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A23631 The moderate Trinitarian containing a description of the Holy Trinity, both according to Scripture, and approved authors for learning, and adherence to the Trinitarian doctrine : being an argument shewing that moderation may and ought to be shewn by and to persons of different conceptions concerning some circumstances relating to the knowledg of the Holy Trinity : together with a short reply to Mr. Joseph Taylor's Brief inquiry whether those who own, and those who deny the divinity of Christ, may communicate together / by Daniel Allen. Allen, Daniel, fl. 1699. 1699 (1699) Wing A1023; ESTC R17226 58,738 45

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