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A91797 Some briefe considerations on Doctor Featley his book, intituled, The dipper dipt, wherein in some measure is discovered his many great and false accusations of divers persons, commonly called Anabaptists, with an answer to them, and some brief reasons of their practice. In seven sections, viz. I. Dr. Featley his secret and haynous accusing the honourable Parliament. II. That he is guilty of greater errors, than to go into the water to be dipt. ... VI. Some reasons alledged against infants being baptized. A question proposed to consideration, that if it be an error to be baptized again, whether the punishment, some would have inflicted upon them, and some have suffered, be not too great? VII. How many sorts of Anabaptists he saith there are, and what they hold. Whereunto is added, what is conceived the Doctors mysticall frontispiece may more properly declare. / By Samuel Richardson. Richardson, Samuel, fl. 1643-1658. 1645 (1645) Wing R1414; Thomason E270_22; ESTC R212288 20,332 22

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freely confesse it and I perceive the Doctor hath skill in one tongue that will never doe him good and I desire to be ignorant of it but one may wonder that he so much inveyeth against illiterate men seeing he saith in p. 200. that God in the first planting of the Gospel made use of illiterat men that all may know that he that planteth and he that watereth is nothing and further saith p. 14. I confesse we read of one Fumentius a lay-man who in his travels converted many to the Christian Faith and Dr. Fulk confesseth in his Confutation of the Rhemist Testament of a woman that converted a great many of them who lived in the Island to which place she was carried captive But Dr. Featley saith the learnedst men have proved the worthiest Instruments bravely spoken 2 Cor. 10. 17 18. the summe is therefore now all illiterate men must for ever hold their peace at least in England and in case any travell into any Island where there are some unconverted if there be no Doctors there illiterate men may see what God will do by them But the Doctor chargeth the Anabaptists p. 10. to be uncertain of their grounds because sometimes they plead one thing and sometimes another Answ. No variety of grounds and reasons against a thing may arise from the clear discovery of the truth to them and from fulnesse of perswasion in the judgement as illiterate men conceive But saith the Doctor in his Epistle the Separation and Anabaptists upbraid the State with their merit in hazarding their lives and estates in these present wars Answ. No such matter they do but only declare their loyalty to the State being urged to it by some who falsly accuse them to be enemies to the State and I conceive they accuse them to be enemies out of a desire that they be lesse friends to it and some conceive the Doctor and such as he is seek the destruction of the State in seeking to deprive the State of the help of many who are faithfull and loyall to it But saith he Anabaptisme was condemned long since by the Greek and Latine Churches mark how the Doctor bears himself upon humane authority then it seems you cannot say it is condemned by Jesus Christ in his Word but the Doctor confesseth that generall Councels have sometimes most grossely mistaken error for truth and Idolatry for true Religion p. 92. then it 's no wonder if the Doctor erre with his Greek and Latine Church and seeing the Doctor affirms that the example of Christ and his Apostles doth not bind us without a precept p. 37 38. with what reason or conscience doth he urge against us yea and against Christs command his Greek and Latine Churches without a precept doth he not set them herein above Christ himself The Papists pretend antiquity and brag of their universality against the truth Wee know error is ancient and spreading but truth was before error and baptizing by dipping was before baptizing by sprinkling he may name to us as many men as he pleaseth but hee must tell us where it is so written in the Scriptures so as we may reade it before we shall believe them Luke 10. 26. But the Doctor chargeth us in his book with many things that we hold That no malefactor ought to be put to death That it is lawfull to have more wives then one at once That a man may put away his wife if shee differ from him in point of religion That we are to goe naked and not be ashamed That we hold it lawfull to slay wicked Magistrates That no Christian may goe to law but right himselfe by violent means That wicked men have no propriety in their goods but all things ought to be held in common That we maintain pretended Revelations That Christ took not flesh of the virgin Mary That there is no originall sinne That men have free will in spirituall actions That election is for foreseen faith and repentance That God gives all men sufficient grace to be saved That a man hath free will of himself to accept or refuse grace That Christ died indifferently alike for all That a true beleever may fall away from grace totally and finally And that wee hold Libertinisme Familisme and such like stuffe which we utterly abhorre and detest and if God permit wee shall in the next impression of the Confession of our Faith more fully declare jointly what we believe and therefore I will not answer his exceptions which he makes at some of the Articles but leave it to them to answer for themselves which will be ere long if God permit but sure I am all this poyson which he chargeth upon us is drawn out of the impure fountaine of divers Heretikes in which he laboureth to drown us in and I wonder how his conscience would permit him to heave so many untruths into the Presse but as Christ saith Iohn 16. 2. and he was encouraged by Sleiden Gabriel Abres Alstedius and others oh me thinkes I heare the Presse grone if not sweat under the burden of so many heavie charges and sure his grones will be much greater when God opens his eyes and shews him what he hath done which the Lord in mercy doe if it be his will I hope I may say as Christ did Father forgive him for he knowes not what he hath done Matth. 5. 44. ●1 12. Sect. IV. Whererin appeares in the Doctors disputation his subtilty and pride AFter he had condemned the point in question for an error the Doctor saith I could wish you had brought Scholars with you who know how to dispute which I perceive you cannot do Answ. Observe how before he disputes hee vilifies the point in question and those that maintain it But saith the Doctor there are but two wayes of disputing first by authority secondly by reason First by authority if you will dispute in Divinity you must be able to produce the Scriptures in the originall language Answ. But why may you not as well say none can dispute in divinity unlesse they can produce the same copy of the Scriptures which the Apostles wrote and seeing you cannot do that you are not fit to dispute your self for saith hee in translations there may be and are errors for no translation is are simply authenticall and the undoubted Word of God We may say the same of your Hebrew and Greek copies seeing you cannot produce the first copy how know you but your copies are written and printed false see pag. 109. Can no Writer if he pleaseth write contrary to his copy as for printing I may say the same printing is not above 250. yeers standing Dr. Fulk in confutation of the Rhemist Testament justifieth the English translation of the Bible and you have the same reason to doubt of the writing or printing of your copy as wee of our translation and if you may depend upon the Writer or Printer of your copies why may not we do the same
of our Translators they doing it upon oath but truth must not be taken by tradition and if the knowledge of Hebrew Greek c. be sufficient to teach them the minde of the Spirit of God then all that know the tongues must of necessity know the minde of God in the Scriptures and if so Apollo being a learned man and saw the first copy of the Bible should not need to learn of Aquila a tradeseman one of the Laity and Priscilla his wife the Word of God more perfectly as he did Acts 18. 26. And what is the reason you agree not among your selves about the minde of the Spirit of God in his Word so that some of you in your Expositions differ as much as light and darknesse and if our translation be true then we may know the meaning thereof as well as you and if it be not true tell mee what is that preaching worth which is proved by a false translation And if we must believe contrary to our translation because you that know the originall say so what is this but an implicit faith so human And seeing you so differ among your selves about the meaning of the Spirit of God in them tel me how I shal know which of you I am to believe also some who know the originall affirm some one word will bear 7 or 10 divers significations how do you know which of them is intended by God unlesse hee reveale it to you and if he please hee can reveale it to illiterate men God hath hid that from the wise which he hath revealed unto babes God saith the naturall man cannot perceive the things that be of God though he be learned surely no man can know the things of God but he to whom the Spirit will reveale them unto The Word saith hee revealeth to us the deep things of God by his Spirit 1 Cor. 2. 10. he doth not say by Greek and Hebrew c. But it will be objected Cannot learned men understand the Scriptures as well as illiterate Asses as the Doctor calls tradesmen I answer yes both alike not at all of themselves But are there other means and helps to the understanding the Scriptures without Greek and Hebrew yes only the self-evidencing light of the Spirit of God which first inspired the Pen-men of Scriptures is in the hearts of the Saints the only Interpreter of the Scriptures Secondly the knowledge of the body of Divinity or the Analogie of the faith to which the Scripture is to be referred for its right interpretation Thirdly the Law of God written in the hearts of the Lords which savoureth the truth and disrelisheth errorr Fourthly help to the understanding the Scriptures is the manifold experiences of varieties of temptations and the experiences of the work of Grace in the soul Lastly to compare Scriptures that are dark with Scriptures of the same nature that are more plain and so to let the Scriptures expound themselves I conclude this all men are pur-blind yea dead till God gives life and opens mens eyes And although humane learning is necessary for translating the Scriptures c. yet many Idolize it as the children of Israel did their golden Calf the issue of the conference as he saith p. 18. was that they were not able to withstand the truth it seems he was hee saith the Knights and Ladies thanked him but he cannot say he did deserve it and he saith the Anabaptists went away discontented and grieved Answ. It seems they were very sorrowfull to see his great blindnesse and hardnesse of heart and he saith none of them ever after that troubled him any more it seems they could do him no good and so they resolved to leave him to God till he shall please to open his eyes Luke 11. 25 26. Sect. 5. That Doctor Featley justifieth dipping in Rivers to be a lawfull manner of baptizing in which he justifieth the practice of the Anabaptists in their manner of baptizing DOctor Featley in p. 33. 71. 223. 224. saith Whatsoever is alledged for dipping we approve of I grant that Christ and the Eunuch were baptized in the river Matth. 3. 16. Acts 8. 38. John 3. 23. And the Church of England approves of dipping and that such baptizing of men hath been and is and may lawfully be used yea and is fit to be used in warm seasons and the word Baptizo sometimes signifies to dip Answ. Now you justifie our practice for we doe no more in warm seasons and as for those that chuse cold seasons to be baptized in doe they not suffer sufficiently for that falt I beleeve you would judge so if the case were yours though your Epistle declares the contrary and pag. 70. I conceive he should have declared to us when the times are the word signifieth dipping or what Scriptures they be that will beare that signification Also it is worth the observing that baptizing of beleevers in rivere by dipping is so clearly expressed in the Scriptures that the enemies to it are forced to confesse it and may not one wonder how hee durst condemne any for doing of that which he confesses the Scriptures approve of but I leave him to consider Rom. 14. 22. Sect. 6. Some Reasons alledged against Infants being baptized WE contend for the perfection of the last will testament of our Lord Saviour Jesus Christ that it is as perfect to direct in the administrations of the ordinances therof as the old Testament was to direct in the administrations of the ordinances therof in wch was expressed first who was to administer circumcision Gen. 17. 9 11. 21. 4. Secondly who should be circumcised every male child born in the house or bought with mony Gen. 17. 10. 12. 13. Thirdly the time when he that is eight dayes old shall bee circumcised c. Gen. 17. 12. Fourthly the place of circumcision ye shall circumcise the flesh of your fore-skins Gen. 17. 11. Fifthly the manner which was to bee cut But if Infants are to be baptized because they are the subjects of baptisme then if the new Testament doe not expresly command infants to be baptized the time when they are to be baptized and by whom they are to be baptized and the manner how they are to be baptized but if the new Testament expresseth any of these things with the manner of sprinkling the place where they are to bee sprinkled we desire they would shew it us wch they confesse they cannot it followes by their doctrine the new Testament gives us not as expresse direction in the administration of the ordinances thereof as the old Testament did for the ordinances thereof and so the new Testament to come short of the old But the new Testament expresly commands who shall baptize Matth. 28. 19. Goe yee teach and baptize Secondly the persons who are to be baptized such as repent and beleeve and confesse their sinnes and professe their faith both male and female Make Disciples baptizing them Matth. 28.