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A92933 A Serious answer to a late book stiled, A reply to Mr. Robert Steed's epistle concerning singing wherein the chief scriptures and arguments are examined, and the weakness thereof shewed : together with an answer to the several reflections, and false charges, against both churches and persons, recommended to the elders, ministers, and members of baptized churches. Kiffin, William, 1616-1701.; Steed, Robert, of Dartmouth.; Barrett, George.; E. M. (Edward Man) 1692 (1692) Wing S2607; ESTC R42860 36,728 64

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the_o time_n of_o the_o sing_n of_o bird_n be_v come_v etc._n etc._n that_o as_o able_a interpreter_n tell_v we_o be_v mean_v that_o a_o rejoice_v or_o praising-time_n be_v come_v deut._n 32.44_o and_o moses_n speak_v all_o the_o word_n of_o that_o song_n unto_o the_o people_n and_o in_o v._o 43._o it_o be_v say_v rejoice_v o_o you_o nation_n with_o his_o people_n which_o be_v elsewhere_o call_v sing_v and_o sometime_o shout_v doubtless_o there_o be_v never_o a_o great_a song_n of_o praise_n utter_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o christ_n than_o that_o luk._n 19.37_o 38._o when_o the_o disciple_n rejoice_v and_o praise_v god_n for_o all_o the_o mighty_a work_n which_o they_o have_v see_v say_v not_o sing_v bless_a be_v he_o that_o come_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n peace_n in_o heaven_n and_o glory_n in_o the_o high_a that_o music_n utter_v by_o they_o with_o their_o voice_n make_v more_o melody_n than_o any_o compose_a song_n that_o can_v be_v sing_v in_o metre_n and_o as_o mr._n caryl_n tell_v we_o upon_o that_o scripture_n it_o be_v music_n the_o pharisee_n do_v not_o like_a but_o will_v have_v they_o rebuke_v for_o so_o do_v obj._n it_o be_v indeed_o frequent_o and_o earnest_o plead_v by_o the_o author_n of_o that_o book_n that_o sing_v or_o song_n bear_v that_o acceptation_n of_o a_o musical_a melody_n with_o the_o voice_n among_o all_o mankind_n answ_n to_o which_o we_o answer_v that_o if_o it_o have_v please_v the_o spirit_n of_o the_o lord_n in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n to_o make_v use_n of_o those_o word_n in_o another_o sense_n what_o have_v we_o to_o say_v to_o it_o or_o dare_v any_o that_o be_v true_o pious_a to_o contradict_v it_o that_o sing_v be_v in_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o new_a use_v in_o a_o metaphorical_a sense_n be_v apparent_a as_o where_o sing_v to_o the_o praise_n of_o god_n be_v ascribe_v to_o inanimate_a creature_n as_o well_o as_o to_o other_o see_v psal_n 65.13_o isa_n 49.13_o jer._n 12._o so_o job_n 38.7_o if_o we_o take_v the_o morning-star_n for_o the_o angel_n as_o some_o do_v they_o need_v not_o the_o faculty_n of_o speech_n or_o as_o other_o take_v the_o word_n for_o the_o whole_a creation_n in_o their_o respective_a kind_n than_o the_o word_n sing_n must_v be_v take_v figurative_o even_o for_o their_o praise_v their_o great_a creator_n by_o way_n suitable_a to_o their_o several_a nature_n however_o a_o supposition_n to_o the_o contrary_n will_v be_v high_o ridiculous_a so_o in_o like_a manner_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n as_o for_o instance_n 1_o cor._n 14.15_o where_o it_o appear_v that_o sing_v and_o give_v of_o thanks_o be_v convertible_a term_n but_o especial_o we_o desire_v it_o may_v be_v consider_v serious_o what_o may_v be_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o mind_n of_o god_n in_o that_o scripture_n heb._n 2.12_o i_o will_v declare_v thy_o name_n unto_o my_o brethren_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o congregation_n will_v i_o sing_v praise_n to_o thou_o this_o text_n be_v a_o prophecy_n of_o christ_n our_o saviour_n quote_v from_o psal_n 22.22_o for_o the_o open_n of_o which_o we_o shall_v repeat_v the_o exposition_n that_o the_o excellent_a person_n dr._n owen_n give_v of_o it_o as_o follow_v first_o what_o christ_n will_v moreover_o do_v he_o will_v sing_v praise_n unto_o god_n and_o second_o where_o he_o will_v do_v it_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o congregation_n the_o expression_n of_o both_o these_o be_v accommodate_v to_o the_o declaration_n of_o god_n name_n and_o and_o praise_v of_o he_o in_o the_o temple_n the_o sing_n of_o hymn_n of_o praise_n unto_o god_n in_o the_o great_a congregation_n be_v then_o a_o principal_a part_n of_o his_o worship_n and_o in_o the_o first_o expression_n two_o thing_n be_v observable_a 1._o what_o christ_n undertake_v to_o do_v that_o be_v to_o praise_v god_n now_o this_o be_v only_o exegetical_a of_o what_o go_v before_o he_o will_v praise_v god_n by_o declare_v his_o name_n there_o be_v no_o way_n whereby_o the_o praise_n of_o god_n may_v be_v celebrate_v like_o that_o of_o declare_v his_o grace_n goodness_n and_o love_n unto_o man_n etc._n etc._n 2._o the_o cheerfulness_n and_o alacrity_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o christ_n in_o this_o work_n he_o will_v do_v it_o as_o with_o joy_n and_o singing_n with_o such_o a_o frame_n of_o heart_n as_o be_v require_v in_o they_o who_o be_v to_o sing_v the_o praise_n of_o god_n in_o the_o great_a assembly_n in_o the_o temple_n 3._o where_o will_v he_o do_v this_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o midst_n of_o the_o congregation_n the_o great_a congregation_n as_o he_o call_v it_o v._o 25._o 〈◊〉_d be_v the_o great_a assembly_n of_o the_o people_n in_o the_o temple_n and_o this_o be_v a_o type_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o elect_a under_o the_o new_a testament_n the_o lord_n christ_n in_o his_o own_o person_n by_o his_o spirit_n in_o his_o apostle_n and_o his_o word_n by_o all_o his_o messenger_n unto_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n 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