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A52605 An answer to Dr. Wallis's three letters concerning the Doctrine of the Trinity Nye, Stephen, 1648?-1719.; Wallis, John, 1616-1703. Doctrine of the blessed Trinity briefly explained.; Wallis, John, 1616-1703. Second letter concerning the Holy Trinity.; Wallis, John, 1616-1703. Explication and vindication of the Athanasian creed. 1691 (1691) Wing N1504; ESTC R7845 14,909 22

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