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which_o be_v not_o only_a sign_n but_o also_o do_v cause_n by_o creation_n or_o production_n what_o thing_n he_o please_v and_o how_o he_o please_v to_o conceive_v they_o shall_v be_v for_o we_o never_o hear_v as_o yet_o of_o any_o other_o way_n god_n either_o creatâ—…d_n or_o produce_v any_o thing_n but_o by_o hâ—…s_n bâ—…re_a word_n therefore_o although_o every_o creature_n word_n come_v after_o the_o thing_n it_o signi_v yet_o christ_n word_n which_o be_v both_o a_o practical_a sign_n and_o cause_n of_o thing_n must_v precede_v what_o he_o intend_v to_o create_v produce_v or_o change_v second_o i_o answer_v the_o say_v minor_a that_o whereas_o the_o romish_a doctor_n hold_v transubstantiation_n to_o be_v not_o only_o the_o real_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n bâ—…t_v also_o the_o sign_n and_o sacrament_n thereof_o for_o they_o say_v it_o be_v both_o sacramentum_fw-la &_o res_fw-la the_o sacrament_n and_o the_o thing_n itself_o as_o it_o be_v a_o sacrament_n or_o sign_n we_o say_v it_o presupposeth_a the_o thing_n it_o represent_v viz._n christ_n patible_a body_n upon_o the_o cross_n for_o although_o it_o be_v still_o the_o self_n same_o body_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o still_o in_o the_o self_n same_o manner_n it_o be_v now_o glorify_v and_o it_o be_v then_o patible_a it_o be_v then_o in_o its_o human_a shape_n &_o it_o be_v now_o in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o veil_v under_o the_o sacramental_a species_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o repugnance_n or_o inconvenience_n that_o the_o same_o thing_n shall_v signify_v or_o represent_v its_o own_o self_n when_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o thing_n be_v change_v for_o example_n it_o be_v neither_o repugnant_a or_o inconvenient_a that_o a_o man_n upon_o a_o theatre_n shall_v represent_v and_o signify_v what_o he_o do_v himself_o when_o he_o be_v in_o a_o army_n or_o to_o represent_v his_o own_o youthful_a action_n in_o his_o old_a age_n it_o be_v not_o repugnant_a to_o any_o man_n and_o yet_o the_o selfsame_a man_n be_v the_o representer_n and_o represent_v even_o so_o be_v it_o in_o our_o case_n concern_v christ_n glorify_a body_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o the_o self_n same_o when_o it_o be_v patible_a upon_o the_o cross._n and_o whereas_o mr._n rodon_n say_v that_o it_o be_v rather_o by_o blessing_n the_o bread_n or_o thanksgiving_n that_o the_o bread_n be_v make_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n because_o it_o be_v make_v the_o sacrament_n of_o it_o i_o ask_v he_o this_o question_n if_o a_o bare_a blessing_n or_o thanksgiving_n can_v make_v this_o sacrament_n why_o be_v not_o the_o loaf_n and_o fish_n our_o saviour_n multiply_v for_o those_o that_o follow_v he_o into_o the_o wilderness_n make_v this_o sacrament_n also_o for_o christ_n bless_v they_o and_o give_v the_o glory_n and_o praise_n of_o
carry_v or_o exhibit_v to_o the_o believer_n upon_o or_o by_o a_o bare_a bit_n of_o bread_n or_o in_o a_o cup_n of_o bare_a wine_n but_o how_o nonsensical_a this_o exposition_n be_v and_o how_o ill_o ground_v in_o true_a divinity_n and_o philosoâ—…hy_a i_o will_v present_o prove_v but_o first_o i_o will_v have_v the_o reader_n take_v notice_n that_o these_o word_n sacrament_n or_o sign_n have_v if_o not_o a_o predicamental_a at_o least_o a_o transendental_a relation_n to_o the_o thing_n they_o signify_v what_o be_v formal_a in_o relation_n according_a all_o philosopher_n be_v not_o at_o all_o operative_a or_o exhibitive_a but_o only_o mere_a resultative_a in_o order_n to_o the_o thing_n it_o relate_v unto_o as_o for_o example_n a_o father_n be_v a_o relative_n word_n because_o he_o relate_v to_o his_o son_n the_o formality_n of_o this_o word_n father_n consist_v in_o his_o fatherhood_n and_o the_o entity_n or_o subtract_v whereupon_o fatherhood_n rely_v be_v in_o his_o human_a nature_n for_o he_o be_v a_o man_n before_o he_o can_v be_v a_o father_n it_o be_v not_o the_o fatherhood_n which_o be_v the_o formal_a part_n of_o the_o relative_n that_o operate_v or_o exhibite_v a_o be_v to_o the_o son_n which_o be_v his_o correlative_a word_n but_o his_o humane_a nature_n or_o rather_o his_o act_n of_o generation_n and_o the_o fatherhood_n only_o result_v from_o his_o act_n of_o generation_n and_o look_n upon_o the_o filiation_n or_o as_o one_o may_v say_v sonhood_n which_o be_v operate_v or_o exhibit_v by_o a_o forego_n generative_a act_n so_o that_o although_o the_o father_n and_o his_o act_n of_o generation_n be_v elder_a than_o the_o son_n because_o they_o be_v his_o effective_a or_o exhibitive_a cause_n yet_o the_o fatherhood_n be_v not_o elder_a than_o the_o sonhood_n because_o the_o fatherhood_n which_o be_v but_o a_o mere_a relation_n do_v not_o effect_n or_o exhibit_v the_o sonhood_n but_o only_o relate_v or_o look_v upon_o it_o whence_o follow_v clear_o that_o although_o the_o father_n be_v before_o his_o son_n in_o his_o enâ—…itative_a be_v yet_o he_o be_v not_o a_o father_n before_o he_o have_v a_o son_n or_o child_n in_o his_o fatherhood_n or_o relative_a be_v even_o so_o i_o say_v of_o the_o word_n sacrament_n or_o sign_n which_o be_v also_o relative_a word_n that_o what_o be_v formal_a in_o they_o be_v not_o at_o all_o operative_a or_o exhibitive_a but_o only_o resultative_a because_o they_o only_o behold_v and_o look_v upon_o the_o thing_n they_o signify_v and_o effect_n or_o exhibit_v they_o not_o from_o whence_o follow_v evident_o that_o signification_n which_o be_v the_o formality_n of_o a_o sign_n or_o sacrament_n can_v exhibit_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n to_o the_o believer_n and_o therefore_o if_o any_o thing_n in_o the_o sacrament_n exhibit_v they_o it_o must_v be_v the_o entity_n or_o subtract_v whereupon_o signification_n be_v found_v but_o according_a to_o mr_n de_fw-fr rodon_n the_o entity_n whereupon_o signification_n in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v found_v be_v but_o bare_a bread_n and_o wine_n which_o entity_n be_v not_o exhibitive_a of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n to_o the_o believer_n i_o demonstrate_v thus_o if_o the_o bare_a entity_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n can_v exhibit_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n to_o the_o believer_n as_o often_o as_o they_o be_v receive_v by_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o body_n it_o will_v necessary_a follow_v that_o as_o often_o as_o a_o man_n eat_v or_o drink_v bread_n and_o wine_n they_o convey_v christ_n body_n and_o blood_n into_o his_o soul_n and_o so_o every_o fellow_n that_o drink_v his_o belly_n full_a of_o wine_n although_o he_o drink_v himself_o drink_v especial_o if_o he_o eat_v but_o a_o bit_n of_o bread_n with_o it_o his_o soul_n will_v be_v full_a of_o christ._n but_o it_o be_v both_o impious_a and_o absurd_a to_o say_v that_o christ_n shall_v be_v convey_v into_o a_o drunkardâ—…_n soul_n after_o this_o manner_n therefore_o the_o doctrine_n that_o teach_v this_o be_v absurd_a and_o impious_a the_o major_a i_o prove_v thus_o all_o the_o entity_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n do_v agree_v if_o not_o specifical_o at_o least_o univocal_o that_o be_v to_o say_v as_o a_o man_n a_o horse_n and_o a_o cow_n be_v true_a and_o real_a animal_n and_o this_o word_n animal_n agree_v proper_o to_o every_o of_o they_o so_o the_o word_n bread_n and_o wine_n be_v say_v true_o and_o proper_o of_o all_o sort_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n and_o they_o all_o agree_v in_o name_n but_o according_a to_o all_o divine_n and_o philosopher_n univocal_a cause_n do_v produce_v effect_n alike_o all_o man_n other_o man_n all_o horse_n other_o horse_n and_o so_o â—…orth_o therefore_o if_o the_o entity_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n agree_v univocal_o as_o certain_o they_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o their_o effect_n must_v be_v all_o alike_o and_o consequent_o if_o the_o bare_a entity_n of_o mr._n de_fw-fr rodons_n communion_n bread_n and_o wine_n for_o their_o signification_n as_o i_o have_v already_o prove_v can_v do_v it_o can_v exhibit_v convey_v or_o carry_v christ_n body_n and_o blood_n to_o believer_n the_o entity_n of_o all_o other_o bread_n and_o wine_n can_v do_v so_o also_o for_o they_o agree_v all_o univocaly_a &_o all_o univocal_a cause_n do_v produce_v effect_n a_o like_a therefore_o the_o mounsieur_fw-fr must_v either_o contradict_v all_o philosopher_n and_o be_v the_o only_a philosopher_n himself_o or_o else_o grant_v that_o as_o often_o as_o he_o eat_v and_o drink_v bread_n and_o wine_n which_o be_v perhaps_o too_o much_o and_o too_o often_o in_o a_o day_n he_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n and_o consequent_o if_o as_o often_o as_o he_o take_v bread_n and_o wine_n he_o do_v not_o examine_v himself_o and_o discern_v the_o body_n of_o our_o lord_n according_a to_o the_o apostle_n say_v judicium_fw-la sibi_fw-la mandâ—…cavit_fw-la &_o â—…ibit_fw-la he_o do_v eat_v it_o as_o judas_n do_v to_o his_o own_o damnation_n what_o impious_a nonsensical_a and_o blasphemous_a doctrine_n this_o be_v let_v any_o rational_a man_n consider_v but_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o romanist_n the_o eucharist_n be_v quite_o another_o thing_n they_o say_v that_o bare_a bread_n and_o wine_n be_v not_o the_o subtract_v or_o foundation_n whereupon_o signification_n rely_v in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o that_o the_o sacramental_a species_n be_v the_o foundation_n whereupon_o signification_n be_v ground_v which_o sacramental_a species_n be_v receive_v worthy_o by_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o body_n because_o they_o contain_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n they_o say_v that_o at_o the_o same_o time_n they_o feed_v the_o soul_n also_o because_o they_o have_v a_o spiritual_a exhibitive_a faculty_n to_o convey_v christ_n into_o the_o soul_n and_o work_v upon_o she_o by_o unite_n her_o to_o christ_n and_o make_v she_o one_o os_fw-la his_o mystical_a member_n and_o thus_o the_o soul_n by_o feed_v upon_o his_o body_n now_o glorify_v and_o impatible_a if_o she_o receive_v he_o worthy_o he_o change_v her_o affection_n whole_o into_o himself_o and_o as_o it_o be_v incorporate_n she_o for_o all_o the_o delight_n of_o a_o devout_a soul_n be_v to_o be_v whole_o unite_v and_o absorb_v in_o christ_n and_o yet_o his_o body_n be_v now_o impatible_a and_o glorify_a receive_v no_o damage_n or_o harm_n thereby_o more_o than_o the_o sun_n do_v by_o cast_v his_o beam_n upon_o a_o dunghill_n and_o although_o faith_n be_v necessary_a in_o he_o that_o eat_v this_o bread_n we_o say_v that_o hope_n and_o charity_n must_v also_o accompany_v this_o morsel_n unless_o a_o man_n eat_v it_o to_o his_o damnatian_n for_o faith_n alone_o be_v not_o enough_o to_o give_v it_o a_o relish_n in_o the_o soul._n the_o royal_a prophet_n call_v it_o the_o bread_n of_o angel_n for_o it_o feed_v their_o spirit_n also_o which_o if_o it_o be_v but_o the_o mere_a entity_n of_o bread_n it_o can_v not_o do_v for_o they_o never_o eat_v wafer_n nor_o baker_n bread_n nor_o drink_v of_o the_o entity_n of_o our_o corporal_a wine_n neither_o do_v they_o eat_v the_o sacrament_n itself_o by_o the_o mouth_n of_o faith_n as_o mr._n de_fw-fr rodon_n will_v have_v our_o soul_n to_o eat_v it_o here_o for_o if_o we_o believe_v the_o apostle_n there_o be_v neither_o faith_n nor_o hope_n in_o heaven_n where_o the_o angel_n be_v but_o only_a charity_n and_o since_o we_o be_v come_v to_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o soul_n faith_n for_o so_o the_o mounsieur_fw-fr call_v it_o saying_n by_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o soul_n viz._n by_o faith_n i_o wish_v he_o will_v show_v we_o either_o by_o the_o common_a usage_n of_o speak_v or_o in_o true_a philosophy_n that_o faith_n be_v the_o mouth_n of_o the_o soul._n if_o he_o take_v the_o word_n mouth_n literal_o the_o soul_n be_v a_o pure_a
substance_n and_o it_o be_v proper_o exclude_v from_o all_o the_o predicamental_a accident_n however_o we_o own_o that_o the_o sacramental_a species_n do_v supernatural_o exist_v in_o and_o by_o themselves_o without_o any_o subject_n at_o all_o and_o yet_o we_o deny_v they_o be_v substance_n therefore_o because_o although_o they_o exist_v supernatural_o in_o and_o by_o themselves_o as_o subject_n do_v exist_v natural_o in_o and_o by_o themselves_o yet_o their_o existence_n be_v for_o unlike_a for_o their_o existence_n have_v a_o natural_a inclination_n and_o propensity_n to_o their_o proper_a subject_n if_o they_o be_v restore_v to_o their_o be_v again_o but_o substantial_a existence_n have_v no_o such_o inclination_n or_o propension_n to_o any_o subject_n so_o that_o the_o sacramental_a species_n although_o they_o exist_v in_o and_o by_o themselves_o supernatural_o and_o miraculous_o by_o the_o power_n of_o god_n like_a substance_n yet_o they_o be_v still_o essential_o accident_n â—…or_n they_o retain_v their_o aptitudinal_n inherence_n and_o inclination_n to_o their_o proper_a subject_n which_o aptitudinal_n inherence_n substance_n have_v not_o rodon_n 7._o every_o sacrament_n be_v a_o visible_a sign_n of_o a_o invisible_a grace_n as_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n say_v in_o sess_v â—…_n and_o every_o sign_n reâ—…ates_v to_o the_o thing_n signify_v so_o that_o we_o must_v speak_v of_o sign_n and_o saâ—…raments_n as_o of_o thing_n relate_v to_o something_o else_o but_o all_o relative_n thing_n have_v as_o it_o be_v a_o double_a be_v viz._n a_o absolute_a be_v which_o be_v the_o natural_a be_v of_o the_o thing_n and_o a_o relative_a be_v whereby_o it_o relate_v to_o something_o else_o for_o example_n in_o a_o man_n that_o have_v beget_v a_o child_n we_o consider_v his_o absolute_a and_o natural_a be_v as_o he_o be_v a_o man_n as_o other_o be_v and_o his_o relative_a be_v whereby_o he_o be_v a_o father_n and_o be_v distinguish_v from_o other_o man_n that_o have_v no_o child_n and_o so_o be_v not_o father_n so_o in_o the_o sacrament_n of_o bapâ—…ism_n the_o sign_n viz._n the_o water_n 〈◊〉_d a_o absolute_a and_o natural_a be_v viz._n it_o be_v cold_a and_o moist_a substance_n whereby_o it_o be_v water_n as_o other_o water_n be_v and_o a_o relative_a sacramental_a and_o significative_a be_v whereby_o it_o be_v the_o sign_n and_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n blood_n even_o so_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n the_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o be_v the_o sign_n have_v their_o natural_a and_o â—…blute_a be_v viz._n their_o substance_n whereby_o they_o be_v bread_n and_o wine_n as_o other_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o we_o common_o use_v and_o their_o relative_a sâ—…cramental_a and_o significative_a be_v whereby_o they_o be_v the_o sacrament_n and_o sign_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n and_o differ_v from_o all_o other_o bread_n and_o wine_n that_o be_v not_o thus_o employ_v to_o this_o i_o add_v tâ—…at_v it_o be_v impossible_a a_o relative_a be_v shall_v be_v without_o a_o absolute_a because_o a_o relative_a can_v be_v withouâ—…_n its_o foundation_n for_o example_n it_o be_v impossible_a to_o be_v a_o father_n without_o be_v a_o man_n to_o be_v equal_a without_o quantity_n etc._n etc._n and_o this_o be_v grant_v i_o form_v my_o argument_n thus_o that_o which_o take_v away_o the_o natural_a be_v from_o sign_n and_o sacrament_n destroy_v their_o naturâ—…_n and_o essence_n because_o the_o relative_a and_o sacramental_a being_n can_v be_v without_o the_o absolute_a and_o natural_a as_o have_v be_v prove_v bâ—…_n the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n destroy_v the_o natural_a be_v of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o be_v sign_n and_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n for_o by_o transubstantiation_n the_o whole_a substance_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v destroy_v therefore_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n destroy_v the_o nature_n and_o essence_n of_o sacrament_n answ._n all_o this_o doctrine_n viz._n as_o concern_v the_o definition_n of_o a_o sacrament_n that_o it_o be_v a_o relative_a and_o that_o all_o relative_n have_v a_o double_a be_v and_o that_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o a_o relative_a be_v shall_v be_v without_o a_o absolute_a we_o grant_v we_o grant_v also_o that_o the_o substantial_a entity_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o be_v the_o subject_n and_o foundation_n whereupon_o the_o sacramental_a species_n before_o the_o word_n of_o consecration_n rely_v be_v by_o the_o same_o word_n of_o consecration_n destroy_v or_o rather_o change_v into_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n and_o yet_o we_o deny_v that_o transubstantiation_n destroy_v the_o nature_n of_o sacrament_n and_o the_o reason_n be_v this_o because_o signification_n which_o be_v the_o formal_a part_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v not_o destroy_v and_o this_o signification_n rely_v upon_o the_o quantitative_a and_o qualitative_a accident_n of_o the_o 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remain_v still_o verify_v that_o a_o relative_a be_v be_v not_o without_o a_o absolute_a be_v
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hierom_n also_o a_o old_a father_n and_o one_o of_o the_o chief_a doctor_n of_o christ_n church_n inferior_a to_o none_o in_o sanctity_n and_o learning_n be_v unanimous_a with_o the_o rest_n in_o this_o point_n nec_fw-la moses_n say_v he_o dedit_fw-la vobis_fw-la panem_fw-la verum_fw-la sed_fw-la dominus_fw-la jesus_n ipse_fw-la conviva_fw-la &_o convivium_fw-la ipse_fw-la comedens_fw-la &_o qui_fw-la comeditur_fw-la neither_o do_v moses_n give_v you_o the_o true_a bread_n but_o our_o lord_n jesus_n he_o be_v the_o inviter_n and_o the_o feast_n ne_o the_o eater_n and_o the_o eat_v s._n ambrose_n must_v not_o be_v forget_v who_o in_o all_o persection_n be_v equal_a to_o any_o of_o the_o rest_n he_o say_v lib._n de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la quod_fw-la erat_fw-la panis_fw-la ante_fw-la consecrationem_fw-la jam_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la est_fw-la post_fw-la consecrationem_fw-la what_o be_v but_o bread_n before_o the_o consecration_n after_o consecration_n be_v the_o body_n of_o 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to_o who_o he_o say_v math._n 4._o follow_v i_o and_o i_o will_v make_v you_o fisher_n of_o man_n and_o when_o he_o say_v elsewhere_o you_o be_v the_o salt_n of_o the_o earth_n and_o the_o light_n of_o the_o world_n etc._n etc._n to_o this_o i_o add_v the_o apostle_n do_v ask_v jesus_n christ_n the_o meaning_n of_o parable_n and_o other_o thing_n which_o they_o do_v not_o understand_v and_o therefore_o certain_o they_o have_v much_o more_o reason_n to_o ask_v the_o meaning_n of_o so_o many_o strange_a thing_n as_o follow_v from_o the_o mass_n from_o transubstantiation_n and_o from_o the_o pretend_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o host_n viz._n how_o a_o human_a body_n can_v be_v in_o a_o point_n and_o in_o divers_a place_n at_o once_o how_o the_o head_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o his_o whole_a body_n can_v be_v in_o his_o mouth_n how_o accident_n can_v be_v without_o a_o subject_n etc._n etc._n answ._n i_o do_v not_o
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lamb_n signify_v the_o thing_n typify_v viz._n christ_n bloody_a sacrifice_n better_a than_o the_o eucharist_n do_v if_o you_o take_v away_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n from_o the_o sacrament_n or_o cut_v off_o the_o immediate_a signification_n of_o these_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n upon_o which_o word_n the_o signification_n of_o the_o eucharist_n do_v whole_o depend_v rodon_n last_o i_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v far_o lesâ—…_n inconvenient_a to_o give_v some_o prerogative_n to_o the_o passeover_n above_o the_o eucharist_n viz._n to_o give_v it_o a_o more_o excellent_a matter_n and_o anology_n then_o to_o assert_v the_o corporal_a presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o host_n by_o a_o unheard_a of_o transubstantiation_n which_o destroy_v the_o nature_n of_o sacrament_n give_v our_o lord_n a_o monstrous_a body_n include_v notorious_a absurdity_n and_o contradiction_n and_o give_v the_o lie_n to_o sense_n reason_n and_o holy_a scripture_n as_o have_v be_v prove_v answ._n this_o last_o 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according_a to_o this_o rate_n we_o have_v better_o fall_v to_o circumcise_n ourselves_o become_v jew_n and_o forsake_v baptism_n and_o consequent_o our_o christianity_n for_o if_o the_o passeover_n may_v without_o offence_n excel_v the_o eucharist_n in_o matter_n and_o analogy_n or_o signification_n why_o may_v not_o circumcision_n also_o excel_v baptism_n away_o away_o then_o with_o this_o blasphemous_a liar_n who_o vain_o and_o false_o boast_v of_o his_o nonsensical_a proof_n that_o transubstantiation_n destroy_v the_o nature_n of_o sacrament_n give_v our_o lord_n a_o monstrous_a new_a body_n includ_v notorious_a absurdity_n and_o contradiction_n etc._n etc._n for_o all_o his_o silly_a proof_n be_v already_o destroy_v shatter_a &_o quash_v by_o i_o in_o their_o due_a place_n this_o be_v reader_n that_o malapert_v civilian_n i_o tell_v you_o of_o a_o little_a before_o who_o so_o well_o deserve_v his_o fee_n and_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o he_o receive_v it_o by_o this_o time_n 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