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A27361	A iustification of The city remonstrance and its vindication, or, An answer to a book written by Mr. J.P. entituled, The city remonstrance remonstrated wherein the frequent falsifyings of the said Mr. J.P. are discovered, the many charges by him laid upon the remonstrance and its vindicator, disproved, and the parity and agreement of the remonstrance ... with the propositions, declarations, remonstrances, and votes, of both or either House of Parliament manifested / by John Bellamie.	Bellamie, John, d. 1654.; Price, John, Citizen of London. City remonstrance remonstrated.	1646 (1646)	Wing B1814; ESTC R4476	42,384	58

observation of the Covenant and their expectation of conformity of the people of England thereunto expressed in the late Declaration we doe resolve by the grace of God not to receive impression of any forced construction thereof and is it now become an acting in a direct evident and obvious manne● against the expresse Will and Word of God for the Common-Councell to professe their resolutions to yeeld obedience to the desires and expectations of the House of Commons in their not receiving impressions of any forced constructions of the Covenant I desire your leave here also in a parallel way to set downe the Scripture by you here brought and another branch of the Propositions sent by both House of Parliament to the King and to desire your judgement whether that also be in a direct evident and obvious manne against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD Propositions of both Houses of Parliament Article the 6th Mat. 7. 12 A● you would that men should do unto you so do unto them for this is the Law and the Pro●hets For as much as both Kingdomes are mutually obliged by the same Covenant to endeavour the nearest conjunction and uniformity in matters of Religion That such unity and uniformity in Religion according to the Covenant as after consultation had with the Divines of both kingdoms now assembled is or shall bee jointly agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament of England and by the Church and Ki●gdom of Scotland be confirmed by Acts of Parliament of both Kingdomes respectively   CITY REMONSTRANCE Mat. 7. 1● As you would that men should doe unto you so doe unto them for this is the Law the Pro●hets The 4 Petition That no person disaffected to Pre●byterian government saith the Remonstrance s●t forth or to be set forth by the Parliament but according to your usuall course this to blind the reader you sti●● leav● ou● may be employed in any place of publike trust and the● you add which is not at all in that Petition those words viz. But some effectual course setled to proceed against such persons as in the 3 Petition where there is not the shadow of a word tending to any such purpose I confesse the words you● cite are in the 2d Petition but not at all in the least manner applyed to persons onely disaffected to Presbyterian government for there is no such word in that Petition nor any thing looking that way neither doth the Common-Councell in any part of their Petitions so much as desire that persons onely disaffected to Presbyterian government should by some effectuall course setled be proceeded against and therefore methinks you should have been a little more considerate before you should thus falsly and unjustly have charged the Common-Councell to act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God This I will grant you that in the second Petition the Common-Councell doth desire that all Anabaptists Brownists He●etiques Schismaticks Blasphemers and all such Sect●ries as conforme not to the publike Discipline established or to be established by Parliament may be fully declared against and some effectuall course setled for proceeding against such Persons but is there no difference between Anabaptists Brownists Heretiques ●chismaticks Sectaries and persons but disaffected to Presbyterian government I pray tell mee your minde plainly would you have Heretiques and Blasphemers 〈◊〉 such as deny the Scriptures to bee the Word of God such as professe the Scriptures are writings onely probable to be beleeved as the Story of King Henry the eighth● such as deny the Trinity of Persons in the Unity of Essence such as call the Trinity a three headed Cerberus ●uch as deny the Divinity of Christ such as deny the immortality of the Soule and such as deny that there is a God or say if there bee a God the Devill is a God such as say God is the author of sin such who hold that all men shall bee saved yea and the Devills too such as say that Christs humane Nature is defiled with Originall sin as well as ours such as hold that all R●ligions Worships Consciences whether Paganish Jewish Antichristian c. should bee tolerated would you have these tolerated or would you not have some effectuall course setled for proceeding against such Persons or doe you thinke these to be no more dangerous if permitted to broach these Here●ies and Blasphemies in the Kingdom then to permit persons otherwise every way peaceable godly and orthodox because meerly disaffected to Presbyterian government I desire here also in a parallel way to set downe the Scripture by you here brought and a Vote of the House of Commons of the 30 Iuly 1641. and to desire your judgement whether that also be in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD Vote of the House of Commons die V●neris 30 Iubii 1641. Mat. 7. 12 As you would 〈◊〉 men should doe unto you so doe unto them for this is the Law and the Prophets Resolved upon the Question That this House doth conceive that the Protestation made by them is sit to be taken by every person that is well-affected in Religion and to the good of the Common-wealth And ●herefore doth ●eclar● That what person soever shall not take the Protestation is unfit to bear Office in the Church o● Common-wealth Thus having given you these Articles of the Propositions of both Houses of Parliament sent to the King for a safe and well grounded Peace and the other passages of both or either House of Parliament which I have placed after your example in a parallel way against the Scriptures by you brought and desired your judgement whether these also do act as you would have the world beleeve the Petitio●s in the Remonstrance doth in a di●ect evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God I pray you now also seriously to consider of those Petitions in the Remonstrance and compare them together with thes● Propositions for Peace and the other passages of both or either House of Parliament and then tell mee what the Remonstrants in those three so much by you condemned Petitions for the substance of them did more desire of the Parliament then both Houses of Parliament have now proposed to the King or hath been formerly by them in these passages of both or either House of Parliament declared to the world The● you say Presbyteriall government is not in the Covenant there●●re a● 〈◊〉 and this say you you inforce upon others though you will receive no forc●d con●●ruction of the same your selves Answ. Where did the Remonstrants say that Presbyteriall government was in the Covenant and if they never said it as they never did why doe you here bring it in as if they had said it I hope that at last you will learne to forbeare falsifying It is true that in page 2 of the Remonstrance they speake of Ordinance● for

for truly I cannot dis●ern it But of this I am confident that it is app●oved by the Ch●rch of Scotland witnesse the Letter now in Print for all the Kingdome to see which was sent from the Generall Assembly 〈◊〉 the Church of Scotland to the Lord Major Alderme● and 〈…〉 of London June 18. 1646. manifesting thei● approbation of it and thankfulness for it And sure I may say● it is app●●ved by the generality of the ablest grave● and 〈…〉 witnesse their Petition subscribed by eight Thous●●● 〈◊〉 Hundred thirty and four of their Hands presented the twenty third of Iune 1646. to the Court of Common-Councell giving them Thankes for it testifying their approbation of ●t and des●●ing them to wait upon the House of Co●m●ns fo● their gracio●s answer to it which Petition is by Order of Co●●t since Printed And me think● you should not forget that the same Remonstrance for the substance of it was not onely well accepted but also graciously answered by the House of Lords And therefore ●urely in the judgment of all these the City Remonstrance ●s not ●udged 〈◊〉 But perhaps you ar●e of the ●ind● of 〈…〉 6. 16. who was 〈…〉 reason And I make as little 〈…〉 yet it is and will be 〈◊〉 all the Reformed Churches in Europe not one excep●●● 〈…〉 Q●arrells 〈…〉 is you have to say against the 〈…〉 whether in all probability the Reply and not the Remonstrance hath raised those disturbances for the Subject of the Remonstrance is an earnest desire of the settlement of government by one Uniforme Law for all the Subjects of England to submit equally and alike unto which I am sure must needs tend to peace and quietnesse but the d●ift of the Reply is quite contrary and therefore without all peradventure it 's this and its abettors and not that and its promoters which hath desired and occasioned these Divisions both in Church and State In pag. 9 you go about to shew that the Common-Councell by their Remonstrance did act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God and for proofe of this in page 11 you give us some Scriptures and some passages in the Remon●●rance which you say or at least would have the world beleeve is in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God but you never tell the reader how or wherein they are so but thus you deliver them LET US TRY THEN WORD OF GOD CITY REMONSTRANCE Rom. 14. 5. Let ●very man bee fully perswaded in his owne minde That as we are Subjects of one Kingdom so all may bee equally required and here to delude the Reader you insert without making the least change of the character these following words as if they also were in the Remonstrance viz. Be they perswaded in their own minds or not perswaded to yeeld obedience to the government set forth or to be set forth by the Parliament Now I shall wholly all along in these your Parallels leave it to the judgment of the Reader to consider whether there be such an antipathy between these Scriptures and those Petitions of the Remonstrance as in the Remonstrance without your insertion they are exprest and crave your leave in the same way of parallel to set the same Scriptures with some branches of the Proposition● sent by both Houses of Parliament to the King and other pass●ges of Parliament and then desire your judgement whether they also 〈◊〉 a direct e●ident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD Propositions of both Houses of Parliament Article the 5th Rom. 14. 5. Let every man bee fully perswaded in his owne minde That r●formation of Religion according to the Coven●nt bee setled by Act of Parliament in su●h manner as both Houses have agreed or shall agree upon after consultation had with the assembly of Divines   ●CITI REMONSTRANCE Rom. 14. 13. That no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his b● others way That all such Sectaries as conform not to the publike Discipline established or to bee established by Parliament saith the Remonstrance but this you leave out may be fully declared against and some effectual course setled for proceeding against such persons Here say you is a stumbling block● viz. a menace in a brothers way Answ. But why doe you leave out the beginning of that prayer in the Petit●on which you cite●●t tels you the meaning of the Remonstrants by the words all such Sectaries ●iz Those immediately before mentioned as Anab●ptists Brownists Heretiques Schismaticks Blasphemers doe you not by omitting the mentioning of these indeavour to del●de the Reader I pray put down that Petition wholly together and let the Reader be fairly dea●t with all and have it as in the Remonstrance it is exprest an● then see how it is opposite to the Scripture by you set against it 〈…〉 〈…〉 I desire here also in a parallel way to set downe the Scriptu●● by you brought and a passage or two of the Parliaments and 〈◊〉 desire your judgement whether they also be in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God WORD OF GOD ●Parliaments Declaration upon his Majesties Declaration after the Ba●taile at Edgebill Pag. 659. Rom● 14. 13. That 〈…〉 put a 〈…〉 blo●k or an occasion to fall in his brothers way Had not his Majesty seduced thereunto by that Popish and Prelaticall faction denyed his conse●t to the Bil for the Assembly so often by both Houses presented to him wee had long since manifested to the world by a well setled reformation our 〈◊〉 dislike of ●* Brownisme and Anab●ptisme Remonstrance of the State of the kingdom page 19. We do declare that it is far from our purpose or d●sire to let loose the golden reynes of discipline and government in the Church to leave private persons or particular Congregations to take up what for me of Divine Service they please for wee hold it requisite that there should be throughout the whole realme a conf●rmity to that Order which the Laws enjoyne according to the Word of God M●t. 7 12. As you would that men should doe unto you so doe unt● them for this is the Law and the Propheis Page 3. Wee will not receive impression of any forced construction of the Covenant compare this with Page 7. Will you never leave fals●fying where doe you finde any such expression in the Remonstrance either in Page 3 or 7. as this is viz. we will not receive impression of any forced construction of the Covenant The House of Commons in their late Declaration of the 17 of Aprill 1646. doe say Wee expect that the people of England should not receive impressions of any forced construction of that Covenant and in obedience thereunto the Remonstrants doe say in page 2 and 3 of the Remonstrance that in pursuance of that Noble resolution of this Honourable House for the due

Presbyteriall government and I thinke you will not deny but there are such if you doe I will produce them but though Presbyteriall government be not nominally and in v●●bis in the Covenant yet I hope without offence it may be said that it is concord●ble to the Covenant as being nearest to that government which the best reformed Churches doe practise and that by our Covenant we are bound to endeavour the settlement of And that progresse which both Houses of Parliament have already made in and towards the settlement of Presbyteriall government they have done it in pursuance of the said Covenant as by their owne words in the Ordinance of the 14 of March 1645. it doth appear Viz. The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament being very sensible of the gr●●t duty which lyeth upon them to settle matters 〈◊〉 ●eligion and the worship of Almighty God and having continually before their eyes the Covenant which they have so solem●ly taken for the performance thereof and the manifold motives and incouragements thereunto which are given them from God himselfe by a speciall hand of Providence p●wring forth daily mercies upon them In discharge of their duty and in purs●ance of the said Covenant and in thankefulnesse to God for all his Mercies have diligently applyed themselves to that work of his Ho●se by his grace and assistance they have made some progresse therein notwithstanding the exigency of other affaires accompanied oftenti●es with great and imminen● dangers And notwithstanding the great difficulty of the worke it selfe in divers respects and particularly in the right jointing of what was to be setled with the Laws and Govern●●nt of the Kingdome the want whereof hath ●aused much trouble i● this and other States yet by the mercifull assistance of God having re●oved the booke of Common-prayer with all its unnecessary and burdensome Ceremonies and established the Directory in the ●●ome thereof and ●aving abolish●d the Prelaticall Hierarchy by Archbishops Bishops and their dependants and in stead thereof laid the foundation of a Presbyteriall Government in every Congregation with sub●rdin●tion to Cla●●icall Provinci●ll and Nationall Assemblies and of t●e● all to t●e Parliament Why doe you also wrong the Remonstrants in saying They force Presbyteriall government upon others doe they any other thing then Petition the Parliament to settle that government which in the words of this Ordinance both the Lords and Commons do say that in discharge of their duty and in p●rs●ance of the said Covenant they have laid the foundation already viz. of a Presbyteriall government You have yet one parallel more WORD OF GOD ●●ITY REMONSTRANCE D●ut. 19. 15. At the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every thing be established That Quarterman may be brought to some exemplary punishment for the affront done by him c. And then you say Though no such thing was ever proved by one witnesse or testimony that what hee did was any aff●on● done to the Priviledges and Government of the City Hang him hang him what hath ●e done Answ. You deny not the act of Quarterman presume it is not that which you say was never proved by one witnesse or testimony for the act was done at high Exchange time within the sight and hearing of many hund●eds but I conceive your meaning for you doe not expresse it and therefore I can but guesse at it is that the act in entring the City and making proclamation therein with sound of Trumpet without acquainting the Lord Major therewith was not proved by one witnesse or ●estimony to be any affront done to the Priviledges or Government of the City there never was any the least exception taken against the Order to proclaime nor against the matter proclaimed nor the time when nor the place where the Proclamation was made if according to the constant and uninterrupted course of transacting things of that nature the Lord Major who is the chiefe Magistrate of the City had but been acquainted with it Now I appeale to the Reader whether such an act done in such a manner in the sight and hearing of many hundreds without acquainting the Lord Major therewith be not an affront done to the priviledges and government of the City In page 14. you tell the Reader that I except against the replyer for saying The Parliament hath promised in severall Declarations a gratious respect to tender Consciences Answ. In page 9 of my Vindication I cited out of the Replyer page 2 these following words viz. That it is notoriously known that the Parliament did promise in severall declarations a gracious respect to tender Consciences I did not except against him for so saying but I told him then and I tell you now that I will not say that this is false left I should fall into that sin which I am forced so frequently to reprove you for but 〈…〉 bee any such promises in former Declarations which I yet remember not as I then said to him so I now say to you you should have done well to have expressed the date of those Declarations and the words of the promises that so the Reader might see that at least in something you I say you as well as the Replyer desire to deale fairly with them for the Remonstrants they still laid a fair Copy before you in the Remonstrance so to have writ after them And now without shewing any one Declaration more then the Replyer did you goe on and say It seems you are willing to hide your eyes from such observations in the Parliaments Declarations as though this were an abòminatio●● to you that they should ●a●e any respect to ten●er consciences Answ. I never knew before that a desire to know the dates of the Parliaments severall Declarations and to see the words of the promises which they therein make of a gracious respect to tender consciences which the Replyer saith is so notoriously knowne and which I must confesse as then so now I remember not had been a manifestation of a mans willingnesse to hide his eyes from such observations in the Parliaments Declarations And it is so farre from being an abomination to me that the Parliament should have any respect to tender Consciences that I shall much rejoice both in the beholding of any true tendernesse of conscience in any man and at all due respect which the Parliament shall shew unto them Yet can I not conceive that Heretiques that deny there is a God or that the Scriptures are the Word of God and that they are no more to bee beleeved then the Stories of Henry the 8th ' c. or Blasphemers which call the Trinity of Persons in the Unity of Essence a three headed Cerberus c. that these and such as these can properly be brought in under the notion of tender consciences But th●n you aske me if I have forgotten the l●st Declaration of the 17 of Aprill 1646 Answ. You know tha● neither the Remonstrants no● yet my self have forgotten that Declaration