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A00793 The answere vnto the nine points of controuersy, proposed by our late soueraygne (of famous memory) vnto M. Fisher of the Society of Iesus And the reioynder vnto the reply of D. Francis VVhite minister. With the picture of the sayd minister, or censure of his writings prefixed. Fisher, John, 1569-1641.; Floyd, John, 1572-1649. 1626 (1626) STC 10911; ESTC S102112 538,202 656

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apprehension_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o by_o operative_a faith_n pag._n 178.179_o &_o seq_n &_o pag._n 390._o &_o 395._o i_o answer_v that_o as_o the_o answerer_n say_v this_o presence_n by_o faith_n be_v not_o real_a nor_o true_a but_o only_o pious_a imagination_n at_o the_o most_o as_o be_v prove_v in_o the_o sixth_o point_v real_a presence_n which_o they_o deny_v or_o else_o the_o main_n article_n of_o the_o creed_n that_o christ_n be_v still_o in_o heaven_n at_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o his_o father_n for_o they_o will_v not_o allow_v a_o body_n in_o two_o place_n at_o once_o eight_o their_o deny_v the_o sacrament_n of_o fundamental_o of_o the_o minister_n pag._n 189._o say_v that_o protestant_n allow_v auricular_a confession_n and_o priestly_a absolution_n but_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n or_o of_o necessity_n in_o proof_n whereof_o he_o cit_v the_o augustane_n confession_n answer_n if_o the_o minister_n approve_v the_o augustan_n confession_n he_o must_v approve_v 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the_o solution_n which_o who_o will_n may_v there_o read_v in_o his_o first_o book_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n what_o he_o bring_v out_o of_o some_o catholic_a author_n affirm_v that_o it_o be_v hard_o to_o prove_v clear_o this_o sacrament_n the_o answer_n be_v that_o to_o prove_v the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n and_o the_o necessity_n thereof_o for_o sin_n after_o baptism_n by_o the_o perpetual_a tradition_n and_o practice_v of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o hard_o but_o easy_a which_o you_o may_v see_v full_o perform_v by_o bellarmine_n but_o to_o prove_v the_o same_o by_o some_o text_n of_o scripture_n so_o clear_o as_o some_o cavil_n may_v not_o be_v take_v at_o the_o argument_n this_o be_v difficile_a and_o no_o wonder_n see_v our_o minister_n pag._n 541._o lin_v 9_o do_v grant_v that_o even_o the_o principal_a article_n of_o religion_n can_v be_v so_o prove_v by_o scripture_n but_o seem_a solution_n may_v be_v give_v baptism_n nine_o their_o deny_v the_o catholic_a 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syllable_n of_o proof_n &_o
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unto_o it_o person_n the_o second_o argument_n this_o axione_n of_o philosophy_n that_o no_o man_n think_v it_o disavow_v in_o theology_n the_o ancient_a father_n uniform_o teach_v as_o a_o prime_a truth_n evident_a in_o reason_n s._n damascene_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 12._o s._n augustine_n the_o doct_n christ._n c._n 9_o s._n ambrose_n de_fw-fr dom._n incarn_n sacrament_n c._n 7._o s._n basill_n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la sancto_fw-la c._n 18._o s._n athanasius_n serm._n contra_fw-la arianos_fw-la play_n arianos_fw-la the_o minister_n pag._n 229._o lin_v 24._o answer_v to_o these_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n in_o this_o sort_n damascene_fw-la be_v not_o ancient_a nor_o orthodoxal_a in_o all_o point_n for_o as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n say_v the_o scriptor_n eccles._n pag._n 269._o he_o deny_v the_o procession_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n from_o the_o son_n s._n augustine_n speak_v of_o sign_n
christ_n jesus_n that_o be_v unto_o the_o thing_n which_o represent_v he_o unto_o imagination_n as_o if_o he_o be_v visible_o present_a be_v to_o be_v take_v as_o do_v to_o his_o very_a person_n wherefore_o see_v the_o poor_a by_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n word_n stand_v for_o our_o saviour_n and_o be_v his_o image_n so_o that_o when_o we_o see_v they_o poor_a and_o needy_a we_o must_v imagine_v we_o see_v he_o poor_a and_o needy_a hence_o it_o be_v consequent_a that_o what_o be_v do_v unto_o they_o not_o only_o by_o way_n of_o relief_n but_o also_o by_o way_n of_o reverence_n be_v do_v unto_o our_o saviour_n and_o so_o they_o may_v be_v worship_v for_o his_o sake_n as_o for_o the_o title_n of_o puppet_n and_o prank_a baby_n if_o the_o minister_n think_v it_o a_o fine_a phrase_n he_o may_v keep_v it_o to_o adorn_v therewith_o his_o own_o brat_n he_o who_o say_v what_o you_o do_v to_o one_o of_o my_o least_o one_o you_o do_v it_o unto_o i_o matth._n 25._o v._n 40._o out_o of_o this_o the_o common_a objection_n of_o protestant_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o worship_n of_o christ_n image_n be_v not_o where_o find_v in_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o will-worship_n may_v be_v answer_v for_o as_o themselves_o confess_v see_v d._n field_n l._n 4._o c._n 14._o many_o action_n belong_v to_o religion_n whereof_o there_o be_v no_o express_a precept_n nor_o any_o practice_n in_o scripture_n which_o prove_v the_o lawfulness_n and_o necessity_n thereof_o there_o be_v no_o express_a precept_n in_o scripture_n to_o christian_a infant_n nor_o be_v it_o there_o read_v that_o ever_o any_o be_v christen_v yet_o because_o there_o be_v testimony_n which_o join_v with_o reason_n prove_v the_o lawfulness_n &_o necessity_n of_o this_o baptism_n we_o may_v &_o must_v use_v it_o in_o scripture_n there_o be_v no_o express_a practice_n nor_o precept_n of_o worship_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n yet_o there_o be_v principle_n which_o the_o light_n of_o nature_n suppose_v convince_v such_o adoration_n to_o be_v lawful_a &_o necessary_a the_o sixth_o argument_n christ_n be_v true_a god_n full_a of_o honour_n to_o who_o all_o supreme_a adoration_n be_v due_a do_v and_o must_v needs_o make_v honourable_a and_o adorable_a any_o thing_n that_o represent_v he_o that_o be_v which_o must_v be_v take_v by_o imagination_n as_o if_o it_o be_v his_o person_n but_o suppose_v god_n to_o be_v true_o man_n as_o faith_n teach_v the_o light_n of_o nature_n show_v that_o his_o image_n true_o represent_v he_o that_o be_v make_v he_o present_a to_o the_o imagination_n of_o the_o beholder_n thereof_o and_o stand_v for_o he_o ergo_fw-la christ_n jesus_n his_o image_n be_v for_o his_o sake_n venerable_a &_o adorable_a as_o a_o thing_n stand_v for_o he_o in_o such_o sort_n that_o the_o honour_n do_v outward_o to_o it_o be_v do_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v take_v as_o do_v by_o devout_a &_o pious_a imagination_n to_o his_o person_n whence_o further_o be_v conclude_v the_o necessity_n of_o this_o worship_n for_o god_n incarnate_a be_v most_o venerable_a and_o full_a of_o glory_n require_v of_o a_o christian_n that_o that_o which_o stand_v for_o he_o &_o represent_v he_o be_v honour_v &_o person_n &_o this_o argument_n be_v ground_v upon_o this_o principle_n of_o scripture_n that_o all_o kind_n of_o honour_n &_o worship_n be_v due_a to_o the_o man_n christ_n jesus_n which_o can_v be_v due_a unto_o any_o other_o man_n who_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o respect_n but_o unto_o other_o person_n who_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o respect_n we_o owe_v reverence_n in_o their_o image_n more_o or_o less_o according_a to_o their_o dignity_n and_o this_o duty_n be_v double_a the_o one_o negative_a never_o to_o disgrace_v their_o image_n the_o other_o affirmative_a which_o be_v actual_o to_o exhibit_v honour_n unto_o their_o image_n when_o otherwise_o the_o denial_n thereof_o will_v be_v take_v as_o irreverence_v &_o contempt_n towards_o they_o therefore_o to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n we_o owe_v this_o double_a duty_n of_o honour_n negative_a never_o to_o disgrace_v it_o positive_a to_o reverence_v the_o same_o outward_o when_o otherwise_o the_o neglect_n of_o reverence_n to_o his_o image_n be_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v take_v as_o want_v of_o due_a reverence_n to_o his_o person_n adore_v for_o his_o sake_n the_o seven_o argument_n if_o the_o honour_n due_a to_o a_o king_n be_v so_o great_a that_o the_o same_o redounde_n from_o his_o person_n to_o thing_n about_o he_o as_o to_o his_o chair_n of_o state_n which_o be_v honour_v with_o the_o like_o bow_v and_o kneel_v that_o be_v use_v to_o his_o person_n &_o to_o his_o image_n unto_o which_o whosoever_o offer_v injury_n be_v punishable_a as_o offer_v injury_n to_o the_o king_n himself_o shall_v not_o the_o honour_n due_a to_o christ_n jesus_n infinite_o great_a so_o flow_v out_o of_o his_o person_n unto_o thing_n that_o belong_v and_o concern_v he_o as_o to_o make_v his_o person_n his_o the_o minister_n pag._n 228._o say_v this_o similitude_n halt_v because_o the_o king_n chair_n of_o state_n &_o his_o image_n when_o it_o be_v honour_v or_o dishonour_v be_v conjoin_v with_o his_o person_n by_o civil_a ordinance_n and_o relation_n i_o answer_v this_o be_v a_o manifest_a falsehood_n for_o what_o law_n be_v in_o england_n that_o every_o image_n of_o the_o king_n be_v to_o be_v take_v as_o his_o person_n in_o respect_n of_o honour_n there_o be_v no_o such_o law_n write_v with_o pen_n and_o ink_n but_o only_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n write_v by_o the_o finger_fw-la of_o the_o creator_n in_o man_n heart_n and_o observe_v universal_o in_o all_o nation_n by_o custom_n that_o the_o proper_a image_n of_o a_o person_n be_v in_o respect_n of_o honour_n &_o dishonour_n to_o be_v take_v as_o the_o person_n image_n cross_n and_o such_o holy_a monument_n of_o his_o passion_n and_o life_n venerable_a for_o his_o sake_n and_o to_o be_v adore_v with_o bow_v kneeling_z and_o other_o exterior_a honour_n as_o will_v be_v 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minister_n here_o be_v hot_a and_o demand_n pag._n 230._o lin_v 8._o have_v a_o dead_a picture_n or_o worm-eaten_a statue_n great_a dignity_n than_o the_o lively_a image_n of_o christ_n to_o wit_n the_o saint_n that_o be_v on_o earth_n and_o excel_v in_o virtue_n i_o answer_v that_o no_o yet_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n have_v a_o dignity_n which_o no_o other_o dumb_a dead_a and_o senseless_a creature_n of_o which_o the_o answerer_n here_o speak_v can_v have_v to_o wit_n to_o represent_v our_o saviour_n according_a to_o his_o true_a or_o proper_a human_a shape_n whence_o it_o have_v a_o right_a in_o nature_n to_o stand_v by_o imagination_n for_o our_o saviour_n and_o to_o bind_v we_o that_o our_o action_n towards_o it_o be_v not_o respectless_a dignity_n which_o a_o image_n of_o christ_n have_v above_o other_o creature_n who_o though_o they_o be_v refer_v unto_o god_n as_o unto_o their_o author_n yet_o god_n may_v not_o be_v honour_v in_o they_o in_o that_o manner_n as_o christ_n be_v 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final_o the_o minister_n who_o here_o say_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v not_o signify_v be_v depaint_v elsewhere_o pag._n 213._o lin_v 26._o say_v the_o contrary_a to_o wit_n that_o s._n paul_n do_v testify_v galat_n 3.1_o that_o by_o the_o gospel_n christ_n jesus_n be_v depaint_v before_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o soul_n now_o how_o can_v this_o be_v true_a except_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d proper_o signify_v be_v depaint_v and_o be_v thence_o transfer_v by_o metaphor_n unto_o preach_v senseless_a and_o of_o this_o material_a picture_v of_o christ_n crucify_v athanasius_n expound_v this_o place_n who_o turrianus_n cit_v de_n dogmat._n carat_n l._n 4._o wherefore_o i_o may_v just_o say_v that_o we_o have_v more_o clear_a &_o express_v scripture_n for_o the_o use_n of_o image_n then_o have_v protestant_n for_o their_o translation_n and_o therefore_o the_o danger_n of_o ignorant_a people_n err_v by_o image_n be_v without_o reason_n so_o much_o insist_v upon_o by_o 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