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A20475	A quartron of reasons, composed by Doctor Hill, vnquartered, and prooued a quartron of follies: by Francis Dillingham, Bachelour of Diuinitie. August, in Senten ...	Dillingham, Francis, d. 1625.	1603 (1603)	STC 6889; ESTC S118442	90,324	122

booke of his Confessions shall finde that he did beleeue the Scriptures for themselues In his 14. chap. of the booke cited by the Doctor he writeth thus Quid putas faciendum nisi vt eos relinquamus qui nos invitant certa cognoscere postea imperant vt incerta credamus eos sequamur qui nos invitant prius credere quod nondum valemus intueri vt ipsa side valentiore facti quod credimus intelligere mereamur non iam hominibus sed ipso Deo intrinsecus mentem nostram firmante atque illuminante what haue we to doe but to forsake them that inuite vs to know certaine things and afterwards command vs to beleeue vncertaine things and to follow thē which inuite vs first to beleeue that which yet we are not able to behold that beeing made stronger through faith we may attaine to vnderstand that we beleeue now not men but God himselfe confirming and lightning our minde inwardly The spirit of God therefore must cause vs to beleeue otherwise we shall wauer and stagger To conclude this point many borne in heresie and schisme haue bin mooued by heretikes to beleeue the Scriptures is heresie therfore equal to the scriptures nothing lesse The three Creedes we receiue because the doctrine is contained in the scriptures but you doe not receiue Athanasius his Creede for he maketh but two places vitam aeternam ignem aeternum Omnes homines resurgent cum corporibus suis reddituri sunt de factis preprijs rationem qui benè egerunt ibunt in vitam aeternam qui verò malè in ignem aeternum All men shall rise with their owne bodies and shall giue an account of their deedes and they which haue done well shall goe into life euerlasting they which haue done euill into euerlasting fire You teach that Infants vnbaptized shall be in a brimme of hell and not in the fire of hell Thus if you had bin wise M. Doctor you would haue bin silent concerning these Creeds If I should shew your contrarieties to the Apostles creed I should be ouerlong That the holy Ghost doth proceede from the Father and the Sonne Lib. 2. de Christ cap. 22. Bellarmine prooueth plentifully out of the Scriptures What an ignorant Doctor is this that cannot see this mysterie prooued in holy Scripture Touching the tearmes as person Trinitie consubstantiall Sacraments what if they be not in Scriptures the heauenly doctrine signified by the words is contained in scriptures If these wordes were necessarie to saluation then men were damned before they were inuented which I thinke the Doctor will not grant for many beleeued the things although the names were not extant Augustine calleth the bookes of Tobie and other Canonical because they were read to edification for I hope you will not oppose his authoritie to so many Fathers as I haue before produced In the place by you cited he will haue those books which are receiued of all Churches preferred before those which some Churches receiue not hence it is manifest that he maketh not all of equall authoritie Lib. 2 con gaud cap. 23. Elswhere he will haue the bookes of Machabees read so it be non inutiliter sobriè not vnprofitably and soberly Why doth he giue this caution to these bookes if they were of like authoritie And in his booke de praed Sanct. c. 14. he confesseth when he did produce a testimonie out of the booke of Wisdome that the brethren did reiect it there he contendeth not much for it If it had bin Canonicall he should not haue so remissely pleaded for it Thus it appeareth why he calleth these books canonical Where you say that no heretike can charge the Church with adding or diminishing one iot from the Scriptures we must admire Gods prouidence and his loue towards his church he preserueth the Scriptures though men would take thē out of the world But if you meane that the church of Rome hath not altered the holy Scriptures you must know that the Papists hold the Hebrew and the Greeke text to be corrupt and haue established a Latin translation differing farre from the Hebrew and Greeke and is not this to alter the scriptures If I should shew the corruptions of that trāslation I should be very tedious I will name one in the 1. of the Hebr. it is said Christ hath purged our sinnes by himselfe these words by himselfe are cleane stricken out of their Rhemists translation what an intollerable corruption is this But I will conclude the matter in a syllogisme They which establish a corrupt translation alter the scriptures or at least a iot of the same But the Papist establish a corrupt translation Ergo. And indeede I cannot sufficiently wonder at them who establish their Latine translation eo nomine because it is Hieroms and yet will not allow his translations of the Psalmes what dealing with the Scriptures is this he hath corrected that translation of the Psalmes which they vse and yet they haue defied it You further demand why we should trust the Church of Rome rather in this then in other things I answer first that as I haue prooued we trust not the Church of Rome but the scriptures themselues secondly it is a ridiculous consequent We beleeue the church of Rome in this point ergo we must doe so in all other To make your follie manifest vnto you selfe M. D. you beleeue the church of England in some points will you doe so in all I would it were so That we haue had nothing to doe with the Bible for a thousand yeares and that we haue robbed the Church of many bookes are detestable vntruths But I pray you Syr were not the scriptures preserued in the Greeke church as well as in the Romish church did not the Iewes keepe the scriptures and yet to vse your phrase our Sauiour wrested thē out of their hands not as iust but as vniust possessours of them The Pharisies might haue vsed the same speech to our Sauiour Christ that the Doctor doth to vs. He hath three other questions in this chapter The first is how we relying onely vpon scripture can shew certainly which bookes be scripture and which not This question I haue at large answered in this chapter and therefore I will not repeat my answer Secondly he would know of the vnlearned Protestant how he knoweth the translations to be true I answer that it is not necessarie to know euery thing to be truly translated The spirit of God speaking in the scriptures certifieth the conscience of the vnlearned that the scriptures in the English tongue are the scriptures The third question it why we beleeue our owne iudgements rather the Luthers or Calvins I answer we beleeue their iudgements that bring best proofes out of Scriptures But M. Doctor because you haue posed vs with so many questions now I will pose you with one likewise Why doe you receiue your latin translation rather vpon this Popes authoritie

of Papists it may not be tollerated for why may they not as well be called Petrians and therefore I say with Nazianzen 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In dic Christs I will not be named of men beeing borne of God In Psal 44. and with Augustine Sumus Christiani non Petriani we are Christians not Petrians I cannot let passe his ignorance in saying that all heretikes haue alwaies taken their names of some one who began that heresie For not to take exception against his speach by the first authors of heresie as Nestorius Pelagius euery meane diuine knoweth that many heretikes haue their names of their heresie not of their author as Apostolici Cathari and others If the Lutherans haue changed the word Catholike in the Creede draw your penne against them and not against the church of England But it is a perilous matter for some of our translations to say for an heretike a man that is the author of sects His owne men so translate the word heresie Act. 24. chap. 28. chap. A great matter to english a greeke word Thankes be to God that you haue no other cauills against our translations I hope such pelting will driue men from Poperie Your saying out of Hierome galleth your selues and prooueth you to be sectaries as beeing named Dominicans Franciscans Iesuits and with diuers other names Therfore please not your selues any longer with a bare name without the subiect matter for that is like a pearle in the snowt of a swine The 3. reason vnitie and consent Hauing answered two of the Doctors reasons I come to handle the third in which he vaunteth of vnitie after this manner The Catholike religion hath varietie of doctrine with diuersitie of manners yet euer kept vnitie in such a peaceable manner as neuer any disagreed in any point of doctrine Blush M. Doctor at this notorious vntruth I haue in my disswasiue from Poperie gathered 20. contradictions betwixt Papists in matters of faith and to giue you a tast of your vnitie I will set downe your harmonie about Antichrist Some Papists hold Mahomet to be Antichrist Bellarmine in his 3. booke de Rom. Pont. cap. 3. This is denied by other because say they Antichrist shall be one singular man Secondly some Papists teach that Antichrist shall arise of the tribe of Dan cap. 11. yet Bellarmine confesseth that this opinion is not certaine because no scripture conuinceth it Thirdly the Papists teach that Antichrist shall raigne but three yeares and an halfe yet Hentenius confuteth this opinion Fourthly some Papists teach that Antichrist shall vtterly extinguish the faith as I prooued before Bellarmine denieth this not without cause Fifthly the Rhemists say that it may well be that Antichrist shall sit at Rome Bellarmine will haue him to sit at Ierusalem I will not follow any more contradictions about this opinion but come to their vnitie in Idolatrie Catharine affirmeth the commandement which concerneth Images to be temporall and positiue is not this goodly diuinitie others denie it Caietan confoundeth an Idol and an Image Bellarmine cannot beare this doctrine Aquinas will haue the crosse of Christ to be worshipped with diuine honour others renounce Aquinas in this point Alphonsus de Castro counteth Serenus and Epiphanius enemies to Images Bellarmine confuteth Alphonsus his opinion Abulensis and Peresius teach that Images of God are not to be made Bellarmine like an Idolater alloweth Images of God himselfe Augustine speaketh plainly against this diuelish diuinitie Nulla Imago Dei coli debet nisi illa quae hoc est quod ipse nec ipsa pro illo Epist 1●9 sed cum illo No image of God must be worshipped but that which is God and that not for God but with God By these contrarieties euery man may see the popish harmonie Now I reduce the Argument into a syllogisme Where vnitie is there is the Church But the Papists haue vnitie Ergo. The proposition and assumption are both false and whereas he would prooue the proposition out of the 4. of the Acts and 17. of S. Iohn we must know that an vnitie in true doctrine is there commended and praied for Si vultis saith Augustine vivere de spiritu sancto c ●6 serm de temp tenete charitatem amate veritatem desiderate vnitatem vt perveniatis ad aeternitatem If you will liue according to the holy spirit then imbrace loue make much of truth and desire vnitie that you may come to eternitie Vnitie therefore in veritie must bring vs to eternitie But in sadnes is there no Church where there are dissentions ● book tripar hist 12. chap. Themistius wrote to Valens that he should not be cruell to Christians for difference in Ecclesiasticall opinions for amongst the Pagans there were more then three hundred sects Will you M. Doctor cut off the Church of Corinth from the bodie of the Church because of dissentions What shall become of Paul and Barnabas Cyprian and Cornelius Epiphanius and Chrysostome with diuers others And to stay thy minde Christian Reader touching this point of dissentions I desire thee first to consider that all men haue not the same measure of the spirit and therefore there must needes be contentions God his gifts are diuers to one man he giueth greater knowledge then to another therefore Paul saith when perfection of knowledge commeth there shall be an vnitie in opinions which is not to be looked for in this vale of miserie Secondly vaine-glorie the mother of mischieuous contentions is not wholly driuen out of men that liue in the Church I would to God it were for then many broyles would haue an ende Maruell not then gentle Reader though there be varietie of opinions I might inlarge these reasons and annex moe but I desire breuitie The Doctor here to amplifie our diuisions without all conscience chargeth vs with the heresies of Anabaptists Adamites Striblerians and many other which we condemne to the pit of hell But for a testimonie of our vnitie let our heauenly harmonie of Confessions be read in which a man may see our consent to be greater then the Papists would wish The scornefull name of Parlimentarie religion I leaue to God to reuenge if Queene Marie might receiue the Pope by Parliament why might not Queene Elizabeth doe as much for Christ And thus I retort the argument Where there are diuisions there is no Church But amongst Papists are diuisions Ergo. In the ende of this reason he concludeth with a manifest vntruth saying that all decrees of lawfull Councells and of Popes doe agree in points of doctrine one with another Good God! what dare not this man affirme I passe by Councells and come to Popes Pope Nicholas auoucheth that Baptisme may be giuen and ministred onely in the name of Christ which is a false opinion as Bellarmine himselfe confesseth Pope Pelagius contrariwise decreed that it ought to be ministred in the name of the blessed Trinitie Aquinas 3. par quaest 66. art 6. In