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A86003 Male audis or An answer to Mr. Coleman his Malè dicis. Wherein the repugnancy of his Erastian doctrine to the word of God, to the solemne League and Covenant, and to the ordinances of Parliament: also his contradictions, tergiversations, heterodoxies, calumnies, and perverting of testimonies, are made more apparent then formerly. Together with some animadversions upon Master Hussey his Plea for Christian magistracy: shewing, that in divers of the afore mentioned particulars he hath miscarried as much, and in some particulars more then Mr Coleman. / By George Gillespie, minister at Edinbrugh. Published by authority. Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1646 (1646) Wing G754; Thomason E317_16; ESTC R200545 44,904 65

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oh_o let_v no_o more_o any_o such_o gross_a calumny_n be_v find_v among_o those_o who_o profess_v to_o be_v brethren_n second_o master_n hussey_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o myself_o give_v it_o out_o that_o i_o say_v we_o have_v leave_v from_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n which_o he_o interpret_v as_o if_o i_o deny_v that_o we_o preach_v the_o word_n with_o authority_n from_o christ_n it_o be_v de_fw-la facto_fw-la not_o de_fw-la jure_fw-la that_o i_o speak_v it_o the_o magistrate_n have_v power_n in_o his_o hand_n to_o hinder_v both_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n if_o he_o be_v a_o adversary_n though_o it_o be_v the_o will_n of_o christ_n that_o there_o be_v both_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n and_o the_o authority_n of_o both_o be_v from_o christ_n when_o the_o magistrate_n assist_v or_o countenance_v or_o so_o much_o as_o he_o do_v not_o hinder_v the_o preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n than_o he_o give_v leave_v to_o it_o three_o master_n coleman_n in_o his_o maledicis_fw-la pag._n 1._o say_v i_o be_o confident_a the_o church_n of_o scotland_n send_v this_o commissioner_n to_o dispute_v down_o our_o reason_n not_o to_o revile_v our_o person_n maledicis_fw-la maledicis_fw-la pag._n 1._o why_o do_v he_o not_o if_o he_o can_v give_v instance_n of_o some_o revile_v word_n write_v by_o i_o against_o his_o person_n i_o have_v not_o so_o learned_a christ_n the_o lord_n rebuke_v every_o rail_n and_o revile_v spirit_n i_o have_v give_v he_o reason_n against_o rail_v he_o have_v give_v i_o rail_v against_o reason_n i_o speak_v to_o his_o doctrine_n he_o speak_v to_o my_o place_n and_o relation_n which_o be_v both_o the_o alpha_fw-gr and_o omega_n of_o his_o maledicis_fw-la three_o ibid._n knowledge_n say_v he_o be_v only_o with_o mr._n gillespie_n other_o understand_v neither_o what_o they_o say_v nor_o whereof_o they_o affirm_v he_o will_v soon_o bring_v water_n out_o of_o flint_n then_o prove_v this_o consequence_n out_o of_o my_o title_n page_n although_o i_o confess_v himself_o have_v affirm_v divers_a thing_n of_o the_o church_n of_o scotland_n which_o he_o do_v not_o understand_v as_o i_o have_v make_v plain_o to_o appear_v if_o he_o take_v a_o review_n of_o the_o title_n page_n of_o his_o re-examination_n he_o give_v more_o ground_n for_o this_o consequence_n that_o mr._n coleman_n be_v the_o only_a man_n that_o deny_v himself_o other_o seek_v great_a thing_n for_o themselves_o or_o from_o the_o title_n page_n of_o his_o maledicis_fw-la this_o consequence_n will_v be_v as_o good_a that_o mr._n coleman_n be_v the_o only_a man_n that_o bless_v other_o be_v reviler_n four_o thus_o say_v mr._n coleman_n o_o y●e_n honourable_a house_n of_o parliament_n take_v you_o notice_n that_o you_o manage_v that_o great_a place_n of_o you_o under_o christ_n and_o for_o christ_n he_o be_v your_o head_n and_o you_o be_v his_o servant_n and_o take_v you_o notice_n withal_o that_o mr._n gillespy_n account_v this_o your_o reproach_n maledicis_fw-la maledicis_fw-la pag._n 17._o but_o o_o you_o honourable_a house_n of_o parliament_n be_v please_v to_o take_v notice_n of_o my_o own_o plain_a expression_n of_o my_o mind_n in_o my_o nihil_fw-la respondes_fw-la pag._n 13._o the_o christian_a magistrate_n manage_v his_o office_n under_o and_o for_o christ_n that_o be_v so_o as_o to_o be_v serviceable_a for_o the_o kingdom_n and_o glory_n of_o christ_n and_o now_o judge_v whether_o it_o be_v suitable_a to_o the_o sincerity_n and_o candour_n of_o a_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n to_o endeavour_v to_o make_v i_o odious_a to_o authority_n by_o impute_v to_o i_o that_o which_o not_o only_o i_o do_v not_o say_v but_o the_o contrary_a whereof_o i_o do_v plain_o express_v the_o thing_n which_o i_o charge_v his_o doctrine_n with_o be_v this_o that_o by_o hold_v all_o government_n to_o be_v give_v to_o christ_n as_o mediator_n and_o from_o he_o as_o mediator_n derive_v to_o the_o magistrate_n as_o his_o vicegerent_n he_o shake_v the_o foundation_n of_o magistracy_n i_o be_o sure_a that_o which_o i_o hold_v that_o all_o lawful_a magistrate_n be_v power_n ordain_v by_o god_n and_o be_v to_o be_v honour_v and_o obey_v as_o god_n vicegerent_n be_v a_o firm_a and_o strong_a foundation_n for_o magistracy_n but_o that_o which_o mr._n coleman_n and_o mr._n hussey_n hold_v viz._n that_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n hold_v his_o office_n of_o under_o and_o for_o christ_n as_o he_o be_v mediator_n and_o do_v act_n vice_fw-la christi_fw-la as_o christ_n vicegerent_n give_v a_o most_o dangerous_a wound_n to_o christian_a magistracy_n which_o i_o can_v demonstrate_v in_o many_o particular_n i_o shall_v now_o give_v instance_n only_o in_o these_o few_o first_o they_o must_v prove_v from_o scripture_n that_o christ_n as_o mediator_n have_v give_v a_o commission_n of_o vicegerentship_n to_o christian_a magistrate_n and_o appoint_v they_o not_o only_o to_o be_v seviceable_a to_o he_o and_o to_o do_v his_o work_n for_o that_o 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earthly_a king_n john_n 6._o 15._o therefore_o by_o their_o principle_n the_o christian_a magistrate_n ought_v to_o forbear_v and_o avoid_v all_o these_o a_o five_o calumny_n be_v this_o mr._n coleman_n descant_v upon_o the_o government_n mention_v 1_o cor._n 12._o 28._o charge_v i_o with_o a_o circular_a argumentation_n he_o circular_o argue_v say_v he_o they_o be_v civil_a because_o god_n place_v they_o there_o and_o god_n place_v they_o there_o because_o they_o be_v civil_a maledicis_fw-la maledicis_fw-la pag._n 9_o i_o neither_o argue_v the_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o they_o be_v both_o sir_n of_o your_o own_o forge_n but_o this_o be_v not_o your_o first_o allegation_n of_o this_o kind_n i_o sometime_o admire_v what_o oscitancy_n or_o supine_a negligence_n to_o judge_v it_o no_o worse_o this_o can_v be_v to_o fancy_v to_o yourself_o that_o i_o have_v say_v what_o you_o