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any_o proper_a punishment_n of_o sin_n nor_o come_n for_o any_o pain_n or_o smart_n that_o he_o feel_v inflict_v for_o sin_n but_o it_o be_v mere_a devotion_n to_o god_n 290_o 2_o 1â—4.23.9_n 144_o 290_o &_o love_n pity_n &_o compassion_n towards_o man_n which_o say_v you_o can_v not_o be_v without_o some_o fear_n and_o zeal_n and_o grief_n that_o be_v true_a but_o this_o be_v a_o notable_a fallacy_n for_o many_o think_v that_o you_o mean_v christ_n suffer_v such_o sorrow_n and_o pain_n as_o be_v both_o proper_a to_o the_o soul_n and_o be_v the_o proper_a punishment_n of_o sin_n also_o but_o than_o have_v you_o herein_o full_o agree_v with_o us._n now_o that_o religious_a devotion_n addition_n godly_a and_o â—â—â—tâ—ous_a addition_n and_o pity_n be_v proper_o part_n of_o christ_n holiness_n and_o righteousness_n not_o of_o his_o suffering_n for_o sin_n for_o these_o 2._o part_n of_o christ_n mediation_n i_o trust_v you_o will_v distinguish_v and_o sure_o christ_n agony_n be_v proper_o a_o part_n of_o his_o most_o bitter_a passion_n not_o of_o his_o obedience_n and_o righteousness_n albeit_o even_o in_o suffer_v also_o he_o be_v perfect_o obedient_a thus_o than_o you_o be_v never_o the_o near_o to_o the_o truth_n in_o this_o point_n for_o all_o your_o seem_n again_o consider_v what_o you_o write_v of_o the_o wrath_n 132.246_o wrath_n pa._n 130_o 132.246_o of_o god_n which_o the_o godly_a general_o do_v suffer_v you_o seem_v to_o i_o to_o think_v that_o every_o martiâ—s_n death_n and_o all_o the_o cross_n and_o grief_n both_o of_o body_n and_o mind_n in_o the_o godly_a be_v very_a afflict_a very_a for_o yoâ—_n make_v gâ—â—_n wrath_n â—â—â—ferent_a to_o man_n who_o afflict_a punishment_n of_o sin_n and_o right_a effect_n of_o god_n justice_n and_o wrath_n take_v proper_o vengeance_n on_o they_o
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it_o nâ—â—nim_fw-la ipsâ—â—_n in_o celo_fw-la â—â—rus_fw-la crat_fw-mi â—â—mo_fw-la chrâ—â—_n jesus_n divine_a presence_n in_o paradise_n but_o you_o refuse_v that_o because_o 21_o because_o pag._n 21_o we_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n to_o fasten_v christ_n soul_n unto_o hell_n for_o the_o time_n of_o his_o death_n that_o it_o may_v not_o be_v in_o paradise_n before_o he_o descend_v to_o hell_n three_o you_o 196_o you_o pa._n 196_o renounce_v austen_n and_o as_o he_o say_v almost_o all_o the_o church_n think_v that_o christ_n loose_v adam_n and_o some_o other_o who_o he_o think_v good_a out_o of_o the_o pain_n of_o hell_n wherein_o till_o his_o go_v thither_o they_o be_v hold_v four_o against_o all_o the_o father_n 200._o father_n pa._n 188_o 200._o you_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v more_o then_o manefe_a that_o christ_n do_v not_o fetch_v the_o patriarch_n out_o of_o limbo_n patrum_fw-la a_o certain_a region_n of_o rest_n under_o the_o earth_n as_o they_o general_o 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pag._n 2d_o you_o simple_o call_v it_o neither_o be_v it_o 2d_o it_o pag._n 2d_o unclean_a nor_o irreverent_a nor_o irreligious_a but_o a_o holy_a &_o most_o fit_a representation_n of_o christ_n pay_n our_o debt_n for_o we_o and_o of_o our_o acquit_v from_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n by_o he_o the_o very_a word_n be_v use_v in_o scripture_n itself_o â—â—_o itself_o heb._n â—â—_o he_o be_v make_v a_o surety_n of_o a_o better_a covenant_n which_o also_o express_o you_o grant_v â—â—_o grant_v pag._n â—â—_o that_o christ_n be_v make_v a_o surety_n we_o find_v it_o once_o mention_v in_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o that_o sufficient_a then_o to_o warrant_v the_o goodness_n and_o aptness_n of_o the_o similitude_n against_o your_o undutyfull_a reproof_n of_o it_o but_o you_o say_v he_o be_v not_o as_o a_o surety_n bind_v to_o the_o law_n but_o of_o a_o better_a covenant_n even_o of_o grace_n very_o a_o surety_n to_o we_o of_o both_o yea_o this_o latter_a impli_v necessary_o the_o former_a 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he_o suffer_v in_o justice_n as_o be_v before_o prove_v and_o in_o vain_a you_o exclaim_v that_o this_o be_v a_o against_o the_o scripture_n 272._o pag._n 272._o against_o the_o faith_n against_o the_o father_n against_o the_o conscience_n of_o god_n people_n see_v it_o appear_v not_o to_o be_v against_o 182._o pag._n 182._o but_o with_o all_o these_o b_o your_o similitude_n of_o a_o king_n son_n entreat_v for_o his_o father_n rebel_n be_v very_o weak_a and_o overthrow_v if_o it_o be_v good_a a_o confess_a point_n of_o christ_n redemption_n for_o by_o this_o similitude_n christ_n shall_v not_o have_v suffer_v bodily_a death_n for_o we_o see_v no_o king_n have_v lawful_a power_n by_o any_o mean_n to_o lay_v bodily_a death_n on_o any_o such_o surety_n much_o
other_o sense_n at_o all_o which_o these_o word_n may_v seem_v rather_o to_o admit_v wherefore_o this_o be_v more_o than_o half_a a_o conclusion_n against_o you_o that_o my_o interpretation_n and_o application_n of_o it_o be_v unjust_o by_o you_o reprove_v then_o 2d_o then_o pag._n 2d_o you_o come_v to_o confute_v my_o four_o reason_n but_o the_o main_a point_n thereof_o you_o have_v not_o so_o much_o as_o touch_v 1_o i_o 45._o i_o treatâ—_n pa._n 45._o show_v that_o the_o godly_a sometime_o in_o this_o life_n do_v feel_v a_o taste_n of_o god_n infinite_a wrath_n and_o even_o of_o hellish_a sorrow_n 2._o that_o christ_n our_o redeemer_n suffer_v for_o we_o as_o deep_o yea_o deep_o than_o ever_o any_o of_o we_o here_o do_v suffer_v or_o can_v suffer_v but_o all_o this_o you_o can_v here_o clean_o pass_v over_o without_o any_o word_n to_o it_o whereupon_o it_o follow_v sound_o that_o christ_n indeed_o suffer_v in_o spirit_n the_o true_a effect_n of_o god_n wrath_n and_o even_o the_o 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to_o be_v make_v like_o unto_o his_o brethren_n 2d_o hebr_n 4.15_o â—om_n 8.19_o â—â—ch_a 20_o 2d_o e_o like_v in_o temptation_n infirmity_n and_o f_o affliction_n only_o except_o sin_n that_o he_o may_v be_v a_o merciful_a and_o faithful_a highpriest_n in_o thing_n concern_v god_n for_o in_o that_o which_o himself_o suffer_v and_o be_v tempt_v in_o he_o be_v able_a to_o succour_v they_o which_o be_v tempt_v first_o en_fw-fr hó_n in_o that_o which_o himself_o suffer_v signify_v either_o the_o matter_n wherein_o christ_n be_v able_a to_o succour_v we_o or_o the_o mean_n whereby_o he_o become_v able_a that_o be_v to_o say_v ready_a and_o sit_v to_o succour_v we_o or_o else_o the_o occasion_n and_o reason_n why_o he_o be_v the_o ready_a to_o succour_v we_o even_o in_o that_o himself_o suffer_v and_o be_v tempt_v he_o be_v able_a to_o succour_v they_o who_o be_v tempt_v as_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v be_v it_o not_o that_o himself_o by_o his_o own_o feel_n know_v the_o misery_n of_o our_o suffering_n and_o temptation_n he_o have_v not_o be_v so_o ready_a to_o succour_v we_o in_o all_o we_o not_o with_o such_o compassion_n as_o now_o he_o be_v which_o way_n soever_o of_o these_o 3_o we_o take_v these_o word_n yet_o they_o plain_o infer_v that_o christ_n himself_o feel_v all_o the_o misery_n and_o smart_n of_o our_o suffering_n and_o temptation_n which_o we_o at_o any_o time_n do_v feel_v &_o wherein_o we_o be_v succour_v thus_o as_o i_o have_v show_v neither_o do_v you_o gainsay_v the_o godly_a sometime_o feel_v a_o infinite_a pain_n of_o god_n *_o wrath_n and_o of_o hellish_a sorrow_n in_o this_o life_n â—â—ch_a â—o_z their_z â—â—e_z it_o seeâ—â—h_v â—â—well_v â—â—ch_a christ_n therefore_o feel_v the_o same_o indeed_o to_o succour_v we_o thereby_o whereunto_o serve_v our_o public_a doctrine_n g_o diram_fw-la execrationem_fw-la quâ_fw-la scelera_fw-la nos_fw-la nostra_fw-la de_fw-la vinxerat_fw-la in_o se_fw-la suscepit_fw-la ut_fw-la eâ_fw-la nos_fw-la hoc_fw-la 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experience_n of_o they_o this_o same_o also_o sundry_a of_o the_o father_n avouch_v with_o we_o most_o full_o and_o even_o those_o which_o yourself_o bring_v for_o a_o yourself_o 25._o pag._n 25._o cyrills_n word_n before_o touch_v be_v most_o large_a 10.3_o cyrill_n theâ—â—ur_fw-fr 10.3_o omnia_fw-la christus_fw-la perpessus_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la nos_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la liberaret_fw-la christ_n thorough_o suffer_v all_o such_o passion_n which_o man_n do_v suffer_v that_o he_o may_v deliver_v we_o from_o all_o â—ature_n humane_a â—ature_n all_o the_o passion_n of_o †_o flesh_n be_v stir_v in_o christ_n yet_o without_o sin_n and_o so_o that_o unless_o he_o have_v dye_v we_o have_v not_o be_v deliver_v from_o death_n unless_o he_o have_v fear_v and_o sorrow_v we_o have_v not_o be_v quit_v from_o fear_n and_o sorrow_n here_o he_o say_v all_o our_o passion_n be_v stir_v in_o christ_n humane_a nature_n even_o so_o far_o as_o we_o be_v cure_v and_o so_o far_o as_o may_v be_v 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â—â—_o a_o little_a after_o his_o e_z former_a word_n he_o say_v the_o joy_n of_o the_o eternal_a godhead_n be_v part_v away_o from_o he_o christ_n be_v affect_v with_o the_o redioâ—snes_n of_o my_o infirmity_n 48_o â—â—fore_o pa._n 48_o he_o take_v upon_o he_o my_o sorrow_n that_o he_o may_v give_v i_o his_o joy_n and_o he_o abase_v himself_o to_o the_o sorrow_n of_o death_n in_o our_o manner_n that_o by_o the_o same_o mean_n in_o he_o he_o may_v bring_v we_o to_o life_n he_o ought_v therefore_o to_o take_v sorrow_n that_o he_o may_v overcome_v sorrow_n and_o not_o exempt_v himself_o from_o it_o &_o that_o we_o may_v learn_v in_o christ_n to_o overcome_v the_o sorrow_n of_o death_n approach_v wherefore_o christ_n exempt_v himself_o from_o nothing_o in_o his_o passion_n that_o we_o have_v experience_n of_o as_o touch_v pain_n and_o sorrow_n and_o by_o the_o same_o suffering_n in_o himself_o for_o we_o he_o heal_v we_o whereunto_o we_o be_v subject_a by_o reason_n of_o sin_n so_o that_o thus_o in_o his_o agony_n he_o wrought_v with_o a_o deep_a effect_n that_o because_o in_o his_o flesh_n he_o kill_v our_o sin_n he_o may_v also_o with_o the_o sorrow_n of_o his_o soul_n extinguish_v the_o sorrow_n of_o our_o soul_n to_o this_o very_a purpose_n also_o jerom._n also_o pag._n 47_o 4â—_n naâ—â—anz_n fulgent_n barnard_n tertull._n jerom._n many_o other_o before_o rehearse_v do_v affirm_v most_o full_o neither_o be_v this_o take_n of_o their_o sentence_n any_o whit_n to_o abuse_v the_o father_n which_o you_o 86._o you_o pag._n 86._o be_v afraid_a of_o you_o great_o abuse_v they_o which_o take_v they_o otherwise_o namely_o as_o if_o they_o mean_v that_o by_o the_o flesh_n and_o bloodshed_n of_o christ_n mere_o &_o alone_o without_o the_o merit_n of_o his_o soul_n and_o mind_n proper_a suffering_n our_o whole_a ransom_n be_v pay_v as_o for_o our_o compare_v the_o pain_n of_o christ_n suffering_n with_o the_o pain_n even_o of_o the_o reprobat_n in_o this_o life_n i_o see_v 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of_o punishment_n can_v be_v where_o sin_n be_v not_o that_o be_v true_a neither_o in_o deed_n can_v the_o least_o pain_n be_v where_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n and_o that_o no_o more_o in_o the_o body_n then_o in_o the_o soul_n though_o this_o please_v not_o you_o mark_v what_o i_o say_v the_o extreme_a pain_n of_o all_o may_v as_o possible_o be_v inflict_v where_o no_o sin_n be_v as_o the_o very_a lest_o &_o that_o as_o well_o in_o the_o spirit_n as_o in_o the_o body_n but_o in_o truth_n neither_o the_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o be_v possible_a neither_o the_o great_a nor_o the_o least_o pain_n of_o god_n proper_a vengeance_n for_o sin_n can_v be_v inflict_v or_o suffer_v at_o all_o in_o soul_n or_o in_o body_n but_o only_o where_o sin_n be_v that_o be_v to_o say_v either_o impute_v or_o inhaerent_a ordinary_o the_o reprobat_fw-la be_v thus_o punish_v where_o sin_n be_v inhaerent_a extraordinary_o and_o singular_o by_o god_n own_o special_a ordinance_n christ_n be_v even_o thus_o 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same_o he_o be_v crucify_v touch_v his_o infirmity_n but_o live_v by_o the_o power_n of_o god_n his_o infirmity_n the_o text_n here_o name_v metonimical_o understand_v in_o christ_n that_o in_o which_o his_o infirmity_n be_v now_o his_o soul_n have_v infirmity_n of_o suffer_v in_o it_o as_o well_o as_o his_o body_n therefore_o his_o soul_n also_o be_v understand_v here_o that_o it_o be_v crucify_a and_o dye_v that_o be_v according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o as_o likewise_o his_o body_n according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o and_o thus_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v infirmity_n peter_n call_v flesh_n and_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v the_o power_n of_o god_n peter_n call_v the_o spirit_n that_o be_v his_o deity_n be_v set_v opposit_o in_o both_o these_o place_n to_o his_o whole_a humanity_n even_o to_o body_n and_o soul_n 4.13_o aug._n the_o 4.13_o to_o which_o purpose_n that_o place_n also_o to_o the_o rom._n the_o rom._n roman_n do_v serve_v where_o the_o like_a 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&_o aught_o for_o this_o extreme_a abase_v of_o christ_n for_o us._n â—_o 〈◊〉_d pilip_n 2._o â—_o remember_v your_o own_o word_n out_o of_o austin_n that_o there_o be_v in_o some_o man_n insipiens_fw-la honorisicentia_fw-la a_o fond_a intent_n of_o honour_v christ._n if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o sure_o this_o be_v one_o point_n thereof_o which_o you_o maintain_v mr_n calvin_n a_o worthy_a minister_n of_o christ_n â—6_n â—alvin_fw-fr â—ath_n â—6_n and_o a_o pillar_n of_o the_o church_n be_v bold_a and_o say_v fatemur_fw-la certe_fw-la hanc_fw-la esse_fw-la crucis_fw-la stultitiam_fw-la quae_fw-la scandaloest_fw-mi superbis_fw-la hominibus_fw-la we_o confess_v indeed_o such_o be_v the_o baseness_n and_o folly_n of_o christ_n cross_n that_o proud_a man_n can_v away_o with_o it_o in_o another_o place_n where_o i_o show_v from_o the_o more_o to_o the_o less_o 57_o â—eat_n â—_o pa._n 57_o how_o christ_n may_v have_v for_o the_o sudden_a the_o power_n of_o his_o mind_n astonish_v and_o yet_o no_o decay_n in_o he_o of_o faith_n nor_o of_o obedience_n nor_o of_o patience_n nor_o of_o love_n like_v as_o there_o be_v not_o in_o a_o man_n benumb_a &_o bind_v in_o his_o sense_n more_o than_o christ_n be_v namely_o in_o a_o man_n a_o sleep_n or_o amaze_v with_o a_o violent_a blow_n on_o the_o head_n for_o thus_o any_o reasonable_a man_n will_v have_v conceive_v i_o see_v who_o will_v imagine_v that_o i_o think_v christ_n now_o to_o be_v altogether_o so_o without_o sense_n as_o one_o that_o sleep_v or_o that_o lie_v in_o a_o swoon_n hereupon_o you_o ask_v i_o skoff_o 299._o pag._n 299._o a_o be_v christ_n a_o sleep_n or_o in_o a_o swoon_n b_o cast_v into_o a_o trance_n 120._o pag._n 120._o or_o c_o in_o a_o fit_a of_o a_o lethargy_n but_o what_o i_o do_v think_v of_o christ_n agony_n i_o have_v say_v before_o 121._o pag._n 121._o indeed_o as_o do_v you_o grant_v that_o amazednes_n and_o astonishment_n come_v natural_o from_o sorrow_n and_o fear_n and_o that_o 293._o pag._n 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