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church_n though_o you_o call_v it_o a_o small_a matter_n and_o yet_o you_o will_v not_o teach_v the_o people_n that_o it_o be_v a_o small_a matter_n fulk_n i_o say_v that_o invocation_n of_o saint_n as_o it_o be_v hold_v by_o some_o of_o the_o latter_a sort_n of_o ancient_a father_n be_v but_o a_o small_a error_n in_o comparison_n of_o such_o gross_a heresy_n which_o the_o popish_a church_n do_v now_o hold_v and_o in_o comparison_n of_o such_o invocation_n of_o saint_n as_o be_v now_o maintain_v and_o practise_v by_o the_o papist_n but_o your_o accusation_n of_o my_o book_n be_v write_v therefore_o you_o can_v not_o alter_v it_o camp_n lend_v i_o your_o book_n that_o i_o may_v charge_v you_o the_o book_n be_v deliver_v after_o a_o little_a turn_n he_o say_v this_o be_v not_o the_o book_n that_o i_o mean_v fulke_n this_o be_v the_o book_n that_o you_o name_v camp_n i_o mean_v your_o answer_n unto_o doctor_n allens_n article_n because_o bristol_n have_v confute_v it_o fulk_n this_o be_v 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thing_n etc._n etc._n and_o deut._n 4._o for_o which_o cause_n say_v this_o counsel_n you_o hear_v the_o voice_n of_o word_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o fire_n but_o you_o see_v no_o image_n contrary_n to_o this_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a do_v accurse_v those_o that_o will_v not_o worship_v image_n in_o these_o word_n qui_fw-la venerandas_fw-la imagine_v non_fw-la venerantur_fw-la anathema_n accurse_a be_v they_o that_o worship_v not_o holy_a image_n so_o it_o appear_v that_o these_o two_o council_n be_v contrary_a and_o therefore_o one_o of_o they_o do_v err_v but_o i_o will_v proceed_v to_o the_o next_o place_n you_o doubt_v also_o whether_o it_o be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o saint_n augustine_n that_o there_o be_v no_o miracle_n in_o the_o sacrament_n now_o you_o may_v hear_v his_o own_o word_n to._n 3._o de_fw-fr trinitate_fw-la lib._n 3._o cap._n 10._o sicut_fw-la panis_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la factus_fw-la in_o accipiendo_fw-la sacramento_n consumitur_fw-la sed_fw-la quia_fw-la 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both_o be_v exclude_v beside_o it_o be_v perpetual_a in_o all_o miracle_n that_o there_o must_v be_v some_o outward_a sensible_a sign_n further_o you_o doubt_v of_o inhaerens_fw-la iustitia_fw-la righteousness_n inherent_a in_o ourselves_o which_o i_o avouch_v to_o be_v erroneous_a doctrine_n set_v forth_o in_o the_o late_a council_n of_o trent_n the_o word_n be_v these_o council_z trident._n cap._n 7._o verè_fw-la iusti_fw-la nominamur_fw-la &_o sumus_fw-la iustitiam_fw-la in_o nobis_fw-la recipientes_fw-la unusquisque_fw-la svam_fw-la secundum_fw-la mensuram_fw-la quam_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sanctus_fw-la partitur_fw-la singulis_fw-la prout_fw-la vult_fw-la secundum_fw-la propriam_fw-la cuiusque_fw-la dispositionem_fw-la &_o cooperationem_fw-la et_fw-fr cap._n 16._o quae_fw-la quum_fw-la iustitia_fw-la nostra_fw-la dicitur_fw-la quia_fw-la per_fw-la eam_fw-la nobis_fw-la inhaerentem_fw-la iustificamur_fw-la illa_fw-la eadem_fw-la dei_fw-la est_fw-la quia_fw-la a_o deo_fw-la nobis_fw-la 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