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A65532 The antapology of the melancholy stander-by in answer to the dean of St. Paul's late book, falsly stiled, An apology for writing against the Socinians, &c. Wettenhall, Edward, 1636-1713. 1693 (1693) Wing W1487; ESTC R8064 73,692 117

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confirmat_fw-la ad_fw-la polonos_n tom._n ult_n p._n 687._o common_a with_o the_o people_n o_o holy_a trinity_n one_o god_n have_v mercy_n upon_o we_o do_v not_o please_v i_o and_o altogether_o savour_v of_o barbarity_n have_v the_o socinian_o be_v the_o only_a person_n who_o except_o against_o it_o more_o may_v be_v say_v for_o the_o retain_v it_o but_o as_o to_o its_o original_a it_o be_v certain_o never_o in_o the_o public_a prayer_n till_o introduce_v by_o pope_n gregory_n the_o great_a the_o compiler_n of_o the_o litany_n for_o the_o main_a part_n or_o the_o body_n of_o it_o though_o not_o perfect_o in_o the_o form_n it_o now_o stand_v in_o and_o casaub_n ethnici_fw-la in_o summâ_fw-la rerum_fw-la ignorantiâ_fw-la quem_fw-la potissimum_fw-la deûm_fw-la aut_fw-la dearun_n orarent_fw-la nesciebant_fw-la omnes_fw-la igitur_fw-la precabantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n casaub_n what_o other_o innovation_n come_v in_o with_o it_o be_v sufficient_o know_v no_o less_o a_o man_n than_o casaubon_n will_v tell_v we_o who_o the_o church_n imitate_v or_o what_o precedent_n she_o have_v in_o such_o accumulate_v repeat_v invocation_n exercitat_fw-la p._n 327._o edit_fw-la londin_n a._n d._n 1614_o or_o ad_fw-la an._n d._n xxxii_o n._n 14._o and_o not_o only_o in_o a_o manner_n all_o our_o nonconformist_a countryman_n elder_a or_o late_a but_o foreigner_n of_o great_a learning_n have_v strong_a exception_n against_o this_o part_n of_o the_o litany_n if_o any_o will_v answer_v those_o which_o among_o other_o the_o learned_a johannes_n forbesius_n in_o his_o instructiones_fw-la historico-theologicae_a part._n 1._o qu._n 31._o a._n 1._o bring_v i_o will_v acknowledge_v to_o owe_v great_a satisfaction_n to_o such_o a_o person_n for_o however_o forbes_n hâc_fw-la formulâ_fw-la periculosè_fw-la disperguntur_fw-la cogitationes_fw-la &_o conceptiones_fw-la precantis_fw-la veluti_fw-la ad_fw-la diversa_fw-la objecta_fw-la quas_fw-la recolligere_fw-la conatur_fw-la collectione_n objectorum_fw-la in_o unum_fw-la nullo_n nititur_fw-la praecepto_fw-la vel_fw-la exemplo_fw-la sacrae_fw-la scripturae_fw-la vel_fw-la catholicae_fw-la antiquitatis_fw-la imo_fw-la ab_fw-la eisdem_fw-la &_o à_fw-la doctrinâ_fw-la saniorum_fw-la scholasticorum_fw-la &_o ab_fw-la ipsâ_fw-la ratione_fw-la theologicâ_fw-la discrepat_fw-la etc._n etc._n forbes_n i_o acknowledge_v some_o man_n may_v use_v the_o prescribe_a form_n without_o sin_n yet_o i_o can_v but_o judge_v it_o much_o safe_o not_o to_o go_v so_o near_o divide_v the_o deity_n and_o so_o far_o to_o distract_v devotion_n much_o more_o than_o this_o can_v i_o say_v which_o i_o can_v answer_v so_o well_o as_o i_o will_v on_o this_o subject_a but_o this_o may_v suffice_v to_o show_v the_o glance_n i_o give_v be_v not_o without_o cause_n and_o the_o reduce_v divers_a of_o our_o prayer_n to_o more_o scriptural_a form_n will_v much_o recommend_v our_o reformation_n to_o foreign_a divine_n as_o well_o as_o to_o those_o of_o our_o 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