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A10170 The other parte of Christian questions and answeares which is concerning the sacraments, writte[n] by Theodore Beza Vezelian: to which is added a large table of the same questions. Translated out of Latine into Englishe by Iohn Field.; Quaestionum et responsionum Christianarum libellus. Pars altera. English Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605.; Fielde, John, d. 1588. 1580 (1580) STC 2045; ESTC S109027 101,745 336

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notwithstanding_o not_o in_o himself_o but_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o other_o nature_n too_o wit_n the_o worde_n but_o the_o human_a nature_n of_o christ_n be_v not_o the_o godhead_n neither_o in_o itself_o nor_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o word_n but_o if_o it_o can_v be_v say_v too_o be_v every_o where_n therefore_o it_o be_v only_o say_v because_o it_o be_v one_o real_a be_v with_o the_o word_n and_o so_o subsi_v in_o the_o same_o worde_n every_o where_o present_a 48._o question_n what_o therefore_o be_v the_o sacramental_a conjunction_n of_o the_o sign_n &_o of_o christ_n himself_o answer_n that_o which_o agree_v to_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o too_o their_o end_n now_o we_o have_v declare_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v such_o that_o by_o the_o sign_n offer_v themselves_o too_o our_o outward_a sense_n our_o mind_n in_o a_o cértaine_a proportion_n may_v be_v carry_v first_o indeed_o to_o behold_v the_o thing_n signify_v and_o afterwards_o unto_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v therefore_o set_v before_o we_o to_o be_v look_v upon_o that_o they_o may_v be_v apprehend_v and_o through_o faith_n by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v more_o and_o more_o apply_v unto_o our_o mind_n 49._o question_n to_o be_v short_a than_o what_o manner_n of_o presence_n be_v this_o answer_n certain_o not_o that_o which_o respect_v situation_n of_o place_n but_o that_o which_o be_v altogether_o respective_a or_o rather_o of_o relation_n and_o belong_v too_o another_o for_o a_o sacrament_n be_v in_o that_o predicament_n which_o the_o logician_n call_v relation_n question_n i_o will_v glad_o have_v this_o make_v more_o easy_a unto_o i_o answer_n i_o will_v do_v it_o if_o i_o can_v but_o i_o will_v that_o now_o for_o a_o while_o the_o person_n be_v change_v that_o myself_o shall_v take_v the_o part_n of_o ask_v &_o thou_o of_o answer_v be_v not_o word_n the_o note_n of_o those_o thing_n that_o we_o will_v have_v signify_v in_o every_o tongue_n to_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o hearer_n by_o certain_a sound_n question_n yes_o very_o answer_n what_o if_o i_o shall_v contend_v that_o every_o thing_n whereof_o i_o shall_v speak_v must_v be_v present_a in_o very_a deed_n question_n sure_o that_o shall_v seem_v unto_o i_o very_o foolish_a see_v we_o may_v speak_v also_o of_o thing_n past_a and_o of_o thing_n to_o come_v yea_o of_o thing_n which_o never_o be_v be_v not_o yet_o or_o perhaps_o never_o shall_v be_v answer_n notwithstanding_o of_o whatsoever_o thing_n i_o shall_v speak_v i_o shall_v represent_v the_o same_o by_o my_o word_n unto_o thy_o mind_n question_n it_o be_v so_o answer_n thing_n therefore_o be_v signify_v by_o those_o voice_n whereby_o they_o be_v signify_v not_o by_o a_o natural_a situation_n and_o too_o be_v short_a not_o by_o their_o own_o substance_n but_o by_o a_o certain_a
respect_n or_o phrase_n of_o speech_n &_o habit_n of_o word_n add_v so_o far_o forth_o as_o they_o settle_v they_o as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o hearer_n 50._o question_n i_o pray_v thou_o declare_v this_o unto_o i_o more_o plain_o answer_n know_v thou_o that_o the_o copulation_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o of_o the_o thing_n signify_v by_o the_o sacrament_n be_v altogether_o like_a for_o as_o augustine_n say_v very_o witte_o the_o sacrament_n be_v as_o it_o be_v some_o visible_a word_n as_o that_o which_o the_o word_n sound_v too_o the_o ear_n the_o same_o they_o show_v to_o the_o eye_n therefore_o they_o question_v most_o fond_o here_o of_o the_o real_a presence_n see_v that_o real_a presence_n or_o rather_o of_o the_o matter_n and_o substance_n itself_o in_o a_o certain_a place_n &_o the_o sacramental_a presence_n be_v not_o indeed_o continual_o repugnaunt_a and_o contrary_a but_o yet_o notwithstanding_o they_o so_o far_o forth_o differ_v betwirte_n themselves_o that_o that_o also_o which_o in_o very_a deed_n yet_o be_v not_o yet_o be_v sacramental_o present_a whereto_o paul_n have_v regard_n he_o say_v that_o the_o father_n do_v eat_v the_o same_o meat_n 4._o 1._o cor._n 10._o 3._o 4._o and_o drink_v the_o same_o drink_n too_o wit_n christ_n and_o it_o be_v so_o far_o off_o that_o this_o sacramental_a knit_n shall_v be_v in_o vain_a that_o contrariwise_o as_o we_o shall_v say_v in_o his_o place_n it_o be_v more_o effectual_a they_o any_o natural_a copulation_n 51._o question_n but_o who_o make_v this_o mutual_a or_o respective_a copulation_n answer_n the_o will_n of_o god_n declare_v in_o the_o word_n of_o institution_n question_n will_v thou_o therefore_o that_o we_o entreat_v of_o consecration_n answer_n i_o will_v rather_o for_o certain_a special_a cause_n refer_v all_o this_o to_o the_o treatise_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n 52._o question_n do_v they_o not_o therefore_o make_v frustrate_v the_o sign_n whosoever_o teach_v that_o the_o thing_n signify_v be_v absent_a from_o his_o substance_n answer_n sure_o they_o do_v not_o make_v they_o void_a unless_o we_o say_v that_o they_o be_v vain_a word_n whereby_o we_o do_v no_o less_o engrave_v in_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o hearer_n thing_n absent_a than_o thing_n present_a question_n who_o then_o make_v they_o void_a answer_n they_o that_o teach_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v only_o bare_a memorial_n of_o thing_n pastor_n badge_n of_o christian_a mutual_a fellow_n ship_n or_o that_o the_o thing_n which_o be_v signify_v by_o they_o be_v not_o true_o offer_v to_o be_v lay_v hold_n upon_o with_o the_o instrument_n of_o faith_n as_o it_o be_v by_o the_o hand_n 53._o question_n now_o i_o will_v thou_o shall_v declare_v unto_o i_o what_o manner_n of_o partake_v that_o be_v both_o of_o the_o sign_n &_o of_o the_o thing_n signify_v answer_n i_o suppose_v thou_o can_v not_o doubt_v of_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o question_n for_o see_v the_o sign_n be_v bodily_a thing_n they_o be_v also_o natural_o receive_v by_o the_o instrument_n of_o the_o body_n of_o all_o that_o come_v thereto_o 54._o question_n let_v we_o therefore_o speak_v of_o that_o other_o part_n of_o this_o question_n that_o be_v of_o the_o partake_n of_o the_o thing_n signify_v answer_n we_o have_v show_v that_o christ_n himself_o with_o his_o gift_n be_v the_o thing_n signify_v of_o which_o gift_n some_o of_o they_o be_v make_v we_o by_o imputation_n but_o the_o other_o be_v wrought_v in_o we_o and_o clean_o too_o us._n i_o say_v therefore_o that_o these_o seeing_z they_o be_v mere_a quality_n as_o they_o be_v offer_v to_o the_o mind_n only_o so_o they_o be_v lay_v hold_v of_o by_o the_o only_a instrument_n of_o the_o mind_n yet_o endue_v with_o faith_n which_o be_v the_o only_a hand_n of_o the_o mind_n to_o embrace_v the_o promise_n of_o god._n this_o whole_a partake_n therefore_o be_v every_o manner_n of_o way_n spiritual_a for_o that_o whereof_o we_o be_v partaker_n be_v of_o a_o spiritual_a nature_n and_o be_v wrought_v by_o a_o spiritual_a instrument_n yea_o and_o the_o whole_a action_n of_o this_o instrument_n be_v spiritual_a 55._o question_n but_o thou_o can_v not_o say_v the_o same_o of_o christ_n as_o who_o be_v not_o be_v a_o quality_n according_a to_o either_o nature_n or_o any_o such_o like_a thing_n answer_n yea_o but_o first_o of_o all_o concern_v the_o very_a person_n of_o the_o word_n i_o suppose_v that_o it_o be_v a_o very_a wicked_a thing_n too_o think_v that_o we_o can_v be_v partaker_n of_o it_o otherwise_o then_o by_o virtue_n and_o operation_n for_o otherwise_o we_o also_o shall_v become_v god_n by_o nature_n and_o so_o that_o place_n 2._o pet._n 1._o ver_fw-la 4._o be_v to_o be_v expound_v and_o all_o such_o other_o like_o place_n as_o all_o interpreter_n of_o any_o name_n or_o credit_n agree_v question_n i_o agree_v to_o it_o and_o i_o detest_v that_o dotage_n of_o the_o manichee_n renew_v by_o seruetus_fw-la think_v god_n to_o be_v so_o present_a in_o all_o thing_n that_o he_o be_v also_o a_o part_n of_o they_o but_o what_o say_v thou_o of_o the_o humane_a nature_n of_o christ_n answer_n neither_o do_v thou_o as_o i_o suppose_v think_v the_o substance_n thereof_o in_o very_a deed_n too_o be_v join_v with_o our_o soul_n for_o what_o be_v more_o foolish_a than_o this_o soulder_a and_o seal_v together_o of_o mind_n but_o thou_o will_v not_o say_v that_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o soul_n can_v be_v lay_v hold_n upon_o by_o any_o organ_n or_o instrument_n of_o the_o body_n 56._o question_n but_o what_o shall_v we_o think_v the_o same_o of_o the_o very_a body_n of_o christ_n answer_n i_o grant_v that_o bodily_a thing_n may_v be_v participate_v by_o bodily_a sense_n but_o i_o utter_o reject_v that_o real_a touch_v and_o cleave_v together_o of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n with_o our_o body_n as_o a_o monster_n than_o which_o nothing_o can_v be_v feign_a more_o false_a and_o less_o fit_n for_o the_o end_n of_o the_o sacrament_n pretend_v they_o what_o they_o will_v for_o the_o maintenance_n of_o this_o dotage_n question_n therefore_o say_v why_o thou_o call_v that_o false_a answer_n because_o now_o it_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v make_v too_o agree_v with_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o limit_a flesh_n of_o christ_n and_o it_o be_v altogether_o contrary_a to_o the_o whole_a history_n of_o the_o gospel_n as_o i_o shall_v show_v in_o his_o place_n question_n and_o why_o serve_v it_o not_o for_o the_o end_n of_o the_o sacrament_n answer_n because_o the_o whole_a sacramental_a action_n be_v whole_o refer_v too_o everlasting_a life_n and_o therefore_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v that_o this_o partake_n must_v be_v wrought_v by_o the_o mind_n and_o by_o faith_n and_o not_o by_o the_o instrument_n of_o the_o body_n wherefore_o also_o as_o the_o outward_a sign_n be_v set_v forth_o too_o the_o outward_a sense_n so_o the_o thing_n signify_v be_v set_v forth_o to_o our_o understanding_n and_o faith_n 57_o question_n but_o if_o thou_o take_v away_o the_o partake_n of_o the_o substance_n itself_o then_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n of_o christ_n or_o in_o steed_n of_o christ_n himself_o thou_o only_o place_v the_o virtue_n of_o he_o answer_n yea_o but_o i_o do_v not_o take_v away_o that_o same_o partake_n of_o christ_n himself_o for_o even_o like_a as_o the_o body_n be_v nourish_v with_o meat_n in_o this_o life_n and_o that_o must_v first_o be_v take_v in_o very_a deed_n so_o also_o i_o determine_v which_o also_o i_o have_v say_v before_o that_o we_o must_v partake_v of_o christ_n himself_o so_o as_o we_o must_v be_v make_v one_o with_o he_o in_o very_a deed_n that_o that_o same_o lively_a ivyce_n may_v be_v derive_v out_o of_o he_o into_o us._n for_o he_o neither_o say_v this_o be_v my_o merit_n or_o this_o be_v the_o fruit_n of_o my_o passion_n but_o this_o be_v my_o body_n neither_o say_v paul_n that_o we_o be_v only_o baptize_v into_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n but_o that_o we_o also_o do_v put_v on_o christ_n or_o that_o the_o bread_n which_o 16._o rom._n 6._o 34._o 2._o cor._n 10._o 16._o we_o break_v be_v the_o partake_n of_o his_o benefit_n but_o the_o partake_n of_o his_o body_n therefore_o that_o i_o may_v return_v to_o the_o matter_n i_o do_v not_o take_v away_o the_o body_n itself_o that_o i_o may_v place_v the_o virtue_n thereof_o instead_o of_o the_o thing_n signify_v now_o that_o which_o be_v signify_v by_o the_o sacrament_n that_o very_a self_n same_o thing_n be_v give_v to_o the_o end_n we_o shall_v be_v partaker_n thereof_o in_o very_a deed_n neither_o do_v i_o deny_v that_o we_o be_v partaker_n of_o christ_n indeed_o but_o i_o affirm_v this_o partake_n or_o lay_v hold_n of_o or_o
say_v i_o baptise_v thou_o or_o whither_o let_v the_o servant_n of_o christ_n be_v baptize_v it_o make_v no_o matter_n so_o that_o the_o form_n of_o the_o action_n itself_o which_o they_o exercise_v be_v keep_v but_o notwithstanding_o that_o i_o may_v speak_v plain_o as_o the_o matter_n be_v the_o form_n keep_v in_o the_o latin_a church_n seem_v unto_o i_o to_o come_v more_o near_o to_o the_o commandment_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o to_o be_v more_o fit_n to_o confirm_v the_o faith_n of_o he_o which_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v question_n why_o so_o answer_n because_o the_o minister_n speak_v of_o himself_o when_o he_o say_v in_o the_o first_o person_n i_o baptise_v and_o then_o add_v the_o pronoune_n thou_o do_v make_v the_o mind_n of_o he_o which_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v more_o attentive_a aswell_o to_o mark_v the_o outward_a action_n as_o though_o god_n himself_o be_v present_a do_v the_o self_n same_o thing_n by_o himself_o which_o the_o minister_n witness_v by_o his_o word_n as_o also_o too_o apply_v the_o the_o promise_n unto_o himself_o proper_o and_o peculiar_o 157._o question_n but_o the_o child_n which_o be_v baptize_v understand_v none_o of_o these_o thing_n answer_n i_o grant_v it_o but_o he_o shall_v understande_v it_o in_o his_o time_n because_o as_o i_o say_v before_o the_o virtue_n of_o these_o word_n through_o out_o the_o whole_a life_n of_o they_o that_o be_v baptize_v show_v his_o power_n in_o all_o tentation_n so_o that_o we_o be_v at_o the_o very_a point_n of_o death_n may_v and_o ought_v even_o with_o this_o only_a buckler_n beat_v back_o all_o those_o late_a temptation_n of_o satan_n avaunt_o satan_n for_o when_o i_o be_v yet_o deaf_a i_o hear_v one_o that_o say_v untoo_o i_o in_o the_o name_n and_o by_o the_o commandment_n of_o my_o saviour_n i_o baptise_v thou_o n._n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o son_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n this_o same_o baptism_n be_v untoo_o i_o a_o sure_a pledge_n that_o i_o be_o cleanse_v from_o all_o my_o sin_n and_o endue_v with_o the_o righteousness_n of_o my_o christ_n together_o with_o who_o i_o die_v and_o be_v bury_v i_o have_v now_o begin_v to_o arise_v again_o in_o my_o mind_n and_o shall_v full_o at_o the_o length_n also_o rise_v again_o in_o my_o flesh_n to_o everlasting_a life_n 158._o question_n but_o forasmuch_o as_o we_o sin_v every_o moment_n and_o our_o sin_n be_v wash_v away_o by_o baptism_n how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o baptism_n be_v not_o often_o minister_v to_o one_o especial_o see_v we_o minister_v the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n oftentimes_o answer_n it_o be_v enough_o that_o we_o be_v once_o regenerate_v and_o enter_v intoo_o the_o church_n from_o whence_o none_o that_o be_v elect_v be_v cast_v out_o but_o to_o be_v feed_v once_o in_o the_o church_n suffice_v not_o 159._o question_n yea_o but_o do_v not_o sin_n shut_v we_o out_o of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n answer_n no_o not_o so_o for_o so_o none_o shall_v remain_v in_o the_o church_n forasmuch_o as_o every_o one_o be_v a_o liar_n that_o say_v he_o have_v no_o sin_n oursinne_v therefore_o indeed_o yea_o our_o least_o sin_n deserve_v a_o shut_n out_o from_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n but_o to_o the_o elect_a enjoy_v the_o favour_n of_o god_n they_o be_v not_o impute_v therefore_o saint_n paul_n say_v not_o rom._n 8._o 1_o that_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n but_o that_o there_o be_v no_o condemnation_n too_o they_o which_o be_v in_o christ_n jesus_n question_n let_v we_o therefore_o sin_n that_o grace_n may_v abound_v answer_n yea_o but_o christian_a faith_n can_v by_o no_o mean_n admit_v this_o for_o it_o believe_v nothing_o but_o that_o the_o word_n of_o promise_n offer_v now_o there_o be_v no_o promise_n of_o pardon_n but_o to_o those_o that_o repent_v and_o amend_v and_o none_o be_v further_o of_o from_o repentance_n and_o amendment_n than_o they_o that_o witting_o abuse_v the_o patience_n of_o god_n to_o sin_n therefore_o the_o gift_n of_o true_a repentance_n be_v also_o proper_o belong_v to_o the_o elect_a 160._o question_n but_o what_o will_v thou_o say_v of_o those_o that_o be_v excommunicate_v for_o the_o lawful_a judgement_n of_o the_o church_n by_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n do_v in_o the_o earth_n be_v ratify_v in_o the_o heaven_n matth._n 18._o 18._o now_o they_o that_o be_v excommunicate_v be_v cast_v out_o of_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o church_n 1._o cor._n 5._o 1._o and_o therefore_o out_o of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n answer_n no_o man_n can_v more_o doubt_n that_o the_o judgement_n of_o lawful_a excommunication_n be_v ratify_v in_o the_o heaven_n then_o if_o the_o son_n of_o god_n himself_o shall_v pronounce_v the_o sentence_n forasmuch_o as_o the_o church_n do_v that_o which_o it_o do_v in_o his_o name_n yet_o notwithstanding_o thou_o gaine_v not_o that_o thou_o strive_v for_o for_o neither_o the_o excommunicate_a person_n be_v simple_o too_o be_v compare_v too_o branch_n now_o once_o simple_o cut_v of_o from_o the_o vine_n but_o too_o unfruitful_a branch_n which_o draw_v not_o ivyce_n out_o of_o the_o vine_n and_o therefore_o at_o length_n too_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o god_n unless_o they_o short_o sprowte_n again_o which_o appear_v by_o the_o fruit_n of_o repentance_n even_o like_a as_o it_o fall_v out_o too_o bow_n which_o in_o the_o winter_n time_n be_v as_o they_o be_v dead_a and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o in_o the_o spring_n time_n receive_v their_o former_a hue_n and_o liveliness_n again_o for_o those_o same_o gift_n of_o god_n be_v without_o repentance_n now_o if_o so_o be_v any_o continue_v unto_o the_o last_o in_o their_o stubborness_n it_o be_v a_o token_n that_o they_o be_v indeed_o for_o a_o time_n outward_o in_o the_o church_n but_o they_o be_v never_o of_o the_o church_n for_o they_o have_v abide_v with_o we_o say_v saint_n john_n or_o at_o least_o after_o their_o error_n they_o have_v return_v 14._o 1._o john_n 2._o 14._o unto_o we_o again_o if_o they_o have_v be_v of_o us._n 161._o question_n but_o now_o if_o baptism_n be_v therefore_o not_o to_o be_v often_o minister_v to_o one_o because_o the_o first_o entrance_n intoo_o the_o church_n can_v be_v frustrate_a why_o in_o like_a manner_n suffice_v it_o not_o once_o too_o have_v receive_v the_o supper_n forasmuch_o as_o he_o that_o be_v true_o once_o incorporate_v into_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n can_v never_o altogether_o fall_v out_o of_o it_o answer_n we_o have_v tell_v the_o cause_n already_o for_o it_o be_v enough_o once_o to_o be_v bear_v again_o but_o not_o to_o be_v once_o nourish_v because_o as_o in_o this_o corporal_a life_n we_o must_v oftentimes_o take_v meat_n by_o the_o ivyce_n whereof_o we_o may_v be_v nourish_v so_o be_v incorporate_v into_o christ_n that_o we_o may_v more_o and_o more_o be_v quicken_v in_o he_o the_o often_o seal_v of_o that_o incorporation_n and_o as_o it_o be_v the_o nourish_a of_o faith_n be_v profitable_a notwithstanding_o these_o thing_n in_o this_o similitude_n be_v 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