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A28912	Innocency cleared from lyes in answer or reply to some particular things, which them, who are scornfully called Quakers, are charged with in a book intituled, Malice stript and whipt, &c. : published by one who calls himself Samuel Smith, minster of the gospel, but his practise and bitter spirit maketh him manifest to be forth of the Doctrine of Christ, and that he is not guided by the same spirit which the ministers of Christ were, are guided by as hereafter may be made appear / by ... I.B.	J. B. (John Bowater), d. 1704.	1658 (1658)	Wing B3870; ESTC R18765	14,367	26

was Magistrate therein calling him Iudge and the Court a Court of Iustice and honouring them in the Lord which is as much as the Scripture commands saying Children obey your Parents in the Lord but thou saith neither putting off the Hat nor bowing before him which the fifth Commandement commands to which I say it is well if thou have not belyed the Commandement for I never could finde any such command in the fifth Commandement as the putting off the Hat or bowing but this I am sure is in the second Commandement thou shalt not bow down thy self and I doe beleeve there is no confusion in the Commandements but rather it is in thee as in this thing it doth plainly appear and then thou states a question or an objection which is in these words But where doe you finde a command for putting off the Hat unto which I say it had been wisdom for thee before thou hadst stated this question to have considered whether thou couldest have given a sufficient answer to this queston yea of nay but it may be thou didst not so but did even like a foolish man that begins to build and considers not whether he is able to finish or not but to say something to it being thou hast layd it down thou saith what though we read not of a Hat c. and herein thou hath not proved there is any command for putting off the Hat but hath shewed thy ignorance of the Scripture in saying what though we read not of a Hat but thou may read of Hats in Dan. 3.21 then these men were bound in their Coats their Hosen and their Hats it might be that their Hats were not taken off their heads when they were before Nebuchadnezar the King and the most mighty men in his Army seeing they were bound in them and if they were not taken off doe not they then that require them to be put off and fine men for keeping them on in that thing exceed Nebuchadnezar Narration But is not he who is our accuser out of the said doctrine of Iesus Christ is not he called Master doth not he stand praying in the Synagogues hath he not the chief seat in the assembly doth not he take hire c. Smith Here is a bundle of accusations bound up together c. Reply Why dost thou lye doe they here accuse thee but rather by way of question they aske thee or any that will answer for thee Ezek. 22 25 26.28 whether these things be not so but it seems if they had accused thee it had not been falsly for thou saith I am called a Master and to defend thy self in thy so doing thou shifts with Backsters words and thou calls him Master but it were more for thy credit and his too to have gone to Christs words seeing you pretend to be his Ministers but this it seems you dare not doe knowing full well that his words is against your practise Mat. 23.10 who saith neither be ye called Masters for one is your Master even Christ and so ye make the Scripture of none effect to keep your own traditions as standing praying and such like to which Christ saith when thou prayest thou shall not he as the hypocrites are for they love to stand praying in the Synaegogues Mat. 6.5 and if you doe not love it why doe you plead for it and for having the chiefest seat in the assembly for which thing the strongest argument that I see thee bring is this for some body must have these places and some of those upper rooms and seats which argument shews thy weakness and ignorance for if it were so that somebody must have them doth it therefore follow that the Ministers of Christ must have them seeing Christ said unto them in his doctrine beware of the Scribes which love to goe in long cloathing and love salutations in the market places and the chief seats in the Synagogues and the uppermost rooms at feasts Mark 12.38 39. and why is there so much pleading for these things if they doe not love them is it not a great sign that a man loves the thing he pleads for unless he be a great dissembler Narration Doth he not take hire Smith This is the great quarell of all that they have against us and further saith to pull down the Ministry of the word and this must needs take with the vulgar sort of people that know little of God and the ways of godliness c. Reply Why what will the Ministry of the word fall Isaiah 56 10 11. if hire be taken away is that the foundation upon which it stands the Prophets of the Lord cryed against such as sought for their gaine from their quarter and teach for hire read the third Chapter of Micha and see what the Lord saith concerning the Priests that teach for hire and Prophets that made his people erre they bite with their teeth and cry peace and he that putteth not into their mouths they even prepare war against him and yet I doe beleeve the Prophets of the Lord did not pull down the Ministry of the word but it seems by this argument that if hire were taken away the Ministry will down which if it be so Isaiah 55.2 it makes it plainly appear you teach for hire though you would make the people beleive otherwise but if they keep their tythe or mony from you it is possible you may prepare war against them and then they may know your nature to be as Christ saith inwardly ravening wolves and wheras thou saith this must needs take with the vulgar sort of people who know little of God and the ways of godliness this may stand to the shame of thee and thy Brethren do the people know little of the ways of God and godliness what have you taken hire for nothing all this while it is good for the people to consider of these things least they spend their mony for that which is not Bread and their labour for that which satisfies not and thou speaking of them thou calls Quakers saith the same and substance of their prating as thou calls it was we preach unto you the word of the Lord freely and this I beleeve was thy greatest torment that any should preach the word of the Lord freely as they had received it or else why speaks thou against it and caused him to be pulled down that preached and for the Scriptures thou alledges them I doe own and the maintenance they doe allow Ministers as that thou alledges in Mat. 10.10 which saith the workman is worthy of his meat and I desire people to read that Chapter for their further satisfaction Narration He hath accused us that we disturbed him and hath not proved it Smith This was answered to your shame before Reply Nay not to their shame but to thine for thou hast proved in thy own book that it was by the Ministers directions their speaker was pulled down and so proved thy self

thereof contray to his first directions to the Constables to keep the peace he now gives directions to pull him down which stood peaceably it is like for any thing he knew preaching the word these directions was contrary to reason and the good Laws of this Nation and I hope the officers will learn more wisdome than to obey the directions of him or any other whose directions is contrary to the Law to disturbe peaceable men Smith Is it not a shame for him to declare this The Minister in the afternoon durst not go to the Church by which means the Congregation and other neighbour-Congregations that depend much upon his Ministry were disappointed of the word that day Answer A lamentation may be taken up for them that depend upon thee and thy Ministry or to receive the word from thy mouth who was afraid to maintaine what thou preaches to them why durst thou not goe to the Church as thou calls it would thou make the people beleeve thou was afraid of thy life 2 Tim. 1.7 8. Gen. 4.4 5 6 7 8. Psa 53.5 Pro. 27.1 was it not Cain that was afraid whose sacrifice God accepted not but it was Abel that was slain whose sacrifice God accepted it s well known though the Souldiers had their weapons about them who were then in service for the Common-wealth and present Government that the patience of their spirits was tryed that day when that by some of the people the Hilt of one of their Swords was broken the blade being in the Scabbard and yet the rest did no violence but this which thou hast done and said is to the shame of thy self and thy brethren is it not the marke of an hireling to fly and did not thou so when thou ceased at the midst of thy Sermon as it seems because a woman came into thy Congregation and yet said nothing as far as I understand by thy relation so that to thy shame thou hast related this that men may see thou was the cause of the disturbance who gave the officers directions to pull him down that stood peaceably who might have come away in peace for ought I know if thou hadst not been thou also sufferedst thy servants if thou didst not set them on to beat a Kettle and a Frying Pan purposely to disturb so that to thy shame thou may see what thou hast done and repent and some that have depended upon thee and thy Ministry I hope begins to see thee and will buy thy word no longer Smith And when thou comes to the title of the book thou examines thou saith this title Priest is here used in scorne and derision to the Ministers of the Gospel c. Answer Nay it is not given in derision to the Ministers of the Gospel for we doe not take thee for one though thou call thy self so and herein thou hast accused them but not proved it Ier. 5.30 31. but I shall prove Priests teach for hire Micah 3.11 and doth not thou so or thou takes tythes if thou doe it was they who receive the office of Priesthood have a commandement to take tythes of the people according to the Law and if thou be not a Priest Heb. 7.5 11.12 thou doth the people wrong to take tythes or hire from them for we doe not read in the Sccipture of truth that the Ministers of the Gospell were to receive tythes of the people but as they had received freely so they were to give and having food and rayment therewith to be content 1. Tim. 6.8 Smith Take notice of the confession of his Faith Saith I have so much faith to believe the time will come that the very name of a Quaker will be as odious in the Christian world as any heretique ever was since the days of Christ c. Answer Such as is within is now poured forth hast thou so much faith as to believe this But though thou strives to make the name of Quakers odious and doth exceed many that hath gone before thee yet thy labour is in vaine and thy faith also Phil. 2.12 13. for it will never be Odious amongst Christians but a wise man may easily see what thy faith tendeth to It was the practise of the Popish Bishops in the reign of Q. Mary to call the Martyrs heretiques so burn them I shall assure thee this faith of thine will get thee no cōmendation amongst honest men them that fear the Lord seeing thou believes that will be odious which the Lord approves Isaiah 66 2. saying to this man will I look even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit and trembleth at my word if this will be odious what then will be commendable Consider well of it and let us have a sober answer Smith Saith but you must let fly at that reverent judge he shall answer for himself and it is like he hath seen or will see this scandalous paper of yours cast out against him and against authority it self c. Answer Psal 58.1 Ps 2.10 11. Acts 10.42 What! Did they let fly against that reverend Iudge Did they let fly any thing but the truth And why might they not speak the truth though to a Iudge We know he shall answer for himself before the Iudge of quick and dead but if authority would believe thee thou wouldst surely incense them against these men but it is wisdom for authority to know the truth of both sides thou accuses or layes to their charge great things but as farre as I see proves nothing but it is no marvell since thou wouldst have their names to be so odious thou helps all thou can and to little purpose for thy work will turne to thy own shame and confusion if thou doe not repent And then thou writes or giveth a short relation of theirs which testifies of thy persecution of them who published it which because thou accuses them to be liers I shall briefly reply unto some particulars In thy examining of the narration where they are most concerned Narration Met in the name and fear of the Lord on the way near the steeple-house yard near Chrisag Smith Saith it seems these men are so full of the spirit that they have now learned to teach the holy spirit of God to speak and he alledges some Scriptures to justifie the very name of Church to our Temples as he calls them and further he saith take heed henceforth that no such language come out of your mouths as this steeple-house is least you be found amongst the number of Stephens persecutors Reply It seems thy tongue or pen is so accustomed to slandering that thou cannot cease Ps 52.2 3. saying they have now learned to teach the holy spirit of God to speak hear thou hast accused them and that concerning the things of God saying they have now learned to teach the holy spirit c. mayst thou not be ashamed to give such things under thy hand surely

if thou spoke what thou thought 2 Pet. 3 3. I would have thee to prove it if thou can otherwise if thou spoke what thou thought not art thou not found in the generation of scoffers and for the Scriptures thou alledges them I doe own but they doe not prove the Steeple-house a Church 1 Pet. 2.5 neither the house of God which likely is the end thou brings them for but the Scripture proves the Church is in God 1 Thes 1.1 And the Apostle Peter saith ye also as living stones Eph. 2.20 21. mark that are built up a spirituall house and are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Iesus Christ himself being the chief Corner stone in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth up an holy Temple in the Lord know you not that your bodies are the Temple of the Holy Ghost which if thou had known why didst thou stumble at their calling of the place builded of wood or stone a Steeple-house is not that the most fit name for if it have a Steeple where the Bell or Bells hang if it have we may call it so and yet not be found in the number of Stevens persecutors Mat. 10 16 17 18 but rather thou wilt be found in that number if thou seek to cast the innocent into prison and plead for the Temple which Steven witnessed against saying the most high dwelleth not in Temples made with hands which they that then upheld the Temple put Steven to death Acts 7. Narration The Priest stirred up the Iustices to grant a warrant to fetch in the innocent before the Iustice c. Smith Saith must you have liberty to rayl revile scandalize and disturbe the Ministers of Christ in doing their office away Animals away if the Gaol of Shrewsbury be not a means to recover your madness Bedlam is fittest for such men Reply Nay no such liberty doe we desire as this to rayl revile scandalize and disturbe the Ministers of Christ but this we desire which is reasonable to have liberty to speak the truth which we are able to prove by the Scriptures of truth and if any man accuse us especially if he pretend to be a Minister with the holding of damnable tenents as it is like this Smith hath done we desire that they might shew us in the spirit of meekness what these damnable tenents are that we might forsake them and if they accuse us falsly that they might repent and this liberty is but reasonable and not contrary to the Law of the Nation but it seems this Smith would have liberty to say what he will and none to say to him what dost thou but if they doe he will call them disturbers and the means he will use to recover them as it seems is Shrewsbury Gaol or else Bedlam which is a means the Ministers of Christ never used that ever I read of in the Scriptures of truth but it hath been the custome of that Synagogue of Satan at Rome and their adherents when they could not bring men into submission to what they falsly called truth then under the name of Hereticks or disturbers of the peace those that would not submit to them they put to some cruell death or else kept them in prison and shamefully entreated them which is the way this Smith would take it seems to recover those which will not beleeve what he saith to be true but it is good for the Rulers to take heed that they doe not consents least they should become guilty of innocent blood for by this he hath made himself manifest to all the children of light what spirit he is of Narration And the innocent there accused could have proved the Priests man forsworne but could not be heard Smith Saith be it known unto all men by these presents that the Quakers in Shrewsbury Gaol are not perfect nor without sin unless their tenents be which I shall not wonder at that lying is no sin c. Reply Here thou gives out as though they were lyers pretending thou hath some ground or colour for it if any of the books came to thy hand uncorrected but to take away the ground or colour of thy accusing them this I say I have seen their Manuscript and it is there the innocent there accused could have proved the Priests man forsworn speaking of thy servant and besides they can prove many of the books they corrected though may be some might escape their hands and if there was nothing near to thee which accused thee why did thou take it to thy self if thou had dealt honestly thou would not have catcht at a letter being set wrong knowing that a fault may be in printing as I might instance in thy book or else thou hast done very sottishly but this I pass not loving to strive about words having taken thy ground or colour of accusing them away they are clear and are able to prove what they intended which was concerning thy man-servant being forsworne which may be a shame unto thee to keep such in thy house it may be thou thought thou might say what thou would when thou had them in Shrewsbury Gaol which is the means thou will use to recover them or else Bedlam surely thy Bretheren and the men of thy own generation will be ashamed of this Io. 8.44 or else their merchandize will savour evill in the Nostrels of all honest men and for our tenents being such that lying is no sin I utterly deny for lying is of the Devill he is the Father of it and all unrighteousness is sin so they being clear of what thou accused them with let him that 's wise judge who is fallen into the pit Narration And being carryed to prison we remained till the next day c. Smith It is well you will sometime speak the truth c. Reply I say it is well thou hast confest this out of thy own mouth be thou judged whether thou be a lyer yea or nay thou saith toward the beginning of thy Book speaking of theirs that it was full of falshoods lys and untruths now if it had been ful of falshoods lys and untruths as thou saith then how could they sometime speak the truth in it be thou judge of this matter and he that deserves the shame let him take it Narration Neither did we any thing contrary to sound doctrine for there is nothing mentioned in the Scripture of putting off the Hat c. Smith VVhere was that honour you owed as due to the Magistrate when you came and presented your selves in the face of the Court and presence of the Iudge in that rude uncivill and contemptuous manner neither putting off the Hat nor bowing before him which the fifth Commandement commands c. Reply They honoured the Magistrate with as much honour as that thou tells of which Paul gave to Festus and King Agrippa he called them by the titles which belonged to them and so did they him who