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A77490 The unlavvfulnesse and danger of limited episcopacie· VVhereunto is subioyned a short reply to the modest advertiser and calme examinator of that treatise. As also the question of episcopacie discussed from Scripture and fathers. / By Robert Bailly pastor of Killwunning in Scotland. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. 1641 (1641) Wing B470; Thomason E174_4; ESTC R11030 25,095 50

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possible a number of cleere and strong probations for to convince the mind of all attentive Readers Againe you tell us that the Principle may be granted Why do you mutter betwixt your teeth speak out cleerly and plainly for if you grant it your cause is lost if you deny it your next will be to answer the numerous arguments wherewith it is compassed not any one whereof you are bold to try In the third place that you may leave a posterne for escaping the Authors cleere and plaine principle That no office is lawful in Gods house which Christ has not appointed you transforme in an other mold to wit That none may administer the Word or Sacraments impose hands or use the keyes but such as Christ has appointed When thus you have taken leave to corrupt not the words only but the matter of your adversaries very principle Episcopall Courts acknowledged to be unlawfull Notwithstanding you see the Conclusion that flows from your owne proposition to wit that your high Commissioners your Chancellours and all the Rabble of your Officiall Courtiours doe meddle with Church censures contrary to Christs appointment This you do not deny but beare us in hand that these corruptions may be amended without noise or scandall It were good that your friends in the Convocation would preveen the honourable House of Commons that at last they would offer of free accord to passe from these long defended oppressing Courts before with greater noise and shame they be compelled to render to the Presbyterie these Rites whereof too long it has been dispossed by your Bishops fraud and force When you have broken in unseasonably upon the Hypothese of Episcopacie how marvellously doe you shift and extenuate the question The authors principle did speak expresly and soly of a distinct office in the Church of God you dare not say whether Episcopacie be any such thing or not All the distinction betwixt a Bishop and a Presbyter that you speak of is a higher and lower degree as it were of the same office Your Brethren will give you small thanks for this extenuation for you know they maintaine Episcopacie to be a true and distinct office from the Priesthood unto the which beside a Superioritie of degree the distinct faculty or power of Ordination and Jurisdiction essentially doth belong wherewith simple priests qua tales have nought at all to doe Beside the Authors principle and the probations thereof conclude all that you here doe require for they inferre the unlawfulnesse of any majoritie of one Church Officer over another without Christs appointment from so cleere texts of Scripture and so sound grounds of uncontroverted Divinity as you find not your selfe disposed to answer any one of them While as you require proof in that place for all the other parts of our Discipline you are unreasonable When you have given satisfactorie answers to all that is brought in the head of Episcopacy it will be then time and no sooner to proceed unto other Articles which so long as Episcopacy stands were needlesse to be spoken of In your contrary argumentations you undertake to prove a very strange conclusion Your great words extolling Episcopacie are full of vanitie That the order of Bishops is no lesse Apostolicall then the very Creed and to be received with no lesse faith then the very Scriptures yea with much more as it seems you import for you equal the Scriptures and Bishops in this that both are alike universall and unquestioned traditions but in this you seeme to give Bishops a surer ground then you grant to Scriptures for the ground whereupon you here and many of your fellowes elswhere embrace the Scriptures is sole Tradition but the grounds whereupon you receive the order of Bishops is not sole tradition but sundry passages of Scripture also as you alleage This your mighty Conclusion you prove not by any argument but onely by a number of big words borrowed from the Papists in this same and many more subjects You tell us that many Scriptures are alleaged for Episcopacy and that these Scriptures are exponed in your sense by all the Fathers yea by all Writers for fifteene hundred yeeres I hope that your selfe will finde it reason that wee be permitted to take your great words for nought but vaine ecchoes in the Aire while you be pleased to produce at least some one Scripture some one Father some one Writer which here you have not done Also while you would have us taking it on your naked word that all times all places all persons are for Bishops and that for such Bishops as you here expreslie describe to whom alone it belongs to rule as it is proper for the inferiour Presbyters to be ruled suffer us to say that you are greatly mistaken till wee have heard some one of your proofs Your patience will here I hope be the greater when you read in the subsequent writt for this our contradiction more Scriptures and Fathers then you in haste are like satisfactorily to answere The question of Episcopacie discust In that same short writ you will see all the Scriptures and the most pregnant passages of antiquity which the best learned on your side are accustomed to produce answered by the ancients themselves so cleerely that while you give some evidence to the contrarie Indifferent men will pronounce that wee have but too good reason to avow Episcopacie as your selfe in the same place describes it to be a plant which God never set in his garden to bee a meere stranger to the ancient Church for some hundred yeeres and ever while the Pope had usurped mainly by the help of his Episcopall jurisdiction many Antichristian priviledges Your consequences besides the palpable errour of your Antecedent are weake vitious and inconsequent though your Episcopacie be an Antichristian errour yet it will not follow that all people who are subject to it must be condemned as Antichristian and false worshipers of God for you know that one fault and one quality is not sufficient to put on the subject an absolute denomination What you adde of the fountaine and originall of Presbyteries it shews if not your ignorance yet your great forgetfulnesse not onely what Cyprian and other of the ancients have written of the Presbyteries in their times but also what your selfe within a few pages does write of Presbyteries which you could admit though with an Episcopall Moderator This is the matter of your first six pages To the Authors first argument the answer is Popish and nought upon the Authours Principle when you come to his Arguments your Answeres are shorter but nothing better The first Argument That these places of Scripture which of purpose and most punctually set downe the offices of Gods house especiallie the Acts of the Apostles and the Epistles to Timothy and Titus speak not at all of your Bishops You first deny the Argument albeit in your deniall you are so rationall as neither to give any reason