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A26049 The assenters sayings published in their own words for the information of the people : being in requital of Roger L'Estrange's Dissenters sayings / by an indifferent hand. Indifferent hand. 1681 (1681) Wing A4019; ESTC R4649 21,051 39

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THE Assenters Sayings PUBLISHED In their own Words For the Information of the PEOPLE Being in Requital of Roger L'Estrange's DISSENTERS SAYINGS By an Indifferent Hand LONDON Printed for Henry Jones 1681. The Epistle to the Reader In this Collection you will find Sayings of two sorts some Good and some Bad the Good are all spoken in favor of Dissenters by men of as much Piety and Learning as any have been in the Church of England since the Reformation Among the Bad ones you will find some Enthusiastick and Blasphemous some in favor of Debauchery c. In making this Collection I have taken care to avoid that which L'Estrange is so frequently guilty of in his pretended Dissenters Sayings viz. taking a line in one place two or three words in another and a word from another and drawing them head and shoulders into one Sentence which thus jumbled together speak quite contrary to the Author's sense and meaning So that to say the truth some of those Sayings are not the Dissenters but L'Estrange's Now here you will find the whole Sentence laid down in the words of the Author without the least alteration I shall conclude with my hearty Prayer to God That Assenter and Dissenter and all other Names of Division and Causes of Animosity may be taken away from among us for ever The Epistle to the Reader THE Design of the ensuing Collection is in some measure to put a Check to those Clamorous Outcries that are daily sent forth against the Dissenters especially in those two famed Pamphlets called The Dissenters Sayings c. And to inform the World That the Dissenters from the Church of England are no such manner of Persons as R. L. Heraclitus Club and the late fam'd William Gould cum multis aliis would represent them to the Common People for and there is nothing more plain than that many sober Assenters to the Church of England are Dissenters from them For you shall find many of these Sayings spoken in favor of the Dissenters by Men of more Brains and Learning and therefore more capable of judging than Roger L'Estrange and though being Guide to the inferiour Clergy as the Worshipful JEST-Ass was pleas'd to stile himself in a Letter to a young Divine at CAMBRIDGE he may with Authority correct them yet certainly he will not do so by those of the superior Clergy Men of far more Holiness and Piety whose Sayings are more to be regarded than the envious and malicious Railings of every prosligate Buffoon Men of far better Estates and larger Revenues whereby they are not so liable to be imposed upon by a debauch'd Companion or an imperious Strumpet a pressing Poverty or an insatiable Revenge a covetous Bookseller or a turbulent Clergy-man the one promising to pay well for his Copy and the other to make larger Contributions among those of his Tribe For it is apparent to all unprejudic'd Persons that the whole design and ultimate end of all his Writings is to promote the Roman Interest supply his Necessity and satiate his Revenge THE Assenters Sayings PUBLISHED In their own WORDS TO Inform the PEOPLE I shall Introduce the Reader with a Choice Collection of the Sayings of a Great Champion of the Assenters wherein he endeavours to prove K. C. the First to be the Third Person in the Trinity 2ly That there is no Salvation to be obtained out of the Church of England 1. THE first Objection is say they What doth your Scripture Proofs make for King Charles I answer With those that hate Him and the Truth the Proofs are of little or no force With such as love Him and the Truth the Proofs will prevail There are darker Proofs than these brought to prove the verity of our Saviour Jesus Christ Eccho to the Voice from Heaven Printed 1652. in the Preface 2. As the Jews will find Objections enough against the Gospel so many will find Objections against this King but let them take heed what they say against Him for Jesus knew that the Scriptures heretofore was dark and therefore he said to them that spake against his own Person then It was forgiven them but saith he Whosoever speaketh a word against the Holy Ghost it shall never be forgiven him Matth. 12.32 That is against his appearance in this King John 14.26 Jer. 9.28 which thing is so clear that all the Mysteries of God are opened by it So that now an Angel swears that time shall be no more for Ignorance to shelter under Rev. 10.7 Ibid. 3. For this King is that Key of David by which all Secrets was locked up Isa 22.22 Rev. 3.7 and by which Key all now is opened for this Day of Light was appointed to be in a King and therefore it is said in Heb. 4.7 he limiteth a day saying in David To day after so long time giving to understand that the Day was not the Apostles Time nor David's time but our time Ibid. 4. Christ signifies Anointed in English and I hope none will deny the King to be the Lords Anointed the Lord our Lord is the Lord Jesus and the King is the Lord 's Anointed or in Greek his Christ for all knows that Christ is a Greek word and one of the most learned Bishops in England upon the hearing of my Book read before him gave this sentence of Approbation upon it That he wished that all Men were of my mind and for the Third Person all the true Ministers in the King's Dominions fifteen years ago gave him the place of the Third Person saying of him to God the Father in their Prayers CHARLES by thy Grace and Providence King of great Britain France and Ireland Defender of the true Ancient Catholick and Apostolick Faith next under Thee and thy Son supream Head and Governour Ibid. 5. Here they place the King to be next to Jesus Christ making no mention of the Floly Ghost except they meant Him to be the King Ibid. 6. The Holy Ghost is the Chief Governour of the Saints on Earth by the Apostles Testimony for when the Decree is sent to the People of God Acts 15.28 it runs thus It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to lay upon you no other burdens than these And for the Ministers words by the orational sense of them we must understand them thus That by the King they mean the Holy Ghost and third Person or else we must understand thus That they do not acknowledge the Holy Ghost to be the third Person for they spake of God the Father and of God the Son and King Charles to be next and immediate under the Father and the Son Ibid. 7. Here they put out the Holy Ghost from being the third Person except they mean him to be signified to us in the King's Person which may very well be for Christ himself in the first place where he speaks of God's sending the Holy Ghost saith he John 14.16 I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter and