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A81304 The Quaker no Papist, in answer to The Quaker disarm'd. Or, A brief reply and censure of Mr. Thomas Smith's frivolous relation of a dispute held betwixt himself and certain Quakers at Cambridge. By Hen. Denne. Denne, Henry, 1606 or 7-1660? 1659 (1659) Wing D1024; Thomason E1000_13; ESTC R207840 18,534 22

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