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chance_n some_o water_n be_v cast_v see_v they_o want_v the_o chief_a and_o principal_a condition_n which_o make_v a_o man_n be_v a_o matter_n and_o subject_v capable_a of_o baptism_n namely_o fayth_n that_o they_o that_o be_v baptise_a as_o say_v saint_n paul_n have_v put_v on_o christ_n that_o christ_n can_v be_v put_v on_o out_o of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v call_v the_o fullnes_n of_o christ_n &_o that_o therefore_o baptism_n can_v be_v among_o heretic_n that_o every_o one_o of_o you_o say_v saint_n peter_n be_v baptise_a for_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o the_o creed_n of_o constantinople_n i_o believe_v one_o baptism_n for_o remission_n of_o sin_n now_o among_o the_o heretic_n there_o be_v no_o remission_n of_o sin_n for_o the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n and_o by_o consequent_a no_o baptism_n that_o when_o it_o be_v tell_v john_n baptist_n that_o christ_n baptise_a he_o answer_v none_o can_v do_v it_o unless_o it_o be_v give_v he_o from_o heaven_n that_o no_o authority_n be_v give_v from_o heaven_n to_o the_o assembly_n of_o heretic_n and_o therefore_o that_o they_o can_v baptise_v that_o baptism_n be_v do_v by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o resident_a out_o of_o the_o church_n neither_o consequent_o baptism_n d._n tillenus_n his_o answer_n first_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o hearer_n of_o the_o scripture_n learn_v that_o whosoever_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o son_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v well_o baptise_a but_o the_o follower_n of_o the_o romish_a tradition_n can_v never_o know_v whether_o they_o be_v well_o baptize_v or_o no_o for_o beside_o this_o instituti_fw-la of_o christ_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n require_v the_o intent_n of_o the_o priest_n without_o which_o the_o sacrament_n with_o they_o be_v none_o now_o there_o be_v no_o man_n that_o can_v be_v full_o assure_v of_o another_o man_n intent_n second_o the_o scripture_n teach_v we_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o outward_a sacrament_n &_o the_o inward_a grace_n which_o be_v not_o enclose_v within_o the_o other_o as_o a_o salve_n in_o a_o box_n as_o the_o romish_a tradition_n teach_v they_o that_o receive_v the_o first_o receive_v not_o always_o the_o latter_a in_o what_o place_n soever_o it_o be_v as_o we_o see_v by_o the_o example_n of_o judas_n &_o simon_n magus_n for_o as_o say_v s._n augustine_n 24_o 〈◊〉_d 5._o the_o â—ont_n 〈◊〉_d 24_o man_n do_v put_v on_o christ_n sometime_o in_o participation_n of_o the_o sacrament_n sometime_o in_o sanctification_n of_o life_n the_o first_o be_v common_a to_o good_a and_o bad_a the_o other_o be_v peculiar_a only_o to_o the_o good_a neither_o heretic_n nor_o orthodoxal_a can_v minister_v any_o thing_n but_o the_o outward_a sacrament_n the_o holy_a ghost_n only_o give_v the_o internal_a grace_n that_o be_v faith_n possession_n of_o christ_n &_o remission_n of_o sin_n all_o which_o be_v manifest_a in_o scripture_n but_o the_o holyghost_n say_v he_o be_v resident_a only_o in_o the_o true_a church_n and_o not_o among_o heretic_n 2._o i_o answer_v the_o scripture_n teach_v we_o that_o the_o spirit_n blow_v where_o it_o list_v if_o it_o be_v always_o tie_v to_o a_o visible_a church_n as_o the_o pope_n to_o his_o seat_n of_o rome_n 8_o â—_o 8_o without_o distribute_v his_o grace_n elsewhere_o which_o be_v du_fw-fr perron_n meaning_n no_o infidel_n nor_o heretic_n bear_v out_o of_o the_o true_a church_n can_v ever_o enter_v thereinto_o by_o regeneration_n by_o which_o grace_n the_o holy_a ghost_n bring_v man_n thereunto_o 17_o 〈◊〉_d 17_o saint_n paul_n persecute_v the_o true_a church_n so_o far_o be_v he_o from_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o &_o receive_v notwithstanding_o the_o holy_a ghost_n out_o of_o the_o visible_a church_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o to_o speak_v proper_o the_o minister_n that_o give_v baptism_n but_o as_o the_o scripture_n say_v the_o heavenly_a father_n save_v we_o by_o the_o wash_n of_o regeneration_n through_o the_o renew_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 16._o 〈◊〉_d 5._o 5_o 26_o â—_o 1_o 16._o jesus_n christ_n cleanse_v &_o sanctifi_v his_o church_n through_o the_o wash_n of_o water_n in_o his_o word_n and_o as_o the_o word_n of_o the_o gospel_n when_o it_o be_v publish_v according_a to_o the_o revelation_n of_o god_n to_o salvation_n to_o all_o that_o believe_v though_o he_o that_o preach_v it_o do_v it_o of_o evil_a will_n without_o sincerity_n without_o zeal_n of_o envy_n &_o contention_n as_o say_v the_o apostle_n that_o be_v though_o he_o have_v no_o good_a intent_n so_o be_v it_o in_o the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v a_o visible_a word_n so_o that_o the_o minister_n confer_v it_o according_a to_o the_o lord_n institution_n his_o heresy_n or_o hypocrisy_n can_v hurt_v he_o that_o receive_v it_o for_o the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o be_v require_v in_o a_o pastor_n to_o approve_v his_o ministry_n before_o god_n but_o what_o be_v requisite_a to_o the_o 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