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that_o he_o do_v give_v power_n to_o the_o governor_n of_o his_o church_n and_o houshodle_n to_o pardon_v and_o give_v penance_n to_o judge_v and_o rule_v the_o people_n in_o the_o right_n of_o our_o say_a saviour_n to_o the_o edify_a of_o his_o body_n and_o make_v perfect_a of_o his_o saint_n fulke_v we_o do_v christianly_o confess_v according_a to_o the_o scripture_n and_o with_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n not_o only_o by_o power_n equal_a to_o his_o father_n concern_v his_o divine_a nature_n but_o also_o by_o grant_n of_o god_n his_o father_n in_o his_o humane_a nature_n which_o be_v far_o inferior_a to_o his_o father_n do_v remit_v sin_n absolute_o and_o of_o sovereign_a authority_n in_o respect_n of_o his_o divinity_n as_o the_o mediator_n god_n and_o man_n and_o that_o he_o do_v the_o same_o upon_o earth_n also_o as_o a_o minister_n and_o preacher_n of_o repentance_n and_o reconciliation_n according_a to_o his_o humanity_n but_o hereupon_o it_o follow_v not_o by_o any_o order_n or_o necessity_n of_o consequence_n that_o whoesoever_o deny_v mere_a man_n to_o have_v authority_n or_o power_n to_o forgive_v sin_n be_v injurious_a to_o christ_n person_n and_o the_o dispensation_n of_o his_o flesh_n or_o mystery_n of_o his_o holy_a incarnation_n for_o although_o that_o man_n have_v this_o authority_n which_o be_v god_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o such_o man_n as_o be_v only_a man_n be_v capable_a of_o the_o same_o authority_n the_o diversity_n betwixt_o the_o state_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n and_o other_o be_v so_o great_a that_o nothing_o can_v be_v communicate_v to_o other_o which_o be_v proper_a to_o he_o in_o respect_n of_o his_o divine_a nature_n and_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v the_o absolute_a power_n to_o forgive_v sin_n for_o which_o he_o have_v make_v satisfaction_n to_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n which_o whensoever_o we_o speak_v of_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n may_v not_o be_v forget_v for_o the_o mercy_n of_o god_n forgive_v no_o sin_n but_o that_o for_o which_o his_o justice_n be_v thorouglie_a satisfy_v in_o the_o obedience_n and_o justice_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o redeemer_n jesus_n christ._n therefore_o as_o no_o other_o man_n have_v the_o dispensation_n of_o his_o satisfaction_n but_o himself_o so_o no_o other_o man_n can_v give_v absolute_a forgiveness_n of_o sin_n but_o himself_o but_o as_o all_o his_o minister_n have_v power_n to_o pronounce_v forgiveness_n of_o sin_n to_o the_o penitent_a which_o be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o express_v his_o will_n and_o pleasure_n concern_v the_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o in_o what_o sort_n and_o condition_n he_o bestow_v the_o same_o so_o have_v they_o power_n to_o teteine_v sin_n not_o of_o they_o who_o he_o will_v pardon_v but_o of_o such_o as_o do_v not_o repent_v and_o therefore_o by_o his_o word_n be_v deny_v of_o forgiveness_n so_o that_o man_n in_o this_o case_n follow_v the_o judgement_n and_o authority_n of_o god_n not_o god_n the_o judgement_n and_o authority_n of_o man_n for_o if_o a_o true_a priest_n elder_a or_o minister_v of_o the_o gospel_n lawful_o authorize_v will_v forgive_v the_o sin_n of_o a_o hypocrite_n that_o faign_v repentance_n they_o be_v not_o forgive_v before_o god_n and_o if_o man_n will_v retain_v the_o sin_n of_o a_o true_a penitent_a yet_o be_v they_o forgive_v before_o god_n for_o to_o man_n be_v give_v no_o absolute_a power_n to_o forgive_v sin_n any_o more_o than_o there_o be_v give_v to_o man_n a_o undouted_a judgement_n to_o discern_v between_o hypocrite_n and_o true_a faithful_a person_n but_o where_o you_o say_v that_o god_n can_v without_o derogation_n to_o his_o godheade_n communicate_v with_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o grant_v he_o in_o consideration_n of_o his_o assumpt_v nature_n the_o rule_n &_o redemption_n of_o his_o people_n the_o government_n of_o our_o soul_n the_o assoyl_a of_o our_o sin_n etc._n etc._n i_o must_v know_v how_o far_o you_o extend_v your_o consideration_n for_o if_o you_o mean_v thereby_o that_o god_n in_o respect_n of_o or_o according_a to_o this_o assumpt_v humane_a nature_n do_v communicate_v to_o our_o saviout_n christ_n none_o other_o but_o such_o power_n as_o he_o may_v without_o derogation_n to_o his_o deity_n have_v communicate_v unto_o moses_n samuel_n or_o any_o other_o which_o be_v a_o mere_a mortal_a man_n for_o the_o redemption_n of_o our_o soul_n and_o forgiveness_n of_o our_o sin_n i_o do_v utterlie_o abhor_v your_o nestorian_a and_o worse_o than_o nestorian_a blasphemy_n but_o if_o you_o mean_v that_o such_o pow_o er_fw-mi as_o may_v without_o the_o derogation_n of_o his_o godhead_n be_v communicate_v to_o the_o son_n of_o man_n be_v by_o he_o deliver_v to_o the_o minister_n of_o his_o church_n which_o execute_v the_o office_n of_o shepherd_n and_o teacher_n in_o his_o place_n i_o do_v glad_o confess_v that_o without_o all_o unseemliness_n and_o derogation_n to_o his_o eternal_a honour_n the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n have_v power_n by_o his_o grant_n to_o retain_v and_o forgive_v sin_n that_o be_v to_o declare_v the_o judgement_n of_o god_n in_o forgive_a or_o retain_v of_o sin_n according_a to_o such_o condition_n as_o he_o have_v express_v in_o his_o holy_a word_n which_o judgement_n according_a to_o those_o condition_n be_v so_o ratify_v by_o god_n himself_o that_o it_o be_v as_o certain_a as_o if_o it_o be_v pronounce_v and_o utter_v by_o his_o own_o voice_n out_o of_o heaven_n but_o where_o you_o speak_v of_o pardon_v and_o geve_v of_o penance_n i_o must_v once_o again_o distinguish_v of_o your_o meaning_n for_o if_o you_o mean_v by_o your_o popish_a term_n of_o penance_n repentance_n so_o that_o you_o say_v man_n have_v power_n to_o give_v repentance_n which_o be_v a_o conversion_n of_o the_o heart_n unto_o god_n and_o a_o change_n of_o the_o mind_n from_o sin_n to_o obedience_n of_o god_n i_o spit_v at_o your_o blaspemous_a say_n for_o it_o be_v proper_a only_a to_o god_n to_o give_v repentance_n to_o israel_n and_o to_o all_o true_a israelite_n of_o the_o gentile_n his_o elect_a child_n as_o the_o holy_a ghost_n teach_v acts._n 5._o and_o 11._o in_o which_o place_n your_o pupil_n the_o rhemist_n dare_v not_o for_o gall_n of_o conscience_n and_o shame_n of_o the_o world_n translate_v the_o latin_a word_n paenitentia_fw-la as_o they_o do_v common_o else_o where_o except_o it_o be_v take_v in_o the_o evil_a part_n penance_n but_o repentance_n yet_o if_o by_o the_o word_n penance_n you_o mean_v a_o time_n or_o exercise_v of_o trial_n of_o true_a repentance_n which_o the_o ancient_a writer_n do_v sometime_o metonimical_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o paenitentia_fw-la which_o be_v grant_v by_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n to_o such_o as_o have_v greevouslie_o fall_v that_o they_o may_v have_v some_o experience_n of_o their_o true_a conversion_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o faithful_a i_o may_v yield_v to_o your_o term_n and_o further_o i_o will_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o god_n have_v give_v power_n unto_o the_o governor_n of_o his_o church_n and_o household_n to_o pardon_v such_o penance_n thatis_fw-la to_o remit_v upon_o due_a and_o good_a consideration_n some_o part_n or_o the_o whole_a of_o that_o time_n and_o exercise_n which_o to_o such_o penitent_n by_o they_o be_v enjoin_v but_o that_o any_o mortal_a creature_n have_v power_n to_o pardon_v penance_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o the_o party_n which_o be_v to_o receive_v the_o pardon_n need_v not_o to_o be_v penitent_a for_o his_o sin_n i_o stand_v still_o to_o the_o flat_a denial_n neither_o must_v we_o here_o make_v any_o great_a account_n of_o such_o as_o shall_v object_v to_o the_o priest_n of_o god_n church_n as_o the_o scribe_n do_v unto_o christ_n himself_o when_o they_o see_v he_o
30._o entreat_v upon_o this_o place_n illud_fw-la verò_fw-la non_fw-la praetermittendum_fw-la quòd_fw-la quando_fw-la peccata_fw-la paralytici_fw-la dimisit_fw-la non_fw-la apertè_fw-la potestatem_fw-la svam_fw-la manifesiavit_fw-la non_fw-la enim_fw-la dixit_fw-la dimitto_fw-la tibi_fw-la peccata_fw-la tua_fw-la sed_fw-la dimittuntur_fw-la tibi_fw-la peccata_fw-la tua_fw-la inimicis_fw-la autem_fw-la urgentibus_fw-la manifestius_fw-la svam_fw-la potestatem_fw-la oftendit_fw-la ait_fw-fr enim_fw-la ut_fw-la sciatis_fw-la quia_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habet_fw-la filius_fw-la bominis_fw-la in_o terra_fw-la peccata_fw-la di_fw-it mittere_fw-la perpendisne_n quam_fw-la longè_fw-la abest_fw-la ut_fw-la nolit_fw-la aequalis_fw-la patri_fw-la putari_fw-la non_fw-it enim_fw-la dixit_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habere_fw-la à _fw-la deo_fw-la filium_fw-la hominis_fw-la aut_fw-la quia_fw-la dedit_fw-la sibi_fw-la deus_fw-la potestatem_fw-la sed_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habet_fw-la filius_fw-la hominis_fw-la nec_fw-la ad_fw-la gloriam_fw-la dico_fw-la ait_fw-la sed_fw-la ut_fw-la vobis_fw-la persuadeam_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la blasphemo_fw-la cùm_fw-la meip_v sum_fw-la patri_fw-la aequalem_fw-la faciam_fw-la but_o this_o thing_n be_v not_o to_o be_v pass_v by_o that_o when_o he_o forgive_v the_o sin_n of_o the_o palsy_n man_n he_o do_v not_o open_o manifest_v his_o power_n for_o he_o do_v not_o say_v i_o forgive_v thou_o thy_o sin_n but_o thy_o sin_n be_v forgiventhe_n but_o when_o his_o enemy_n urge_v he_o he_o show_v his_o power_n more_o manifest_o for_o he_o say_v that_o you_o may_v know_v that_o the_o son_n of_o man_n have_v power_n on_o earth_n to_o forgive_v sin_n do_v thou_o not_o mark_v how_o far_o of_o it_o be_v that_o he_o will_v not_o be_v think_v equal_a to_o his_o father_n for_o he_o say_v not_o that_o the_o son_n of_o man_n have_v power_n from_o god_n or_o that_o god_n have_v give_v he_o power_n but_o the_o son_n of_o man_n have_v power_n neither_o say_v he_o do_v i_o speak_v it_o for_o to_o glory_n in_o but_o that_o i_o may_v persuade_v you_o that_o i_o do_v not_o blaspheme_v when_o i_o make_v myself_o equal_a with_o my_o father_n the_o same_o interpretation_n have_v euthymius_n upon_o the_o place_n s._n ambrose_n also_o acknowledge_v the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v prove_v by_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n in_o luc._n 5._o cognosce_fw-la interioris_fw-la hominis_fw-la sanitatem_fw-la cvi_fw-la peccata_fw-la donantur_fw-la quae_fw-la cùm_fw-la judoaei_fw-la asserunt_fw-la a_o solo_fw-la deo_fw-la posse_fw-la donari_fw-la deum_fw-la utique_fw-la confitentur_fw-la suoque_fw-la iudicio_fw-la perfidiam_fw-la svam_fw-la produnt_fw-la ut_fw-la opus_fw-la astruant_fw-la personam_fw-la negent_fw-la etc._n etc._n acknowledge_v the_o heal_n of_o the_o innar_a man_n to_o who_o his_o sin_n be_v forgive_v which_o when_o the_o jew_n do_v affirm_v that_o they_o can_v be_v forgive_v by_o god_n alone_o they_o do_v confess_v very_o that_o he_o be_v god_n &_o by_o their_o own_o argument_n bewray_v their_o falsehood_n that_o they_o allow_v his_o work_n and_o deny_v his_o person_n therefore_o even_o of_o they_o the_o son_n of_o god_n receive_v testimony_n of_o his_o work_n &_o require_v not_o the_o suffrage_n of_o their_o voice_n for_o falsehood_n can_v confess_v but_o it_o can_v believe_v therefore_o there_o want_v no_o testimony_n to_o his_o divinity_n but_o faith_n be_v want_v to_o their_o salvation_n for_o both_o it_o be_v more_o strange_a for_o credit_v which_o they_o confess_v unwilling_a and_o also_o more_o pernicious_a to_o their_o faul_n that_o they_o deny_v which_o be_v convince_v by_o their_o own_o assertion_n great_a therefore_o be_v the_o madness_n of_o the_o unfaithful_a people_n that_o when_o they_o have_v confess_v that_o it_o pertain_v to_o god_n only_o to_o forgive_v sin_n they_o will_v not_o give_v credit_n to_o god_n when_o he_o do_v forgive_v sin_n and_o a_o little_a after_o where_o he_o also_o acknowledge_v the_o power_n of_o remit_v sin_n which_o be_v grant_v to_o man_n he_o do_v nevertheless_o affirm_v that_o god_n only_o do_v forgive_v sin_n quamuis_fw-la igitur_fw-la magnum_fw-la sit_fw-la hominibus_fw-la peccata_fw-la dimittere_fw-la quis_fw-la enim_fw-la potest_fw-la peccata_fw-la dimittere_fw-la nisi_fw-la solus_fw-la deus_fw-la quiper_n eos_fw-la quoque_fw-la dimittit_fw-la quibus_fw-la dimittendi_fw-la tribuit_fw-la potestatein_a tamen_fw-la multò_fw-la divinius_fw-la est_fw-la resurrecti_fw-la onem_fw-la donare_fw-la corporibus_fw-la for_o although_o it_o be_v a_o great_a thing_n to_o forgive_v sin_n to_o man_n for_o who_o can_v forgive_v sin_n but_o god_n alone_o who_z also_o forgive_v by_o they_o to_o who_o he_o have_v give_v power_n of_o for_o give_v yet_o it_o be_v a_o much_o more_o divine_a work_n to_o give_v resurrection_n to_o man_n body_n this_o 〈◊〉_d of_o s._n ambrose_n show_v not_o only_o that_o christ_n by_o his_o divine_a power_n as_o god_n forgive_v sin_n in_o 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