administer_v when_o just_o require_v to_o do_v it_o yet_o be_v no_o man_n bind_v to_o receive_v the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o 347._o it_o be_v still_o the_o hap_n of_o his_o instance_n to_o be_v impertinent_a for_o he_o himself_o acknowledge_v a_o little_a below_o the_o disparity_n between_o receive_v of_o priesthood_n or_o marrioge_n and_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o saviour_n under_o both_o kind_n the_o disparity_n i_o say_v between_o they_o as_o to_o this_o point_n of_o freedom_n for_o first_o though_o no_o man_n be_v bind_v to_o receive_v priesthood_n or_o marriage_n yet_o be_v neither_o the_o one_o or_o other_o ever_o confer_v but_o when_o some_o be_v to_o receive_v they_o second_o let_v these_o pass_v for_o the_o present_a as_o sacrament_n yet_o be_v it_o very_o inconsequent_a from_o the_o liberty_n in_o receive_v these_o which_o concern_v the_o particular_a estate_n of_o man_n to_o argue_v for_o like_a freedom_n in_o receive_v that_o sacrament_n which_o concern_v the_o salvation_n of_o all_o christian_n or_o from_o the_o free_a choice_n of_o a_o particular_a profession_n or_o state_n to_o conclude_v a_o indifferency_n in_o the_o duty_n of_o our_o general_a profession_n or_o calling_n as_o we_o be_v christian_n the_o duty_n of_o which_o profession_n be_v
messiah_n and_o indeed_o that_o place_n of_o isa_n 9.6_o where_o the_o messiah_n be_v call_v pater_fw-la futuri_fw-la seculi_fw-la the_o father_n of_o the_o age_n or_o world_n to_o come_v to_o who_o a_o generation_n shall_v be_v account_v ps_n 22.30_o do_v accord_n thereunto_o now_o it_o be_v a_o opinion_n among_o the_o jew_n as_o they_o that_o be_v acquaint_v with_o their_o rabbin_n do_v tell_v we_o that_o some_o sin_n shall_v then_o be_v forgive_v which_o can_v not_o before_o and_o according_o it_o be_v a_o usual_a expression_n by_o say_v such_o a_o sin_n shall_v not_o be_v forgive_v no_o not_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v to_o show_v the_o atrocity_n and_o flagitiousness_n of_o such_o a_o sin_n which_o the_o grace_n that_o the_o messiah_n shall_v bring_v will_v not_o take_v away_o and_o so_o our_o saviour_n may_v speak_v this_o ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la according_a to_o their_o common_a opinion_n and_o say_n to_o express_v the_o heinousness_n of_o that_o sin_n or_o blasphemy_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n but_o take_v this_o phrase_n according_a to_o the_o tenor_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n which_o suppose_v the_o messiah_n come_v already_o the_o world_n to_o come_v every_z where_o signify_v that_o which_o begin_v at_o the_o resurrection_n or_o last_o day_n of_o this_o world_n then_o be_v fix_v the_o end_n of_o this_o world_n mat._n 13.39.40_o &_o cap._n 28.20_o and_o then_o begin_v the_o world_n to_o come_v marc._n 10.30_o luc._n 18.30_o eph._n 1.21_o and_o so_o it_o must_v be_v take_v by_o st._n aug._n in_o that_o place_n which_o the_o romanist_n cite_v as_o to_o their_o purpose_n for_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n not_o forgive_v before_o remittetur_fw-la aug._n de_fw-fr civit._fw-la dei_fw-la l._n 21._o c._n 24._o neque_fw-la enim_fw-la de_fw-la qui_fw-la busdam_fw-la veraciter_fw-la diceretur_fw-la non_fw-la remittetur_fw-la otherwise_o say_v he_o it_o can_v not_o be_v true_o say_v of_o some_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v forgive_v neither_o in_o this_o world_n nor_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v for_o if_o we_o inquire_v of_o he_o when_o shall_v this_o be_v resurrectione_n factâ_fw-la resurrectione_n he_o tell_v we_o there_o after_o the_o resurrection_n be_v do_v and_o so_o also_o futurum_fw-la seculum_fw-la the_o world_n to_o come_v be_v take_v both_o by_o greek_n and_o latin_n purgatorio_fw-la latin_n council_n flor._n sess_n 1._o de_fw-la purgatorio_fw-la in_o their_o debate_n of_o this_o point_n ii_o forgiveness_n of_o the_o forgiveness_n for_o their_o inference_n from_o our_o saviour_n negative_a not_o forgive_v say_v he_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v therefore_o say_v they_o there_o be_v sin_n to_o be_v forgive_v in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v the_o cardinal_n acknowledge_v it_o do_v not_o follow_v according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o logic_n indeed_o such_o forgiveness_n as_o they_o pretend_v in_o relation_n to_o purgatory_n can_v in_o any_o reason_n follow_v upon_o our_o saviour_n speech_n that_o there_o be_v a_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n after_o death_n can_v be_v deny_v so_o long_o as_o we_o believe_v there_o be_v a_o judgement_n of_o god_n to_o come_v for_o when_o that_o come_v and_o pass_v upon_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n either_o private_o at_o their_o death_n or_o open_o at_o the_o last_o day_n there_o be_v a_o absolution_n of_o some_o and_o a_o condemnation_n of_o other_o a_o forgive_a and_o a_o not_o forgive_n in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v whether_o we_o begin_v that_o time_n at_o the_o day_n of_o death_n or_o of_o resurrection_n but_o this_o forgiveness_n be_v nothing_o to_o purgatory_n again_o this_o forgiveness_n or_o not_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v may_v have_v regard_n to_o the_o forgiveness_n or_o retain_v of_o sin_n by_o man_n in_o the_o ministry_n of_o reconciliation_n in_o this_o life_n so_o there_o be_v a_o lose_n and_o bind_v on_o earth_n and_o a_o lose_n and_o bind_v in_o heaven_n in_o like_a manner_n a_o declaration_n of_o sin_n forgive_v in_o the_o church_n in_o this_o life_n and_o a_o declaration_n of_o sin_n forgive_v or_o not_o forgive_v in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v for_o then_o it_o shall_v appear_v that_o many_o sin_n forgive_v by_o man_n clave_n errante_fw-la through_o misapplication_n of_o the_o key_n be_v not_o forgive_v of_o god_n but_o shall_v receive_v sentence_n of_o condemnation_n and_o many_o that_o have_v be_v unjust_o excommunicate_v and_o condemn_v here_o shall_v be_v own_v and_o absolve_v there_o and_o so_o in_o this_o respect_n it_o may_v be_v say_v true_o that_o whoever_o will_v continue_v obstinate_a and_o rebel_n against_o light_n as_o they_o that_o here_o blaspheme_v against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n must_v not_o expect_v to_o have_v his_o sin_n forgive_v either_o in_o this_o life_n by_o the_o church_n or_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v when_o god_n shall_v appear_v in_o judgement_n and_o so_o it_o come_v to_o what_o st._n marc._n say_v remittetur_fw-la hier._n in_o mat._n 5._o huic_fw-la nullo_n tempore_fw-la blasphemia_fw-la remittetur_fw-la he_o have_v never_o forgiveness_n and_o what_o st._n hier._n say_v upon_o the_o place_n this_o blasphemy_n shall_v never_o be_v forgive_v he_o the_o sin_n which_o the_o romanist_n will_v have_v forgive_v in_o the_o next_o life_n sin_n venial_a sin_n be_v venial_a or_o light_a sin_n but_o why_o these_o forgive_v in_o the_o next_o world_n when_o the_o great_a sin_n be_v forgive_v in_o this_o life_n as_o they_o acknowledge_v unto_o those_o justify_v person_n who_o they_o send_v to_o purgatory_n why_o shall_v such_o small_a sin_n which_o do_v not_o cut_v off_o the_o state_n of_o justification_n or_o put_v the_o person_n out_o of_o the_o favour_n of_o god_n be_v retain_v and_o call_v so_o so_o severe_a a_o reckon_n as_o be_v that_o of_o the_o purgatory_n prison_n it_o be_v true_a that_o sanctify_a person_n after_o their_o justification_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o daily_a subreption_n of_o such_o light_a sin_n but_o see_v as_o st._n aug._n say_v often_o we_o do_v for_o they_o daily_o confess_v and_o say_v forgive_v we_o our_o debt_n why_o shall_v not_o the_o general_a repentance_n and_o confession_n with_o which_o such_o person_n die_v be_v available_a to_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o all_o such_o fail_n and_o secret_a sin_n that_o can_v be_v remember_v in_o particular_a through_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n perfect_a obedience_n apprehend_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o such_o justify_v person_n and_o as_o for_o the_o stain_n of_o sinful_a corruption_n sin_n the_o stain_n or_o remain_v corrupt_a of_o sin_n yet_o remain_v after_o forgiveness_n of_o the_o guilt_n and_o punishment_n the_o do_v away_o of_o which_o the_o romanist_n call_v forgiveness_n what_o need_n be_v there_o of_o a_o fire_n to_o purge_v they_o away_o for_o it_o be_v not_o fire_n but_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n liken_v unto_o fire_n that_o can_v work_v that_o effect_n upon_o the_o soul_n and_o why_o may_v not_o final_a grace_n as_o some_o call_v it_o do_v away_o 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ferus_fw-la on_o the_o place_n and_o chrysostom_n and_o this_o will_v bring_v we_o to_o their_o inference_n from_o these_o word_n which_o be_v the_o three_o thing_n they_o be_v to_o make_v good_a and_o it_o be_v direct_o contrary_a to_o that_o of_o st._n chrysostom_n iii_o they_o infer_v purgatory_n pain_n from_o the_o forgiveness_n which_o they_o suppose_v to_o be_v in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v forgive_v i._n e._n punish_v this_o be_v inconsequent_a and_o inconsistent_a first_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o time_n for_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o the_o world_n to_o come_v be_v that_o final_a open_a absolution_n or_o forgiveness_n at_o the_o last_o day_n but_o their_o purgatory_n forgiveness_n and_o punishment_n be_v secret_a and_o before_o that_o last_o day_n but_o here_o they_o seem_v to_o answer_v that_o sin_n indeed_o be_v forgive_v at_o the_o last_o day_n but_o to_o they_o that_o have_v first_o parse_v the_o purgatory_n fire_n and_o for_o this_o a_o obscure_a place_n of_o st._n aug._n be_v allege_v even_o as_o at_o the_o resurrection_n there_o will_v not_o be_v want_v some_o directeur_fw-fr aug._n the_o civ_o dei_fw-la l._n 21._o c._n 24._o sicut_fw-la factâ_fw-la resurrectione_n non_fw-la deerunt_fw-la quibus_fw-la post_fw-la poenas_fw-la quas_fw-la patiuntur_fw-la spiritus_fw-la mortuorum_fw-la impertiatur_fw-la misericordia_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o ignem_fw-la non_fw-la mittantur_fw-la aeternum_fw-la neque_fw-la enim_fw-la de_fw-la quibusdam_fw-la veraciter_fw-la directeur_fw-fr to_o who_o after_o the_o pain_n which_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o depart_a do_v suffer_v mercy_n may_v be_v impart_v so_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v cast_v into_o eternal_a fire_n for_o it_o will_v not_o else_o be_v true_o say_v of_o some_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v forgive_v neither_o in_o this_o nor_o the_o world_n to_o come_v what_o these_o pain_n be_v and_o when_o suffer_v he_o speak_v not_o and_o in_o the_o application_n of_o this_o scripture_n he_o go_v alone_o only_o he_o be_v plain_a for_o the_o time_n of_o this_o forgiveness_n or_o impart_v of_o mercy_n that_o it_o be_v at_o the_o resurrection_n but_o this_o will_v not_o stand_v with_o the_o purgatory_n forgiveness_n nor_o with_o the_o profit_n to_o be_v raise_v out_o of_o papal_a indulgence_n by_o which_o soul_n may_v be_v loose_v out_o of_o pain_n every_o day_n and_o send_v to_o heavenly_a bliss_n before_o the_o resurrection_n second_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o opposition_n between_o forgiveness_n and_o punishment_n the_o former_a inference_n which_o from_o our_o saviour_n negative_a shall_v not_o be_v forgive_v conclude_v some_o sin_n shall_v be_v forgive_v then_o the_o cardinal_n acknowledge_v not_o to_o follow_v according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o logic_n but_o from_o their_o suppose_a forgiveness_n to_o infer_v punishment_n be_v still_o more_o unreasonable_a the_o scripture_n set_v reconciliation_n with_o god_n against_o pay_v the_o utmost_a farthing_n mat._n 5.25_o set_v the_o forgive_n of_o the_o debt_n against_o the_o pay_n of_o the_o debt_n mat._n 18._o 32._o 34._o the_o greek_n after_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n set_v out_o their_o apology_n concern_v purgatory_n in_o reference_n to_o what_o they_o have_v discourse_v with_o the_o latin_n there_o where_o we_o find_v this_o to_o be_v one_o point_n of_o difference_n between_o they_o 〈◊〉_d they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d what_o agreement_n say_v they_o be_v there_o between_o remission_n and_o such_o purgation_n or_o punishment_n there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o both_o and_o a_o little_a after_o they_o show_v that_o st._n aug._n be_v the_o first_o that_o conceit_v this_o middle_a kind_n of_o punishment_n after_o this_o life_n in_o order_n to_o forgiveness_n of_o some_o sin_n and_o the_o occasion_n that_o bring_v he_o into_o that_o conceit_n they_o also_o declare_v which_o we_o shall_v mention_v under_o the_o next_o head_n our_o four_o general_n head_n be_v concern_v the_o pain_n and_o punishment_n between_o death_n and_o the_o resurrection_n fire_n of_o pain_n after_o death_n the_o text_n of_o 1_o cor._n 3.13_o misapply_v to_o the_o purgatory_n fire_n we_o have_v already_o consider_v they_o in_o relation_n to_o forgiveness_n of_o ●n_n now_o more_o special_o of_o the_o purgatory_n punishment_n to_o which_o the_o roma●●ists_n apply_v what_o they_o meet_v with_o touch_v the_o purgation_n of_o fire_n we_o will_v first_o examine_v that_o note_a place_n of_o scripture_n so_o often_o misapply_v by_o they_o to_o their_o purgatory_n fire_n it_o be_v 1_o cor._n 3.13_o the_o fire_n shall_v try_v every_o man_n work_n and_z vers_n 15._o he_o shall_v be_v save_v yet_o so_o as_o by_o fire_n the_o cardinal_n acknowledge_v this_o to_o be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o difficult_a place_n locum_fw-la bel._n de_fw-fr purge_v l._n 1._o c._n 5._o vnum_fw-la ex_fw-la difficillimis_fw-la locum_fw-la and_o that_o so_o st._n aug._n thought_n of_o it_o and_o consequent_o he_o shall_v have_v acknowledge_v it_o no_o fit_a place_n to_o 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tertio_fw-la quia_fw-la he_o tell_v we_o all_o the_o ancient_n seem_v by_o the_o day_n mention_v for_o 13._o to_o understand_v the_o day_n of_o the_o last_o judgement_n and_o he_o give_v four_o reason_n to_o prove_v it_o so_o and_o after_o their_o different_a opinion_n of_o the_o fire_n there_o also_o mention_v he_o conclude_v that_o can_v be_v the_o purgatory_n fire_n because_o the_o fire_n in_o st._n paul_n touch_v all_o eorum_fw-la bel._n ibid._n onmes_fw-la tangit_fw-la at_o ignis_fw-la purgatorius_fw-la non_fw-la probat_fw-la opera_fw-la eorum_fw-la even_o those_o that_o build_v gold_n and_o silver_n but_o the_o purgatory_n fire_n do_v not_o prove_v their_o work_n examin●ns_fw-la apostolum_n ●olqui_fw-la de_fw-la igne_fw-la severt_fw-la &_o justi_fw-la judicii_fw-la dei_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la ignis_fw-la purgans_fw-la &_o affligens_fw-la sed_fw-la probans_fw-la &_o examin●ns_fw-la it_o remain_v therefore_o that_o we_o say_v the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o the_o fire_n 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fire_n all_o these_o therefore_o be_v not_o for_o the_o romish_a purgatory_n