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A49979 News of a trumpet sounding in the wilderness, or, The Quakers antient testimony revived, examined and compared with itself, and also with their new doctrine whereby the ignorant may learn wisdom, and the wise advance in their understandings / collected with diligence, and carefully cited from their antient and later writings, and recommended to the serious reading and consideration of all enquiring Christians, by Daniel Leeds. Leeds, Daniel, 1652-1720. 1697 (1697) Wing L914; ESTC R11241 77,230 166

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consequently three distinct Gods Qrs. Plainness p. 2● G. W. saith That the Distinction of the Father and Son are not only Nominal but Real Note here if G. W's Real distinction do not make the Father Son distinct Substances But W. Penn tells him they are distirct nothings Reconcile these who can Numb II. Quakers Plainness p. 24. G. W. saith we own that the Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father And also that the Son is the mighty God the Everlasting Father the Prince of Peace Sandy Foundation p. 14. W. Penn saith If the only God is the Father and Christ be the only God then is Christ the Father which is Ridiculous and Shamefull Note how W P. calls his Brother Whitehead's Doctrine Ridiculous Shamefull Numb III. Qrs. plainness p. 19. G W. there declares that they cannot deviate from Scripture Phrase in their Creed For untill you bring us plain Scripture saith he that saith the humane Nature is the Christ which phrase is conscientiously scrupled we must rather patiently bear your censure than deviate from Scripture Language in our Creed But in p. 18. G. W. sayes Have we not plainly and often confest than the divine Nature or word cloathed with the most holy Manhood was and is the Christ Note cloathed with the most holy Manhood is not Scripture Language on phrase so that here he deviates from Scripture Language in his Creed in the very next page Pray what is this but Hypocrisie Numb IV. Sandy Founda p. 22. W. Penn saith Since Christ could not pay what was not his own Debt it follows that in the payment of his own the case still remains equally grievous since the debt is not hereby absolved or forgmen but transfered only Divi. of Christ Ans ●● T. D. p. 16. How false and Blasphemous says G. W. this charge is against Christ I appeal to all sober Professors of Christianity viz. That when God required Satisfaction of Christ is was due from Christ. Now observe That as before W. P. Renders Geo. Whitehead's Doctrine Ridiculous Shamefull so here G. W. renders W. Penns Doctrine basphemous for holding that Christ had a Debt of his own to satisfy to God as W. P. more laregly affirms p. 22. of his Sandy Foundat Therefore as G. W. in his Quakers plainness p 20 says Pray you ●aptists agree upon a consistent Creed that you intend to stand by so now the Bap●●sts may say Pray you Quakers agree upon a consistent Creed that you intend to stand by c. Again I cannot but observe that though G. Whitehead as before pretends that they concientiously scruple to deviate from Scripture Language or phrase yet I have not met with one Book of controversie that G. W. has written but he himself diviates from Scripture phrase herein Likewise in Divinity of Christ by G. W. and G. Fox they begin in the Epistle with Commanding and charging Professors to bring express Scripture for their Doctrine saying whether do the Scriptures speak of three Persons in the Godhead in these express words Let us see where it is written Com● do not shuffle for we are resolved the Scripture shall buffet you about And where doth the Scripture speak of a Humane Nature of Christ in Heaven And where doth the Scripture say the Soul is part of mans Nature Give us plain Scripture without adding or diminishing Come let us see Chapter and verse c. Now may not the Professors say Come G. W. Come Quakers where doth the Scripture say the Distinction of Father and Son is not only Nominal but Real in these express words Let us see where it is written Come do not shuffle And where doth the Scripture speak or say the divine Nature cloathed with the most holy Manhood was and is the Christ And where doth th● Scrip-say these words The Light within every man Give us plain express Scripture for this your first and grand Principle of all without adding or diminishing Come let us see Chapter and Verse seeing you pretend you cannot deviate from Scripture phrase in your Creed Besides if G. W. does not hereby mean deceit and hypocrisie for what end does he pretend they cannot own this or that in their Creed if it be expressed in plain Scripture seeing they so often and plainly testify that the Scripture is not their Rule but the light within is their rule in Faith But for Professors to call for Scripture is but according to their principles because they own it for their rule Numb V. Sandy Founda p. 15. W. P. saith In the fullness of time God sent his Son who so many hundred years since in PERSON testified the virtue c. Quakers plainness p. 24. G. W saith The Title PERSON is too low and unscriptural to give to the Christ of God Numb VI. E. Burroughs p. 142. J. Bu●jo● said How are they deceived who own Christ no otherwayes then as he was before the world began E. B. Replys Here then hast discovered thy sel● more plainly Did not the Saints own Christ Jesus the same yesterday to day and for ever for Salvation Quakers vindication p. 16. by G. Bishop We distinguish between Christ which was before the Foundation of the World and his being within the true Light the Body which he took of the Virgin c. Note here G. B. owns Christ otherwayes For Salvation than as he was before the world began for he makes 3 distinctions of Ch●ist Numb VII R. Huberthorns works p. 20. Preist says Christ himself was not capable of Faith and Repentance R. H. Replys Here I Charge thee to be a Lyar and a Slanderer for he was capable of Faith and Repentance Divinity of Christ Ans to T. D. p. 22. Christ he never did nor could sin says G. Whitehead Note does not G. W. here hold Christ not capable of sin And how then was he capable of Repentance Numb VIII Quakers Challenge by Solomon Eccl●s George Fox whose Name says he thou art ne● worthy to take in thy Mouth who is a Prophet indeed It was said of Christ that he was in the World and the World was made by him and the World knew him not so it may be said of this true Prophet whom John said he was not But thou wilt feel this Prophet one day as heavy as a Milstone upon thee c. G. W. excuses this in his serious search p. 58. Book call'd Ishmael c. p. 9. by G. W. One said It is all one to say the Scripture faith and God saith G. W. Replys Thou Blasphemous Beast dost thou make no difference between the Scripture and God! Here let all that reads this see thy Blasphemy Note upon what occasions they revile others for Blasphemy But G. W. excuses that real Blasphemy in his Brother S. E. and only sayes 'T is a little failure in syntax But let G. Whitehead tel me If a man should affirm it is all one to say His Book Ishmael saith and the
the Hat and going to Meetings for he affim●s p. 5. That Spirit that leads from the practice thereof to be A dark Spirit clearness and freedom is not in it but it doth lead into bondage But how quite contrary this is to that in Truths Principles p 24 51. Every Man ought to be left FREE as the Lord shall perswade his OWN Mind in doing or leaving undone this or the other Practice in Religion This indeed looks quite with another face clean contrary to Rome's Impositions aforesaid and yet these Quakers would have us believe they are led by the ONE Spirit But I perceive J. Crook That wrote that Book is not a fit Man for their Society CHAP VII Of the Scriptures CHristian Quaker pag 104. W. P. cites and transposes the Apostles words thus Lo in the Volumn of the Book it is written I come to do thy Will O God A Body hast thou prepared me But great W. P hath not altered the Sense of that Text yet by W. P 's own Doctrine 't is very questionable whether that be true Scripture especially because what is written in the volumn of the Book of the old Testament is only this Sacrifices and Offerings thou aidst not desire mine Ears ●ast thou opened Psal 40.6 Mark here is not a word of a Body hast thou prepared me which ●e ●nd his Brethren make such a Noise about in their Books Now says W. P. Rejoynder p. 38 I cannot but observe at what a suspected rate the Scriptures have been both first collected and then convered through the several succeeding Ages I may well object Are we sure the Judgment of them who first collected them was sufficient to determine what was right and what not Also How shall we be ass●red that in above 300 years so many hundred Copies as were doubtless taken should be pure and uncorrupted considering the private Dissentions the readiness of each party to bend things to their own belief and the growing and succeeding Faults of leaving out a●ding transposing c. Nor was the Collectors Judgment In●allible Learned men tell us of little less than 3000 several Readings of the Scriptures of the New-Testament in Greek Hence we may observe the Vncertainty of J. Faldo 's Word of God c. Now therefore since W. P. thus declares the Uncertainty of the Scriptures of the New-Testament and the Psalmist to which the Apostle seems to refer shews that Text to be altered why then should he and his Brethren build such monstrous Principles upon so uncertain a Foundation as they render it That upon these words which it seems are properly Mine Ears hast thou opened as that therefore he who dyed at Jerusalem was not Christ but a prepared Body and that the Jews did not see Christ but a prepared Body and that the outward Person born of the Virgin was no part of Christ but only a Garment see Numb 38 48. And to strengthen this Anti-scriptural Doctrine T. Elwood has one knack in his Truth Desended p. 138. where he ventures to belye the common Creed The common Creed says he called the Apostles Creed says Christ was conceived by the holy Ghost Though born of the Virgin Now pray search the common Creed and see if the word Though be there to be found Behold this great Quakers Champion O what an Imposture would he have rendered George Keith to the World had he wrote this Lye of the Creed Note further W Penn cites and defends this Passage R●joynder p. 61. Quest Of what service are the Scriptures as they are given forth and recorded without Ans Much every way saith he and there is an Agreement and Vnion between the Spirit within and the words without Observe here how this wise Man confounds himself The Scriptures by his account are altogether Uncertain and suspicious at least of being corrupted and yet there is an agreement and union between the Scriptures as recorded without the Spirit within How does he here render the Spirit Uncertain One may see by this that a man who writes much had need have a good Memory or a stable Faith Again something like this is that late Confession of G. W. in his Counter Convert p 26. We prefer the holy Scriptures saith he before all the Books extant in the World Now observe here how G. W. carries a double face to deceive his Reader for he does not say that he prefers the Book called the Bible before all Books extant no for then he would contradict their Old Books for the Scriptures in the Bible they esteem Uncertain as above And their former Doctrine shews plainly what those holy Scriptures be which they prefer for in Truths Defence p. 2. 104. they say You might as well have condemned the Scriptures to the fire as our Papers and Querys for our giving forth Papers or printed Books it is from the immediate and eternal Spirit of God Hence it appears that those holy Scriptures which they prefer are their own Books and so much or such parts of the Bible as they will allow to remain uncorrupted c. And thus this insincere G. Whitehead hides himself by a deceivible meaning as is more plain by what he says in his antient Book called Truth defending p 7. That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any says G. W. is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and GREATER c. Now let the Reader judge what those holy Scriptues are that they prefer before all Booke ex●a●●n the Word And as to what parts of the 〈◊〉 they 〈◊〉 allow to be holy Scriptures h●a● 〈…〉 so h●ad says in Refuge fixed p. 17. viz. Whether Mo● 〈◊〉 H●●mis were the first Pen-man of the Scriptures or whether both these and not one And whether some words were not spoken by the grand Imposter some by Wicked Men some by Wise Men ill applyed some by good Men in expressed some by false Prophets and yet true some by true Prophets and yet false c. Now Reader do but compare this with what W. Penn says before and then if my old Friends for time to come should object and say There are seeming Contradictions in the Scriptures or Bible and therefore well may our Friends Books seem to contradict each other Pray let them know that there are not only seeming but real Contradictions in their Books but not in the Bible And as to any seeming Contradictions that may be in the Bible they themselves as above have given the reasons why 't is so viz. having been corrupted but their Books cannot be corrupted because we have the first Impression of them which they say are given forth from the Immediate and Eternal Spirit of God and so must reeds be better and more certain Scripture than the Bible a●c●●●ng to their own Doctrine Now as to the Titl●s they give to the Scriptures take a little more of their Clink Clank as W. P. says of the Priests for in a Book of G W 's call'd