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A51993 An account of the unjust proceedings, in some matters of difference, between Mr. Williams Collins and Isaac Marlow; by several persons who pretend upon plain evidence, to acquit the one, and to give their judgement against the other. Marlow, Isaac. 1697 (1697) Wing M691B; ESTC R221478 13,081 29

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that in my last Book I published they affirm that I said it 's a contrived Lye of Mr. Collins so to charge me that I answered nothing for my self And they farther say That upon Examination of this Matter some of the Elders who were present at the Assembly do very well remember that Mr. Marlow answered nothing to the Charge of Mr. Collins And whereas Mr. Collins exprest himself modestly that to the best of his Remembrance Mr. Marlow made no defence From all which say they we conclude it 's very injurious and unjust for Mr. Marlow to accuse Mr. Collins of a contrived Lye and we do justly acquit him of the same a Lye being the Character of a Man of a very corrupt Conscience and a Contrived Lye the worst of that kind of Evil. Answer 1. They do not tell us who those Elders are that they say do very well remember that at the Assembly I answered nothing to the Charge of Mr. Collins and therefore we may justly question the Truth of what they say considering that in my last Book there is the Publick Testimony of some of the most Honourable Elders in our Association and other Credible Witnesses who testifie against Mr. Collins's false accusation of my being self condemned and who also say that I did strongly perssist in my own Vindication in that Assembly 2. That positive Affirmation of theirs that I said it's a contrived Lye of Mr. Collins so to charge me that I answered nothing for myself is a base Vntruth and such a wicked Accusation as no Honest Heathen Turk or Jew in their right Senses would against the Light of Nature dare to utter from the sight of any of my Books as they have done For those Words of Mr. Collins at the End of Mr. Allen's Vindication That I had to the best of his Remembrance nothing to say in my own Defence tho' they were testify'd against under the Hands of several Credible Witnesses in my last Book yet they were not at all charged by me or any of my Witnesses on Mr. Collins as a Lye or as any Evil but in my last Book Entituled A Clear Confutation of Mr. Richard Allen pag. 39. I have shewed and it s there confirmed by five * * The five Witnesses against Mr. Collins are Mr. William Kiffin Pastour Mr. Robert Steed Pastour Mr. John Scot Pastour Mr. Hugh Smith Minister and Mr. Luke Leader Credible Witnesses that Mr. Collins's Assertion that I was self-condemned at the Assembly is a Contrived Lye which principal matter of Fact there charged and proved against Mr. Collins my unjust Judges have taken no Notice of at all in their Paper but instead thereof they have in an evil Confederacy falsly accused me with another thing viz. That I said it's a Contrived Lye of Mr. Collins so to charge me that I answered nothing for my self For which false and wicked Accusation those Judges ought to manifest true Repentance before either their Words or Writings will deserve the least Reputation among the Sons of Men. 3. The Authours of the Paper I am here answering if it be true as they say do clear me of the self-condemnation which Mr. Collins contrived a Lye to accuse me with For if it be true that several Elders do very well remember that at the Assembly I answered nothing to the Charge of Mr. Collins then it 's evident that I uttered nothing like self condemnation and if Silence be self-condemning we may equally affirm that our Saviour condemned himself when he was silent before the High Priest and said nothing to the Accusation of those false Witnesses that rose up against him which for any to say of Christ is Blasphemy Mark 14.57 to 61 or 62. So that those Judges in what they say to clear Mr. Collins of his Lye have I suppose it is unawares cleared me of his false Accusation and fastned his Lye upon him if what they say of the Elders be true Isaac Marlow Having thus recited my Answer which I sent them on the 3d. of May 1697. I shall here proceed in order to take some farther Notice of several things in their Paper to recite Mr. Collins's Paragraph in the last leaf of Mr. Keach's Breach repaired wherein the false Translation of the Latin is and shall make some Breif Observations on it and produce some new Evidence to fasten the false Translation on Mr. Collins whose Paragraph immediately follows The Author which Mr. M. cites out of Marlorate on Mat. 26.30 pretends it is uncertain with what Words they praised God that is whether it was with the common Passover Hymn or some other of Christ's own which might be more suitable to the Occasion and whether they Sang this Praise or Spake it Simply the following words of the Author not being well render'd by Mr. Timme I shall set down they are these Graecum verbum laudem quidem maxime quae Deo debetur includit non autem necessariò evincit quòd cecinerint i. e. The Greek Word indeed includes Praise chiefly that which is due to God but undoubtedly it doth evince that they Sang I. From the Genuine Signification of the Origininal Word And 2. From the Current of Learned Men who go this Way Thus the Latin was falsly Englished for it should be as it was Corrected by them viz. But it doth not necessarily evince that they sang which is the same in seuce as my Author Mr. Timme reads it viz. But it doth not thereupon follow that they did Sing it Now as to the Correction that was made after this Abuse was taken Notice of abroad the whole Paragraph was not taken away as it ought to have been neither was the former part of it at all altered which discovers the Design of Mr. Collins to deceive his Unlearned Reader with the false Translation of the Latin as plainly appears from the Paragraph 1. Because Mr. Collins findeth fault with Mr. Timme's Translation for pretending it is uncertain whether they sang that Praise or spake it simply and then in Contradiction to him he asserts from the Latin that Vndoubtedly it doth evince that they sang which false Translation agrees with Mr. Collins's former Contradiction of Mr. Timme in the Paragraph 2. Because for Mr. Collins to tell us that Mr. Timme had not well rendred Marlorate's Latin when he had rendred his true Sense he must needs do it on purpose to deceive his Unlearned Reader with his false Translation of it for otherwise seeing Mr. Timme had done it in the right Sence there was no need at all for Mr. Collins to write that Paragraph or any thing else against him 3. 'T is plain that the Word not was left out on purpose to deceive his Unlearned Reader because there is no Reason to believe that Mr. Collins did design positively to affirm from Marlorate's Latin that Christ and his Disciples did not sing the Hymn after Supper or that he translated the Latin to give an Undoubted Testimony to overthrow
that the farther matter of Fact in difference between him and me is published in Print I hope our People know me so well as to distinguish me by my true Marks from Mr. Collins and his Confederates And surely their Time had been better spent in humbling themselves for their Iniquities and in wipeing the black Mark of their Paper from off themselves by true Repentance instead of giving it forth as I heard they did to Mr. Collins since I sent them my before-recited Answer to it 3. I desire it may be noted what a persecuting Spirit is like to follow me if I should joyn my self to any Church and how troublesome my Adversaries would be to the Peace and Union of any People that should receive me into Communion seeing they would seek their Remedy as they call it or rather their Revenge against me by them For 't is rational to expect no better Dealing from them than their false Testimony already given or instead of that false Accusation in their Paper some other piece of Forgery that would pass a Church easier with their pressing Influence to sway the People to a wrong Judgment against me to blemish my Testimony for Truth and Righteousness And had those Singers power suitable to their Wills I believe I should quickly feel the Smart of it for my Faithfulness to the pure Interest of the Baptized Churches and for Reproving them for their Iniquity 4. As to what they say in their Paper of my being at present no Member in any of the Baptized Churches I shall farther Answer That I believe they cannot but know that I was lately a Member of a Baptized Church here in London and that they or some of them have seen my Printed Case of Separation from it which was never yet answered nor the Truth thereof as I know of at all denyed by the Church or any Member of it And were there any particular matter concerning my Proceedings for which I could be justly blamed I believe I should e're now have heard enough of it in Print but the Lord has so directed my Steps as to shut the Mouths of all Men in Publick whatever private Insinuations they use against me And tho' I am not again joyned to any People it is not because I cannot find in this City a Baptized Church in Gospel Order that as a Church I could have Communion with at the Lords Table if it were not for the Corruption of some Singing-members in their Fellowship who bar my Conscience from their Communion 5. As to what my Unjust Judges also say in their Paper that my Reflections on Mr. Collins in my Book lately Published render him unworthy to be a Member of the Church much more their Pastor I shall only return this Answer that seeing my Reflections are so just and true that neither he nor his Friends are able to clear him of any one of them it then follows from the Judgment of his own Friends and my Adversaries that he is unworthy to be either a Pastor or Member of the Church and I beleive so too while he is under his present Circumstances of Sin And I likewise believe the same of his Fellow-Singers the Authors of the aforesaid Paper who are also unworthy of Church-Communion 'till they have manifested true Repentance for their unjust Judgment false Accusation and Forged Lye against me deceitfully to cover Mr. Collins's Lye And whoever reads the Controversie of Singing from first to last they may plainly see that with the Bringing among our Churches the false Worship of Common Set-form Singing there has appeared in it's Defence such a Dishonest Spirit of Deceit and Lying as ought to be abhorred and counted unworthy of the Society of all sober Men and is a plain Mark of an apostatizing Spirit from true Religion A Lye being as my false Accusers say in their Paper the Character of a Man of a very corrupt Conscience and a Contrived Lye the worst of that kind of Evil. To Conclude I have shewed in my last Book called A Clear Confutation c. not only how Mr. Collins has abused the Translation of the Latin of Augustine Marlorate who was a Reformed Minister and Faithful Martyr of Jesus Christ but also how he has abused the Learned and Worthy Mr. Ainsworth who in his Annotations and Translation of the Psalms of David has eight several times given the Signification of the Greek Word Hymnos to be Simply Praise and in no one place as I can find has translated it a Song of Praise and yet Mr. Collins in his aforesaid printed Paper has the Confidence to say that Mr. Ainsworth on Psalm the 3d. Intends nothing less than a Song of Praise tho' Mr. Ainsworth has there said no more on the Signification of the Word Hymnos than Tehilla in Gr. Hymnos a Hymn or Praise Besides Mr. Collins in the same Paper at the End of Mr. Keach's Breach Repaired in Answer to me on Psalm 78.63 has cited Jun. and Trem. thus Non Epithalamio celebratae sunt i. e. were not Honoured with a Wedding-Song But this is a Wrong to those Authors for Junius and Tremellius in their Latin Bible translates the Text thus Juvenes ejus absumeret ignis Virgines ejus non laudarentur that is The fire consumed his Young Men and his Virgins were not Praised So that considering how apt Mr. Collins is to misrepresent and abuse Authors See my Clear Confutation P. 7 8 43. and his wronging the first Baptized Churches contrary to their Printed Confession of Faith which testifies against his Publick Slander of them and his Commendation of Mr. Allen's Cheat about the Hebrew Rhime and Metre and his contrived Lye against me which is justly so termed from his Design to deceive with it and from his deliberate doing of it by Writing his Contrived Deceit and giving of it forth to Print I think therefore we have no Reason to Credit his Words or Writings 'till he has manifested Sincere Repentance for those Evils Moreover I have also shewed in my last Book Entituled A Clear Confutation of Mr. Richard Allen and his five Commendators from their own Confessions what a Pernicious Popish Error Mr. William Collins and his Companions have broached in Print among our Churches viz. That Christian Churches have liberty to Order such Accidental Modes and Circumstances of Divine Worship as are not particularly prescribed in the Word as they shall judge most for Edification Which strikes at a Foundation Principle and tends to the Ruine of ours and the Protestants Reformation more in General it being as I have proved in my aforesaid Confutation opposite to the Principle of our first Reformers from Popery and is contrary to the Presbiterians Independants and Baptists Confessions of Faith Article 1. and Art 21 22. To which last is Mr. William Collins's Name So that he is Apostatizing in Spirit from a Foundation-Principle of the Protestant Reformation And let the Reader judge from what I have said whether it be not from Moral Honesty too I shall only add That as I never had any Difference with Mr. Collins in any other matters than of Religion so my Conscience bears me Witness that I have not thus discovered his Iniquity from any Prejudice against him but that the Truth he has endeavoured to stifle by his Deceit may be made manifest and to discourage him and his Confederates and others hereafter from defending their Errors by such Foul and Mischievous Ways which if they were not laid open and made Examplary to deter others no sober Christian would be able to appear publickly for the Truth he professeth tho' it be never so violently assaulted without the hazard of his Honest Reputation his being tyred with the Increase of Charge in printing and of such a Labyrinth of Difficulties as but few are able to pass through which I hope the Lord in his due time will deliver me from and discover to our Churches and make them sensible of the base Confederacy of my Adversaries and their Treachery against the Baptized Interest in this Nation more and more Isaac Marlow London July 2. 1697. Bar ye are Forgers of Lyes ye are all Physitians of no Value Job 13.4 The Proud have forged a Lye against me Psal 119.69 Deliver my Soul O Lord from Lying Lips and from a Deceitful Tongue Psal 120.2 I hate and abhor Lying but thy Law do I love Psal 119.163 Lye non one to another Col. 3.9 Thou shalt not bear false Witness against thy Neighbour Exod. 20.16 A false Witness that speaketh Lyes God hateth Prov. 6.19 A false Witness shall not be unpunished and he that speaketh Lyes shall not escape Prov. 19.5 The Mouth of them that speak Lyes shall be stopped Psal 63.11 Thou shalt not hate thy Brother in thine Heart thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy Neighbour and not suffer sin upon him Lev. 19.17 Ye shall do not Vnrighteousness in Judgment thou shalt not respect the Person of the Poor nor honour the Person of the Mighty Lev. 19.15 Now we command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that ye withdraw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Tradition which be received of us 2 Thes 3.6 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have Mercy Prov. 28.13 FINIS
his own Cause but that he made that false Translation to make his Unlearned Reader believe that undoubtedly they did sing when he knew in his Conscience that the Latin leaves it undetermined saying only That it doth not necessarily evince or shew that they sang Mat. 26.30 4. It appears that Mr. Collins wrote that Paragraph on purpose to make that false Translation otherwise the Paragraph as afterwards corrected is a plain Contradiction to it self For he in the former part of it that was never altered as I hinted before findeth fault with Mr. Timme's Translation for pretending it is uncertain whether Christ and his Disciples sang and then Mr. Collins tells us in his false Translation that they did undoubtedly or certainly sing and he in the latter part of it as Corrected makes it uncertain whether they sang or no and so contradicts his former Words And therefore seeing the Paragraph as Corrected is not Sence but a plain Contradiction of it self and that the False Translation of the Latin renders the Paragraph true English Coherent Agreeing and good Sence and that there is no reason to think Mr. Collins did write the former part against Mr. Timme's Translation to confirm its true Sence as Corrected afterwards in the same Paragraph but that he wrote it as uncorrected to oppose our Author's Evidence of the Simple Signification of the Greek Word Hymneo to Praise It must then follow that Mr. Collins could have no other End in writing against Mr. Timme's true Sence but to deceive his Unlearned Reader And seeing Mr. Collins both in Converse and Print has so own'd himself as the Author of that Paragraph that he cannot impute the Writing of it to any other Person he cannot any ways clear himself of that false Translation of the Latin 5. Mr. Collins appears to be Author of that False Translation from the Account the Printer has given of it to clear himself to two or three Credible Witnesses who have lately given me their Testimony in writing signed with their own Hands that when they asked the Printer who made the English contrary to Mr. Timme's Translation of Marlorate's Latin he said that he did think that Mr. Keach had said some time since as if they two had done it by Agreement but said he I know not of any thing more then that I agreed to Print it as he ordered it for we do not use to alter Copies except it be to rectifie the Words and make them good English if they are not so but to print them according to the Mind of the Author And the Printer's Son told them to this Effect that he did not Correct it nor Compose it as he remembred but he was Confident of this that Mr. Keach finding as he thought that the English put down by Mr. William Collins did not suit his Design altered it himself and said he did not doubt but Mr. Keach would own it because he did acknowledge it in a Paper he had lately printed at their House wherein to clear Mr. Collins he took it upon himself and he did not remember above two of them Papers printed Thus you see what the Printers have said My Observations follow 1. That altho' the Printer thinks that Mr. Keach had said as if they two had dore the false Translation contrary to Marlorate's Latin laying the Fault on the Printer as well as on himself yet we see how the Printer clears himself from printing it otherways than according to Order And 2. That the false Translation is imputed as it seems in Mr. Keach's Paper to him alone Now seeing I cannot obtain the sight of his Paper I have reason to believe that he suspects it to be so slight a thing as that it cannot bear the Tryal of my Answer or that Mr. Keach has so worded the Contents thereof as that he can play fast and loose with the Matter to help Mr. Collins and himself too when and where he pleaseth it should serve either Interest However seeing Mr. Keach has conceal'd the sight of his Paper from me notwithstanding after I was satisfied they were printed I sent a Friend with a Letter under my Hand on purpose to himself for it And considering that I also sent some Friends with a Letter of Request or Desire under my own Hand to know of my unjust Judges who was the Author of the false Translation and they also refused to tell me who the Author of it was to their Appearance I have therefore no reason to impute that wilful Abuse viz. the false Translation to any other than Mr. Collins who excepting what pertains to that has own'd that Paragraph in Print and otherways as the Author of it 6. It appears that Mr. Collins was the Author of that false Translation for it is not rational to believe that Mr. Keach without the Agreement of Mr. Collins would dare to make so great an Alteration in the Translation as to put the Word undoubtedly into the English when he might have served his Design with only leaving out the Word not and have excused it with the Pretence of an accidental Blot in the Copy that covered it from the Printer or otherways concealed his Fault from Mr. Collins without hazarding the Favour of his Friendship by abusing his Translation with putting in the Word undoubtedly instead of the right Words which shews not only that the Faise Translation was made on purpose to deceive but also that it is not likely Mr. Keach with so great an Alteration asserting the Current of Learned Men for it made that false Translation without the Agreement of Mr. Collins to it or rather if they did it by Agreement then from what hath been proved from the former part of Mr. Collins's Paragraph 't is plain that their Agreement was only Mr. Keach's Consent and Approbation of the false Translation which Mr. Collins had made and contrived to deceive his Unlearned Reader with among whom those Books were likely most to be dispersed 7. It appears that Mr. Collins had a Design in Writing that Paper wherein the false Translation is to abuse some of my Authors or knew that he had done it from the Title that is on his Paper viz. Some Reflections on Mr. Marlow 's undue Citations of several Learned Men For considering that neither Mr. Collins nor any others have been ever able to shew that I have falsly cited any one Author or to manifest that I have added to them any more than their due it is therefore evident from the Title Mr. Collins has given or Consented to by suffering it to remain on that Paper that he designed to abuse some of my Authors or knew that he had done it under Pretence that I had not duely cited them otherwise he would have thought the Title to be a wrong Title and should not have let it pass into the the World 8. It appears that Mr. Collins was the Author of that false Translation from the Testimony of a Letter I have now