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plerunque_fw-la rerum_fw-la ipsarum_fw-la nomina_fw-la accipiunt_fw-la sacrament_n do_v often_o take_v the_o name_n of_o the_o thing_n themselves_o and_o again_o non_fw-la dubitavit_fw-la dominus_fw-la dicere_fw-la ult._n contr._n martion_n lib._n 4._o in_o 1._o cor._n 11._o de_fw-fr his_fw-la qui_fw-la init_fw-la mist_n cap._n ult._n hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la cum_fw-la daret_fw-la signum_fw-la corporis_fw-la svi_fw-la the_o lord_n do_v not_o stick_v to_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n when_o he_o give_v the_o sign_n of_o his_o body_n and_o again_o facinus_fw-la vel_fw-la flagitium_fw-la videtur_fw-la inbere_fw-la figura_fw-la ergo_fw-la est_fw-la praecipiens_fw-la passioni_fw-la domini_fw-la esse_fw-la communicandum_fw-la &_o suaviter_fw-la atque_fw-la utiliter_fw-la recondendum_fw-la in_o memoria_fw-la quod_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la caro_fw-la eius_fw-la crucifixa_fw-la &_o vulnerata_fw-la sit_fw-la he_o seem_v to_o command_v a_o heinous_a or_o horrible_a 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functa_fw-la est_fw-la a_o woman_n never_o sacrifice_v nor_o exercise_v the_o priestly_a office_n tryphon_n dialog_n cum_fw-la tryphon_n whereunto_o add_v out_o of_o justine_n martyr_n that_o god_n receive_v no_o sacrifice_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o only_o of_o his_o priest_n whereof_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o annual_a oblation_n that_o tertullian_n speak_v of_o be_v no_o sacrifice_n unless_o you_o will_v say_v 49._o epiph._n haeres_fw-la 49._o that_o tertullian_n be_v a_o priscillianist_n or_o artotyrite_n that_o allow_v of_o roman_a priest_n and_o woman_n bishop_n to_o offer_v bread_n and_o cheese_n in_o sacrifice_n to_o the_o lord_n and_o touch_v ambrose_n i_o show_v before_o that_o he_o offer_v not_o the_o very_a body_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v receive_v of_o merit_n not_o of_o mercy_n how_o irreverent_o soever_o it_o be_v handle_v but_o celebrate_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n join_v with_o prayer_n and_o thanksgiving_n so_o now_o 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