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jewish_a law_n for_o to_o distinguish_v in_o like_a sort_n those_o which_o be_v corporal_o spring_v from_o abraham_n &_o to_o discern_v they_o from_o other_o nation_n the_o other_o spiritual_a imperavit_fw-la say_v joseph_n ahae_n ut_fw-la genitalia_fw-la circumcideret_fw-la voluit_fw-la enim_fw-la deus_fw-la ut_fw-la genus_fw-la eius_fw-la non_fw-la permisceretur_fw-la alijs_fw-la gentibus_fw-la and_o for_o this_o cause_n all_o the_o time_n they_o be_v in_o the_o wilderness_n those_o that_o be_v bear_v be_v not_o circumcise_v because_o they_o be_v not_o mingle_v with_o other_o nation_n as_o s._n hierom_n &_o damascen_n do_v observe_v whereas_o baptism_n have_v but_o one_o only_a use_n which_o be_v spiritual_a the_o bare_a circumstance_n of_o circumcision_n conclude_v nothing_o that_o have_v any_o necessary_a consequence_n for_o baptism_n d._n tillenus_n his_o answer_n we_o do_v not_o reason_n of_o the_o bare_a circumstance_n of_o circumcision_n but_o of_o the_o substance_n for_o we_o leave_v to_o the_o child_n of_o the_o lewes_z that_o which_o it_o temporal_o figure_v unto_o they_o but_o see_v it_o have_v also_o towards_o they_o a_o spiritual_a use_n which_o be_v the_o very_a substance_n of_o this_o sacrament_n wherefore_o shall_v we_o deprive_v thereof_o the_o child_n of_o christian_n see_v that_o jesus_n christ_n come_v not_o into_o the_o world_n to_o diminish_v the_o spiritual_a blessing_n but_o to_o increase_v &_o fulfil_v they_o if_o du_fw-fr perron_n think_v the_o intermission_n of_o circumcision_n in_o the_o wilderness_n be_v not_o a_o transgression_n of_o the_o law_n of_o god_n he_o be_v deceive_v â—_o josh_n 5._o â—_o for_o after_o that_o joshuah_n have_v circumcise_v the_o israelite_n in_o gilgall_n he_o say_v he_o have_v take_v away_o from_o they_o the_o shame_n of_o egypt_n meaning_n thereby_o that_o through_o contempt_n of_o god_n covenant_n they_o be_v unworthy_a thereof_o have_v show_v by_o this_o their_o negligence_n that_o their_o heart_n be_v still_o in_o egypt_n whither_o they_o will_v fain_o have_v return_v 1_o num_fw-la 1_o the_o b._n of_o eureux_fw-fr three_o circumcision_n leave_v a_o perpetual_a mark_n in_o the_o flesh_n which_o be_v always_o a_o sensible_a token_n to_o he_o that_o have_v receive_v it_o that_o he_o have_v be_v circumcise_v whereas_o baptism_n leave_v not_o any_o sensible_a mark_n save_v in_o the_o knowledge_n and_o memory_n of_o he_o that_o be_v baptize_v and_o therefore_o baptism_n seem_v to_o require_v a_o age_n capable_a of_o knowledge_n and_o memory_n d._n tillenus_n his_o answer_n see_v baptism_n bring_v the_o same_o spiritual_a fruit_n to_o the_o child_n of_o christian_n that_o circumcision_n bring_v to_o the_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n as_o have_v be_v show_v this_o consideration_n of_o a_o corporal_a mark_n be_v frivolous_a the_o circumcise_a child_n can_v no_o more_o know_v nor_o remember_v how_o and_o wherefore_o his_o foreskin_n be_v cut_v off_o than_o the_o christian_a child_n his_o baptism_n and_o therefore_o both_o the_o one_o &_o the_o other_o must_v be_v instruct_v when_o he_o be_v capable_a thereof_o in_o abraham_n who_o be_v adopt_v into_o the_o covenant_n in_o a_o perfect_a age_n knowledge_n instruction_n and_o faith_n go_v before_o the_o sacrament_n but_o in_o isaac_n bear_v in_o the_o covenant_n the_o sacrament_n go_v before_o knowledge_n because_o according_a to_o the_o promise_n he_o be_v repute_v the_o child_n of_o god_n from_o his_o mother_n womb_n so_o we_o do_v not_o confer_v baptism_n to_o the_o child_n of_o a_o jew_n or_o a_o pagan_a &_o we_o blame_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o commit_v this_o abuse_n prostitute_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n to_o those_o that_o be_v not_o comprehend_v therein_o not_o stay_v till_o they_o may_v enter_v into_o it_o by_o knowledge_n &_o faith_n which_o be_v as_o great_a a_o mockery_n as_o to_o set_v a_o seal_n to_o a_o paper_n wherein_o there_o be_v nothing_o write_v the_o b._n of_o eureux_fw-fr 4._o in_o circumcision_n there_o be_v but_o one_o material_a sign_n without_o the_o word_n whereas_o in_o baptism_n aswell_o the_o element_n as_o the_o word_n be_v of_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o sacrament_n tolle_o aquam_fw-la say_v s._n aug_n non_fw-la est_fw-la baptismus_fw-la tolle_fw-la verbum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la baptismus_fw-la it_o seem_v that_o he_o that_o be_v baptize_v and_o to_o who_o the_o word_n of_o baptism_n be_v direct_v must_v be_v capable_a not_o only_o of_o the_o elementary_a sign_n but_o also_o of_o the_o word_n which_o be_v not_o requisite_a in_o circumcision_n d._n tillenus_n his_o answer_n his_o four_o reason_n be_v as_o false_a as_o the_o former_a be_v vain_a for_o if_o there_o be_v not_o the_o word_n also_o in_o circumcision_n then_o be_v it_o not_o a_o sacrament_n and_o how_o shall_v it_o have_v be_v institute_v of_o god_n without_o the_o word_n 17.11_o 17.11_o the_o promise_n that_o god_n add_v in_o the_o institution_n of_o it_o say_v you_o shall_v circumcise_v the_o foreskin_n of_o your_o flesh_n and_o it_o shall_v be_v a_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n between_o i_o and_o you_o this_o be_v a_o word_n as_o express_o write_v as_o that_o which_o the_o institution_n of_o baptism_n contain_v 8.19_o 8.19_o baptise_v all_o nation_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o son_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n he_o which_o say_v tolle_fw-la verbum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la baptismus_fw-la take_v away_o the_o word_n it_o be_v no_o baptism_n say_v also_o accedat_fw-la verbum_fw-la ad_fw-la elementum_fw-la &_o fiat_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la add_v the_o word_n to_o the_o element_n and_o it_o become_v a_o sacrament_n as_o in_o baptism_n the_o pronunciation_n of_o the_o sacramental_a word_n be_v ground_v on_o the_o institution_n of_o jesus_n christ_n so_o circumcision_n be_v not_o to_o be_v administer_v without_o speak_v of_o the_o use_n and_o efficacy_n of_o the_o same_o as_o appeareth_z by_o the_o example_n of_o joshuah_n above_o 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the_o eucharist_n but_o only_o spiritual_o inasmuch_o as_o we_o eat_v it_o with_o contrition_n and_o bitterness_n for_o our_o fault_n and_o as_o pilgrim_n and_o passenger_n in_o this_o world_n journey_v into_o another_o life_n so_o the_o temporal_a infancy_n to_o which_o circumcision_n be_v apply_v may_v have_v his_o correspondency_n to_o baptism_n only_o in_o the_o spiritual_a infancy_n by_o which_o we_o must_v become_v child_n for_o to_o be_v baptize_v according_a to_o the_o say_n of_o our_o saviour_n if_o you_o become_v not_o as_o little_a child_n you_o shall_v not_o enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o therefore_o to_o those_o that_o be_v already_o hoary_a with_o olld_a age_n they_o do_v not_o stick_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o give_v honey_n and_o milk_n to_o eat_v ad_fw-la significandum_fw-la infantiam_fw-la say_v s._n hierom._n by_o which_o mean_v the_o argument_n will_v hold_v good_a to_o conclude_v thus_o circumcision_n be_v give_v to_o those_o which_o 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he_o now_o we_o
baptism_n do_v sin_n against_o the_o same_o article_n whence_o i_o thus_o conclude_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o donatist_n which_o be_v heretical_a can_v not_o be_v confute_v by_o the_o scripture_n alone_o and_o without_o the_o help_n of_o the_o apostolic_a tradition_n for_o to_o confute_v all_o heresy_n and_o by_o consequent_a it_o contain_v not_o alone_o sufficient_o all_o the_o principle_n of_o doctrine_n necessary_a to_o divinity_n and_o christian_a religion_n d_o tillenus_n his_o answer_n let_v we_o see_v if_o sainte_n augustine_n in_o those_o ten_o year_n that_o he_o handle_v his_o question_n against_o the_o donatist_n can_v not_o find_v any_o actual_a proof_n in_o the_o scripture_n upon_o this_o point_n as_o du_n perron_n say_v 7._o lib._n 1._o â—_o count_v 7._o i_o think_v he_o promise_v very_o certain_a proof_n when_o he_o say_v ne_o videar_fw-la humanis_fw-la argumentis_fw-la agere_fw-la ex_fw-la euangelio_fw-la profero_fw-la certa_fw-la documenta_fw-la &c_n &c_n lest_o i_o shall_v seem_v to_o discourse_v with_o human_a reason_n 1_o lib._n 2._o the_o bap_n count_n don._n c._n 1_o i_o will_v allege_v sure_a proof_n out_o of_o the_o gospel_n etc._n etc._n and_o in_o a_o other_o place_n quid_fw-la sit_fw-la perniciosius_fw-la utrum_fw-la non_fw-la baptizari_fw-la a_fw-fr rebaptizari_fw-la iudicare_fw-la difficile_fw-la est_fw-la verumtamen_fw-la recurrens_fw-la ad_fw-la illam_fw-la stateram_fw-la dominicam_fw-la ubi_fw-la non_fw-la ex_fw-la humano_fw-la sensu_fw-la sed_fw-la ex_fw-la authoritate_fw-la divina_fw-la rerum_fw-la momenta_fw-la pensantur_fw-la inveniode_n utraque_fw-la re_fw-la domini_fw-la sententiam_fw-la qui_fw-la lotus_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la habet_fw-la necessitatem_fw-la iterum_fw-la lavandi_fw-la &c_n &c_n it_o be_v a_o hard_a thing_n to_o judge_v whether_o be_v more_o dangerous_a not_o to_o be_v baptize_v or_o to_o be_v baptize_v again_o yet_o have_v recourse_n unto_o that_o balance_n of_o the_o lord_n where_o not_o of_o human_a sense_n but_o of_o divine_a authority_n the_o vallews_n of_o thing_n be_v weigh_v i_o find_v of_o both_o matter_n the_o lord_n sentence_n he_o that_o be_v wash_v have_v no_o need_n to_o be_v wash_v again_o etc._n etc._n and_o in_o another_o place_n have_v say_v that_o this_o custom_n come_v of_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n not_o mean_v that_o it_o want_v his_o proof_n in_o scripture_n he_o add_v 2_o lic_n 5_o the_o cont_n don_n c._n 2_o contra_fw-la mandatum_fw-la dei_fw-la esse_fw-la quod_fw-la venientes_fw-la ab_fw-la hereticis_fw-la si_fw-la iam_fw-la illi_fw-la baptismum_fw-la christi_fw-la acceperunt_fw-la baptizantur_fw-la quia_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la sanctarum_fw-la testimoniis_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la ostenditur_fw-la sed_fw-la plane_n ostenditur_fw-la that_o it_o be_v against_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n that_o such_o as_o come_v from_o heretic_n shall_v be_v baptize_v if_o they_o have_v already_o receve_v there_o the_o baptism_n of_o christ_n because_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o holy_a scripture_n it_o be_v not_o only_o show_v but_o plain_o show_v these_o place_n &_o other_o of_o this_o father_n do_v show_v the_o audaciousnes_n of_o du_fw-fr perron_n in_o his_o affirmation_n and_o his_o sincerity_n in_o his_o allegation_n as_o for_o the_o place_n he_o bring_v out_o of_o the_o same_o father_n to_o prove_v that_o he_o acknowledge_v the_o imperfection_n of_o the_o scriptu_fw-la e_fw-la concern_v this_o point_n he_o confound_v the_o question_n of_o act_n example_n or_o practice_n with_o the_o question_n of_o law_n or_o ordinance_n s_o augustine_n say_v in_o this_o matter_n there_o can_v be_v none_o example_n of_o scripture_n allege_v that_o be_v it_o can_v be_v find_v there_o that_o it_o be_v so_o practise_v &_o therefore_o he_o referrd_v the_o custon_n or_o practice_n hereof_o to_o apostolic_a tradition_n but_o that_o it_o ought_v so_o to_o be_v practise_v he_o affirm_v that_o not_o only_o the_o scripture_n show_v it_o but_o that_o it_o show_v it_o manifest_o whence_o i_o conclude_v against_o the_o bishop_n conclusion_n on_o this_o second_o point_n the_o doctrine_n that_o evident_o show_v what_o be_v to_o be_v do_v in_o all_o matter_n concern_v faith_n &_o which_o confute_v the_o heresy_n that_o repugn_v the_o same_o be_v perfect_a but_o the_o scripture_n contain_v this_o doctrine_n therefore_o it_o be_v perfect_a the_o assumption_n be_v prove_v not_o only_o by_o the_o scripture_n but_o also_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n by_o who_o he_o pretend_v to_o prove_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n i_o will_v earnest_o desire_v of_o he_o clear_a &_o direct_a answer_n to_o that_o place_n of_o augustine_n above_o allege_v out_o of_o his_o second_o book_n 9_o chapter_n de_fw-fr doctrina_fw-la christiana_n for_o in_o the_o verbal_a conference_n he_o will_v give_v no_o answer_n thereunto_o but_o on_o condition_n that_o i_o will_v protest_v to_o forsake_v the_o scripture_n and_o not_o to_o reason_v any_o 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