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A11532 A conference betvvixt a mother a devout recusant, and her sonne a zealous protestant seeking by humble and dutifull satisfaction to winne her vnto the trueth, and publike worship of god established nowe in England. Gathered by him whose hearts desire is, that all may come to the knowledge of God, and be saued.; Conference betwixt a mother a devout recusant, and her sonne a zealous protestant. Savage, Francis, d. 1638. 1600 (1600) STC 21781; ESTC S106433 62,438 140

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their_o sleep_a and_o wake_v their_o buy_n and_o sell_v their_o speech_n and_o silence_n yea_o their_o pray_a &_o serve_v of_o god_n for_o they_o do_v these_o action_n either_o of_o custom_n or_o example_n or_o necessity_n as_o beast_n do_v and_o not_o of_o faith_n because_o they_o know_v not_o god_n will_v touch_v thing_n to_o be_v do_v or_o leave_v undo_v wherefore_o the_o due_a consideration_n hereof_o shall_v make_v every_o man_n most_o careful_a to_o seek_v for_o knowledge_n of_o god_n word_n and_o daily_a to_o increase_v in_o it_o that_o he_o may_v in_o all_o his_o affair_n have_v god_n law_n to_o be_v the_o man_n of_o his_o council_n that_o he_o may_v give_v heed_n to_o they_o as_o to_o a_o lantarne_n
unto_o his_o foot_n and_o a_o light_n unto_o his_o path_n so_o shall_v conscience_n be_v a_o sure_a guide_n and_o he_o reform_v himself_o by_o true_a obedience_n both_o to_o god_n and_o man_n otherwise_o as_o i_o have_v say_v what_o we_o call_v conscience_n be_v but_o a_o fancy_n a_o conceit_n and_o a_o false_a erroneous_a persuasion_n such_o as_o if_o we_o still_o will_v follow_v against_o god_n against_o prince_n against_o country_n and_o all_o that_o ever_o any_o governor_n or_o friend_n can_v say_v unto_o we_o the_o day_n will_v come_v when_o we_o shall_v feel_v with_o woe_n the_o punishment_n of_o such_o obstinacy_n and_o true_a conscience_n shall_v witness_v the_o want_n of_o conscience_n in_o so_o proud_o disobey_v all_o good_a persuasion_n which_o god_n forbid_v in_o his_o great_a mercy_n and_o turn_v our_o heart_n in_o time_n unto_o his_o truth_n m._n but_o i_o take_v it_o there_o be_v a_o plain_a scripture_n that_o who_o so_o do_v a_o thing_n which_o in_o his_o heart_n he_o 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of_o god_n himself_o 4._o that_o the_o manner_n and_o end_n of_o the_o apostle_n bear_v be_v not_o to_o nourish_v error_n or_o to_o harden_v such_o a_o one_o in_o his_o opinion_n and_o do_v but_o by_o patience_n to_o draw_v he_o to_o truth_n in_o the_o end_n which_o manner_n of_o tolerance_n the_o apostle_n call_v edification_n vers_fw-la 19_o and_o chap._n 15.2_o last_o the_o apostle_n speak_v not_o of_o gentile_n &_o infidel_n nor_o of_o stubborn_a christian_n but_o of_o a_o brother_n a_o faithful_a man_n and_o one_o that_o have_v receive_v and_o embrace_v the_o profession_n of_o the_o gospel_n but_o be_v weak_a through_o ignorance_n of_o some_o one_o point_n pertain_v to_o christian_a liberty_n in_o the_o outward_a use_n of_o god_n creature_n wherein_o he_o be_v not_o thorough_o persuade_v of_o instruct_v of_o bear_v with_o such_o a_o one_o by_o those_o who_o god_n have_v call_v to_o more_o plentiful_a knowledge_n of_o his_o heavenly_a truth_n speak_v he_o all_o which_o thing_n 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