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A65879 The principal controversies between the litteral presbyters of the Kirk of Scotland, and the illuminated members of the Church of Christ, called Quakers· Truly collected, stated and opened, in a particular reply (herein specified) for general information and undeceiving the deceived. By an earnest contender for the most holy faith, which was once delivered to the saints. G. W. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1672 (1672) Wing W1947; ESTC R217169 70,788 112

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of_o god_n give_v to_o they_o though_o they_o rebel_v and_o the_o word_n nigh_o they_o in_o their_o heart_n &c._n &c._n which_o be_v not_o a_o light_n of_o nature_n herein_o thou_o have_v great_o err_v and_o will_v christ_n have_v reprove_v any_o for_o shut_v their_o eye_n against_o that_o which_o be_v natural_a and_o insufficient_a and_o make_v that_o the_o cause_n of_o their_o not_o be_v convert_v and_o heal_v see_v mat._n 13_o 15._o thou_o and_o the_o priest_n darkness_n and_o ignorance_n in_o this_o matter_n how_o great_a be_v it_o pr._n the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n be_v righteousness_n peace_n joy_n in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n no_o man_n that_o have_v not_o the_o sanctify_a spirit_n have_v it_o or_o have_v it_o within_o he_o no_o peace_n nor_o joy_n in_o the_o wicked_a an._n the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v in_o the_o pharisee_n or_o jew_n as_o christ_n say_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v within_o you_o luk._n 17.21_o when_o they_o be_v unsanctify_v though_o they_o be_v not_o 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how_o gross_a pelagionisme_n be_v that_o the_o same_o light_n which_o be_v sanctify_v to_o other_o that_o obey_v be_v condemn_v to_o judas_n and_o cain_n be_v god_n reveal_v of_o those_o thing_n and_o hide_v of_o they_o the_o same_o sanctify_a light_n and_o illumination_n an._n god_n who_o reveal_v those_o thing_n to_o the_o obedient_a that_o he_o hide_v from_o the_o disobedient_a this_o plain_o contradict_v thou_o and_o thy_o former_a word_n for_o god_n be_v still_o the_o same_o light_n and_o it_o be_v the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n that_o sanctifyes_n and_o justifyes_n the_o righteous_a or_o obedient_a that_o reprove_v the_o world_n of_o sin_n etc._n etc._n and_o this_o be_v the_o condemnation_n that_o light_n be_v come_v into_o the_o world_n and_o man_n love_v darkness_n rather_o than_o light_n etc._n etc._n joh._n 3._o so_o in_o this_o matter_n thou_o have_v show_v thyself_o ignorant_a of_o the_o scripture_n pr._n where_o there_o be_v many_o word_n of_o god_n be_v take_v together_o they_o be_v call_v the_o word_n of_o god_n an._n thou_o may_v as_o well_o say_v that_o many_o word_n and_o one_o word_n be_v both_o one_o where_o prove_v thou_o thy_o assertion_n for_o in_o contradiction_n to_o this_o present_o after_o the_o scripture_n call_v christ_n the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o some_o place_n and_o sure_a the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n be_v distinguish_v they_o be_v not_o christ._n pr._n k._n 8.46_o that_o there_o be_v no_o man_n live_v and_o sin_v not_o it_o do_v not_o say_v there_o be_v no_o man_n live_v and_o have_v not_o sin_v an._n he_o that_o abide_v in_o christ_n the_o second_o covenant_n sin_v not_o but_o be_v redeem_v out_o of_o that_o state_n in_o which_o there_o be_v no_o man_n that_o sin_v not_o and_o john_n say_v if_o we_o say_v we_o have_v not_o sin_v we_o make_v he_o a_o liar_n etc._n etc._n 1_o joh._n 1.10_o pr._n their_o beget_n be_v in_o order_n of_o nature_n before_o their_o faith_n an._n whe●e_fw-mi prove_v that_o be_v beget_v in_o the_o unbelief_n then_o and_o not_o in_o the_o faith_n whereas_o the_o word_n which_o beget_v be_v the_o word_n of_o faith_n and_o profit_v not_o where_o it_o be_v not_o mix_v with_o faith_n within_o pr._n those_o of_o your_o way_n have_v hold_v out_o to_o the_o world_n that_o to_o have_v hebrew_n greek_n and_o latin_a be_v a_o mark_n of_o antichrist_n an._n thou_o have_v often_o wrong_v those_o of_o our_o way_n as_o thou_o have_v in_o this_o wherein_o thou_o be_v answer_v at_o first_o pr._n those_o who_o tell_v we_o of_o a_o faith_n in_o christ_n without_o the_o scripture_n have_v no_o light_n in_o they_o second_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n which_o we_o think_v and_o desire_v against_o the_o law_n
unsound_a in_o thou_o and_o thy_o fellow_n to_o oppose_v the_o light_n and_o spirit_n immediate_a teach_n and_o kingdom_n within_o which_o both_o teach_v sufficient_o and_o open_v the_o scripture_n and_o lead_v into_o all_o truth_n and_o to_o scoff_v at_o the_o true_a sence-hereof_a though_o under_o the_o term_n enthusiastic_a or_o enthusiasm_n however_o ironical_o and_o reproachful_o render_v by_o you_o which_o if_o that_o be_v dangerous_a and_o unfound_a then_o be_v divine_o inspire_v unsound_a be_v this_o good_a doctrine_n for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o quo_fw-la deus_fw-la est_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d deus_fw-la divine_a inspire_v enthusiasmus_fw-la a_o inspiration_n it_o be_v the_o inspiration_n of_o the_o almighty_a that_o give_v understanding_n be_v this_o dangerous_a no_o unless_o to_o the_o priest_n to_o discover_v their_o ignorance_n and_o be_v not_o the_o light_n spirit_n kingdom_n within_o communicate_v before_o the_o scripture_n be_v true_o understand_v and_o open_v what_o darkness_n and_o error_n have_v thou_o here_o employ_v and_o signify_v and_o do_v not_o the_o light_n and_o spirit_n bring_v to_o the_o right_a use_n and_o end_n of_o the_o scripture_n which_o be_v give_v by_o inspiration_n priest_n there_o be_v no_o man_n free_a from_o sin_n in_o this_o life_n etc._n etc._n christ_n do_v not_o total_o subdue_v it_o in_o this_o life_n for_o that_o place_n 1_o joh._n 3_o of_o christ_n be_v manifest_a to_o destroy_v the_o work_n of_o the_o devil_n if_o you_o take_v it_o so_o may_v as_o well_o prove_v that_o satan_n shall_v not_o tempt_v a_o child_n of_o god_n a●sw_n this_o plain_o enough_o show_v thy_o confusion_n and_o ignorance_n of_o christ_n manifestation_n and_o work_n and_o of_o his_o virtue_n and_o blood_n which_o destroy_v the_o devil_n work_n cleanse_v from_o all_o sin_n thorough_o purge_v they_o that_o believe_v and_o follow_v he_o second_o thy_o inference_n be_v gross_a and_o absurd_a to_o charge_v all_o with_o sin_n who_o satan_n tempt_v or_o to_o make_v his_o tempt_v god_n child_n a_o reason_n of_o their_o not_o have_v ●n_o total_o subdue_v for_o christ_n be_v tempt_v yet_o sin_v not_o for_o the_o prince_n of_o darkness_n find_v nothing_o in_o he_o and_o he_o that_o abids_v in_o he_o sin_v not_o and_o we_o be_v make_v free_a from_o sin_n and_o become_v the_o servant_n of_o god_n we_o have_v our_o fruit_n unto_o holiness_n be_v not_o this_o the_o good_a end_n of_o christ_n come_n what_o say_v antichrist_n satan_n and_o his_o agent_n and_o sophister_n to_o it_o priest_n neither_o do_v these_o scripture_n 1_o joh._n 3.6_o whoever_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n sin_v not_o or_o that_o ver_fw-la 9_o he_o that_o abids_v in_o he_o commit_v not_o sin_n and_o chap._n 5.18_o the_o evil_a one_o touch_v he_o not_o prove_v any_o thing_n etc._n etc._n do_v they_o not_o prove_v any_o thing_n sad_a doctrine_n be_v this_o divulge_v in_o the_o kirk_n of_o scotland_n thus_o to_o oppose_v not_o only_a christ_n work_n but_o the_o word_n of_o plain_a scripture_n and_o say_v they_o do_v not_o prove_v any_o thing_n when_o as_o they_o viz._n 1_o joh._n 3.6_o 9_o chap._n 5.18_o prove_v that_o whoever_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n sin_v not_o he_o that_o abids_v in_o christ_n sin_v not_o the_o evil_a one_o touch_v he_o not_o do_v this_o prove_v nothing_o do_v not_o this_o equal_o reflect_v upon_o christ_n apostle_n as_o well_o as_o we_o and_o implicit_o say_v they_o shall_v have_v be_v silent_a and_o not_o so_o have_v plead_v christ_n manifestation_n and_o the_o state_n of_o he_o that_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n against_o sin_n antichrist_n and_o deciever_n whereas_o they_o john_n write_v to_o be_v plain_o caution_v not_o to_o be_v decieve_v for_o he_o that_o do_v righteousness_n be_v righteous_a even_o as_o he_o be_v righteous_a priest_n it_o be_v not_o the_o word_n of_o scripture_n pick_v out_o which_o explain_v the_o sense_n etc._n etc._n this_o be_v nothing_o but_o a_o silly_a and_o gross_a cavil_v to_o insist_v upon_o bare_a word_n contrary_a to_o their_o sense_n answ._n must_v we_o then_o go_v to_o the_o priest_n for_o their_o sense_n contrary_a to_o plain_a scripture_n where_o it_o be_v neither_o parable_n nor_o allegory_n who_o pick_v out_o and_o reject_v plain_a scripture_n according_a to_o their_o own_o private_a imagination_n and_o conception_n and_o yet_o other_o while_n in_o contradiction_n to_o themselves_o tell_v we_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n life_n be_v to_o be_v have_v in_o it_o and_o not_o communicate_v without_o it_o but_o yet_o such_o scripture_n as_o apparent_o contradict_v their_o gross_a and_o antichristian_a principle_n they_o can_v throw_v by_o and_o reject_v as_o prove_v nothing_o as_o this_o corrupt_a mind_a man_n have_v priest_n by_o this_o way_n a_o man_n may_v prove_v the_o gross_a blasphemy_n as_o the_o polythrite_v say_v there_o be_v many_o god_n from_o 1_o cor._n 8.5_o yet_o in_o the_o next_o verse_n there_o be_v but_o one_o god_n etc._n etc._n answ._n first_o not_o by_o our_o use_n of_o the_o scripture_n both_o from_o ma●_n right_a mind_n and_o for_o a_o good_a end_n namely_o against_o sin_n second_o and_o if_o in_o the_o next_o verse_n after_o he_o that_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n sin_v not_o thou_o have_v prove_v that_o he_o do_v sin_n in_o that_o he_o be_v tempt_v thou_o have_v say_v something_o to_o thy_o business_n of_o accuse_v all_o god_n child_n with_o sin_n term_v of_o life_n but_o herein_o the_o scripture_n own_o thou_o not_o priest_n that_o 1_o joh._n 3.6_o 9_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v in_o a_o limit_v sense_n namely_o that_o they_o do_v not_o continue_v in_o sin_n wilful_o and_o with_o delight_n without_o repentance_n answ._n that_o be_v not_o john_n sense_n but_o thou_o which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v his_o be_v not_o true_a for_o do_v they_o continue_v in_o sin_n and_o yet_o sin_n not_o this_o be_v a_o contradiction_n or_o do_v t●ey_n continue_v in_o it_o and_o still_o repent_v of_o it_o where_o be_v then_o the_o fruit_n and_o effect_n of_o true_a repentance_n or_o be_v there_o not_o a_o time_n of_o confess_v repent_v and_o time_n of_o forsake_v sin_n and_o cast_v off_o every_o weight_n and_o burden_n and_o of_o be_v cleanse_v from_o all_o unrighteousness_n priest_n they_o do_v not_o commit_v sin_n with_o full_a consent_n without_o control_a of_o the_o motion_n the_o evil_a one_o touch_v they_o not_o to_o entangle_v they_o in_o such_o a_o way_n of_o sin_v etc._n etc._n answ._n as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v they_o do_v commit_v sin_n and_o the_o evil_a one_o do_v touch_v they_o but_o th●y_a sin_n not_o with_o full_a consent_n which_o be_v all_o one_o as_o to_o say_v john_n do_v not_o say_v true_a when_o he_o say_v whoever_o be_v bear_v of_o god_n sin_v not_o the_o wicked_a one_o touch_v he_o not_o etc._n etc._n he_o commit_v not_o sin_n but_o we_o have_v ground_n to_o believe_v he_o before_o satan_n messenger_n who_o thus_o have_v contend_v and_o dispute_v for_o his_o work_n 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thing_n which_o whilst_o they_o do_v your_o stool_n of_o repentance_n will_v not_o absolve_v they_o nor_o prove_v they_o to_o be_v in_o the_o faith_n howbeit_a a_o few_o line●_n before_o in_o contradiction_n to_o thyself_o thou_o confess_v that_o peter_n fall_n do_v weaken_v his_o grace_n and_o cloud_n his_o comfort_n very_o much_o and_o sure_o it_o be_v matter_n of_o sorrow_n and_o bitter_a lamentation_n to_o he_o as_o also_o be_v david_n fall_n to_o he_o for_o which_o he_o suffer_v the_o terror_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o great_a sorrow_n and_o tribulation_n as_o at_o large_a in_o his_o complaint_n and_o prayer_n may_v be_v prove_v pr._n what_o a_o brave_a patron_n of_o your_o cause_n be_v you_o when_o in_o defence_n of_o this_o that_o a_o believer_n may_v not_o sin_n you_o say_v he_o may_v fall_v whole_o away_o from_o grace_n an._n here_o thou_o have_v gross_o pervert_v and_o wrong_v my_o word_n for_o that_o some_o believer_n may_v fall_v be_v not_o my_o defence_n to_o prove_v that_o 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