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A93367 The heads and substance of a discourse; first private, and afterwards publike; held in Axbridge, in the county of Somerset, about the 6th of March, 1650. Between Iohn Smith of Badgworth, and Charls Carlile of Bitsham, &c. on the one part; and Thomas Collier of Westbury on the other. Things they are of weight and highest concernment. / Published by the said Tho. Collier of Westbury. Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691.; Smith, John, of Badgworth.; Carlile, Charles. 1651 (1651) Wing S4091; Thomason E1368_2; ESTC R209287 11,613 29

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a man 100. li. vow satisfaction again afterwards this man turns bankrupt and so utterly disables himself for payment of the money You to make good your word and free your debtor enable your son give him the money that so he might pay it you again satisfie your word and free the debtor then you send a messenger to inform him that the debt is paid and his peace is made So God having said In the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt die Man eateth and dyeth God to satisfie the word of his Truth and to restore fallen man gives forth his Son that so the Son might give himself a ransom for the world and so the Father in the Son satisfieth his Word which is his divine Justice and maketh peace with the world and by the Spirit of his Son sheds abroad his love and peace in the hearts of his secret hidden ones that so they might come to be possessed with and to live in the enjoyment of that redemption that peace and love which was purposed by the Father and made manifest in the Son for them This Truth being rightly understood is that which keeps the fountain of grace clearly open That fountain opened for sin and uncleanness Zac. 13. And this mysterie of mercy being rightly received draws up souls to the Father in the Son and makes not the Son the object of faith without the Father nor the Father without the Son but the Father in the Son He that believeth on me believeth not only on me but on him that sent me Joh. 12. 44. The fifth particular 5. He denyed the Trinity Here likewise they abused me for that which I denyed was a Trinity of persons in the Godhead which they affirm That which I laid down was this That I denyed not the Trinity that is Father Son and Spirit as the Scriptures hold it forth but a Trinity of persons I deny for I deny any person to be in the Godhead for God is a Spirit Joh. 4. 24. not a person They then proceeded to prove the person of the Father first Heb. 1. 3. where Christ is said to be the express image of his Fathers person I denyed that there was any such word they prest earnest to the Scripture I desired them to look in their Original to see what it was there they said it was person there I told them it was not but it was substance they asked me what the Greek word was I answered {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which signifieth substance they affirmed that it was person not substance I asked them all being six of them whether it was person they all affirmed that it was so I answered that it was a shame for them thus to speak untruth and to delude the people I told them {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is person they fell out into reproachfull terms denying it all of them except one who confest it was person thus being gravelled in the first they proceeded no farther It s true the Scripture speaks of Father Word and Spirit this I own Father as the fountain Word as streams of wisdom power and love coming forth to the sons of men taking flesh into union so the Son operating and working the good pleasure of his will so the Spirit God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself and God was manifest in flesh but God was not flesh and there is no person in the Godhead that being a word proper to man only and that word is never in all the Scripture that I know attributed to God but they are principles and terms received by tradition from Rome and thither let them return again The sixth particular 6. He affirmed that the Saints are the Sons of God in the same manner as Christ himself This I owned and affirmed That Christ was a Son by vertue of union so were the Saints For which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren because he who sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one Heb. 2. They affirmed that the union of Christ with God was hypostaticall and the union of Saints was mysticall I asked the people if they understood hypostatical union he said it was personall though not truth but substantiall I asked him what he meant by mysticall union he could not answer it but desired me to answer it I told him nay I should not explain his terms so he left it Mysticall signifies a Mysterie Great is the mysterie of godliness so that Parson Smith makes the union and so the sonship of saints a greater Mysterie then that of Christ for Christs union he could explain but the saints was a mysterie and so left but it s indeed both a mysterie a spirituall union and a spirituall relation It was objected by one That it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell and from his fulness we receive I answered true it is so and I shall need no other Scripture to answer you then that you have produced for I am not maintaining the fulness but the manner its true Christ is annointed with the oyl of gladness above his fellows but they are anoynted with the same oyl Christ hath the fulness of the Godhead in him but the saints receive of the same fulness the same for nature and manner though not for measure yet are sons in the same manner as Christ It may be objected that Christ was the naturall son saints are sons by adoption and grace Answ. True yet they are sons by nature too made partakers of the divine Nature and shall in conclusion be made compleat in the same perfection with Christ they are heirs coheirs joynt-heirs with Christ if they suffer with him they shall raign with him Rom. 8. They are made partakers of the same relation the same spirit the same love heirs to the same Kingdom And when Christ who is our life shall appear then shall we likewise appear with him in glory we shall be as he is because we shall see him as he is and shall see our selves with him this is the mark we are running to and the prize we are running for if we so run as to obtain The seventh particular 7. He affirmed that the divine essence was communicated to the Saints This I likewise owned which they denyed proved 2 Pet. 1. 4. Whereby he hath given us exceeding great and precious promises that by these you might be partakers of the divine Nature the divine Nature is the divine Essence they are made partakers of it by great and precious promises promised and performed whereever the Lord communicates his spirit which is of himself and is himself Rom. 8 9. If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his and if so be the Spirit of Christ dwell in you c. They still opposed that the divine Essence was not communicated to the saints I desired them to declare to the people what the spirit of Christ here mentioned is whether