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A18926 Theologicall axioms or conclusions publikly controuerted, discussed, and concluded by that poore English congregation, in Amstelredam: to whome H.C. for the present, ad-ministreth the ghospel. Togither with an examination of the saide conclusions, by Henoch Clapham. Here-vnto is added a litle tractate entituled. The carpenter. Clapham, Henoch. 1597 (1597) STC 5346; ESTC S117152 42,593 52

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take vnto it the Bodie And in this sence our Iesus saith He will lay downe his lyfe or body and then by the other Nature distinguished not mixed he will take it vp againe And so when the Iues had cast downe the Temple of his body loe by the other distinct nature he raised it vp againe Let our Poly-baptist for shame therfore leaue of to mix the natures for making vp a Christ that is neither God nor Man Our Anabaptisticall Maniches they start out cryinge Mulier non habet semen the ●emall hath no seede or else if the woman haue feede yet of Mary he cold assume no seede but such as was sinfull To the first what shold I say The woomans seede shal breake the serpents head Gen. 3. This they say is not spoken of Christ but of his mysticall body Beastly spirits hath not the Apostle Gala. 4.4 plainly expounded it Christ or wold they haue the Body to be of one nature and the head to be of another how should they then growe togither shold the iustice of God be satisfied in another nature They forget that he which sanctifieth and they that are sanctified ex henos pantes are all of One Heb. 2.11 as also in all things like vnto vs syn excepted And this exception of Syn giueth also answer vnto the second namely that he assumed our nature but without syn First euerey meane Alchinist can tell them that in the generatinge of euerie creature euen in Minerals there is the Nature Actiue and the nature Passiue secondly that Syn is no substance but a bare Axcident or thing happening to accompanie mans nature because of the first transgression Now of Accidents or things associatinge a Substance som are seperable Now if anie shold say that syn is inseperable they may aswell say it is of the Essence of Man and that is apparantly false inasmuch as Man was perfect without it yea in very deed it is his imperfection Besides that which is impossible with man that is possible with God And that this Posse sit eius velle is a possibilitie agreing with his will let them remember that the holy ghost Luk. 1.35 whose office is as fyre to burne and water to wash loe he ouershadowes Mary for the perfectinge of this worke And much I muse that any shold think it possible to make the first Adam so glorious a Creature and that of red earth and in the meane tyme deme it so vnable for the second Adam to arise out of our Nature But say they The word was made flesh true what then Then Maries seed was not made flesh I answer if the word Made imply a turning of one Nature into another Then our Apollinarifts Christ will followe Expound therfore the word Made or Became by the word Epilambaneraj he assumed Heb. 2.16 Nor think to ●lip away with sayinge he tooke a seede for Abraham and the faithfull but remember the text He tooke the seede of Abraham and so the seede of the faithfull And for this cawse is he termed so oft Dauids sonne and If haj the roote from whence he shold growe Isa. 11.1 though in regard of the Nature assuminge he be called Dauids son and Goote Ps. 110.1 Reu. 5.5 And in vayne had Mathew and Luke laboured to proue him genealogically of Adam Abraham and Dauid if so he had not deriued an humaine nature from them Oh saith the false spirit he was of Dauid in regard of Ioseph his supposed Father not by reason of Mary for she was of Leuj inasmuch as Elisabet of Aaron Luk. 1.1.36 was cosen to Mary Our English Samosatenists som of them deming this but plaine cosenage in the Anabaptists and indeed they propound vnto vs so but a supposed Christ they say in secret that they were Cosens only in regard that Iudah and Leuj had one and the same Mother Gen. 29.34.35 This sence is far fetcht and deare bought good inough for Botchers that clap any clout on their garment But consideringe the Shiloh must spring from Iudah Gen. 49.10 Reu. 5.5 and Dauid lineallie I must needs hold fast that Mary his mother was of Iudah as also Elizabet by the Mother-side the surest side thowgh a Daughter of Aaron by reason of her Father Simple sowles though Iudahs men might not Marrie no more then any of the other 10. tribes with Leuj because of confoundinge the enheritaunce Nomb. 36.7.8.9 Yet Leuies Men who had no such enheritaunce Iosh. 13.33 And therfore no such confusion they might as they had their maintenance out of the other Tribes so Marrie with the other tribes Such a Mariage se in 2. Chro. 22.11 where the holy preist Iehojadah is maried with Iehosheba of Iudahs kyng-seede Besides Ioseph and Mary hauinge the testimonie of Iust and pleasing god it cannot without villanous reproach to them and Christ be thought to make such an illegitimate mongrell Mariage as the Anabaptists wold haue it Go therfore which way they and their opposit neighbour Artemon will to worke till they graun● him true God and true Man existinge of two Natures distinct not mingled their work but shutters in the ioynts as Belshassars knees knocking ech other The Iues saw him so verily Man as they could not beleiue him to be also God but the Manichests so se him God as they cannot feele his humaine Nature These are the odde spirits that teach the odde Doctrine by which they disire to be distinguished from allothers for odde If they can dash me and my brethren in the teeth with holding Christ as doth the Church of England the Church of Rome etc. oh then they haue won the can●red spurs and their Christ must be the true Christ. These odde ones for if they be Englishones they commonly are in fellowship with none no not amongst themselues only at league with the Deuell who sets them all on worke Euerie one sayinge he is in the estate of Helias he sees no Saynt but himself but all of them lying Elyasses They must knoe that the simplest member of thenglish church is better then the Greatest of them and whosoeuer in simplicitie beleiueth of Christ his natures and person in the Generall as doth Rome they hold that truth which euer hath preuailed against Arius Manicheus and all hereticall spirits And were it not that this beleif of Christ hath in all ages preuailed against hel gates I shold suspect it Yea reiect it Nay what if The Deuel confesse Iesus to be the sonne of Dauid and the Apostles to be the servāts of the euerliuinge god etc. shold I therfore not professe the same I praise god for it that the Corner stone is still bidinge visible though the orderlie building thereunto and thervpon hath bene notably lackinge He that lookes into this Christ with the one ey he cannot se in the Carpenter two things as scholers vse to speake aliud and aliud another and another thinge or nature not alius and alius another and another Person and because aliud
that by Truly we meane not perfectly for we but se in part and practise in a lesse parte as in the 4. Concl. is proued but a professinge of the true Christ vnto their full saluation as in the 1. Concl. buildinge vpon that foundation in a new and holy conuersation so far as for the present they se and are enabled by god As for a Church whose prayers preachinges practises are laide vpon a false foundation a new diuised Christ from such a Congregation a person at the first sight may fully separate in spirituall Communion only seing God hath now opened his eyes and there he was a professed member it shalbe duty to Communicate that he seeth vnto such a people that so they togither with him may repent and so lay a true foundation of faith Reuel 18.4 Ier. 51.6.9.26 But prouided the Congregation be as before truly Christian he cannot symplie that is without all exception fully separate but he doth violence vnto Christ the corner stone of that groundwork If he espie corruptions in faith or Manners such Corruptions he must at the verie first insight separate from but keepe one with them in the part vncorrupted By such seperation he teacheth them both by word and practise the beste Manner of teaching that can be to seperate also from Corruption and by such an vnion with them he shall also teach that all vnion is to be in truth and for the truth Such seperation and vnion was in som of Sardi Reu. 3.4 som of Thyatira Ch. 2.24 In not seperatinge from such euell they shold first syn presumptuouslie secondly strengthen the hands of the wicked and by not keping such vnion they shold be found first cruell towards the truth secondly be demed vncharitable thirdly giue suspition of fallinge away from all truth in Religion vnder a colour of hatinge corruption Two cawses therfore of seperating fully in fellowship spirituall from such a Congregation as hath truly professed Christ there semeth vnto vs for the present sufficient and lawfull The one if so they haue bene orderly conuicted of obstinate Rebellion the other if so they seeke the spoyle or lyfe of such a member vniustly Touchinge the first we se that after the Lord his prophets had conuicted Iudah and Israel of obstinate rebellion Hos. 2. Ezek. 16.52 Ier. 3.8 They put the Bill of Diuorcement into their hands and so cut them of Hos. 6.5 vntill they returned by repentance This course might the howse of Cloe. 1. Cor. 1.11 Haue taken with Corinth had they after Pauls conuicting them persisted rebellious in the matters conuicted But as Cloe and others of like spirit did not presently reiect Corinth though no doubt they had delt with them about their Corruptions before they writ to Paul therof but themselues not preuailinge they louinglie sought further meanes for their Conuiction and vrginge repentance so euerie person that in his owne eyes is presently righteous in his owne cawse specially in matters disputable and doubtfull is not redely to reiect the congregation for not accepting his admonishment but charitablie seeke further meanes if yet further meanes be not dammed vp for helpinge that which in the body is haltinge to be turned in to the way and healed And this may be a coolinge ●arde to our right Brownistes if so any may rightly be so called who haue they no more substantiall knowledge for discerning things different then Tom skul or Balaams Asse when he was at home in the stable they vpon euery sly and vnstaied crochet buzzing in their ytchinge eares through the suggestion of Ahabs spirit do fly the Congregation grinninge and barking like dogs of the Eueninge against all such as will not presently conforme to their Opinion it may be to slap vp a litle of their disgorged vomit Let such reade Heb. 10.24.25 and so to the end suerly our sowles haue no pleasure in such and somuch the rather as we cannot se thes Schismaticall Apostates com home by repentance but seme to haue committed such a syn as therfore the lord dammeth vp the way to repentance The other cawse is cruell persecution when as such a member cannot stay in any communion with them but with likly spoile and perill of lyfe In such cases the prophets fled 1. King 18.4 end 19.3 The Apostles fled and were bid to flie Math. 10.23 The saints fled Act. 8.1 and Heb. 11.37 Many such as of whome the world were not worthie wandred vp and downe in sheepes and Goates skinnes being destitute etc. Nay our sauiour himself diuers tymes though he knewe his tyme of suffring was not yet com he secretly fled how much more in such case may we If any say few of these flights were from such people as were not first God his church Let it be so If we may flie from an holy people by reason of outward persecution then much more for inwarde persecution And this ouerthwarteth such I speak only of such pharisaicall Prescisians as haue taught their people that Clapham and others such may be knowen for false prophets if but in this they fly for feare of the sworde If it be truth they teach they wold stay seale it with theyr blood Of pestilent locusts faced like Men but tayled like scorpions We are willing though not wilfull to offer vp our liues when God will we somtymes fly hin the body but stand by the Truth though with som weakned wherof god hath assured vs Yow stay grazinge vpon the greene things with your bodies but yow fly from the truth wherof your tongues haue spoken and your fingers haue written what tyme your consciences were first there with conuinced But yow must slubber your childrens bread ouer with a litle such counterfait hony or else they wold not so easly swalowe the Leauen of the Pharises The Arch-bisshop of Caunterbury as I was told sitting once in examination of som he said that if he were of Cartwrightes opinion he wold be of the Brownistes practise He plainly sawe your Opinions I speak of many of yow and your practises to be contradictorie And suerly were I of full mynd with som of your writers and teachers I shold with the right Brownist deme euerie speaker and communicator with yow to be flatly visible Antichristian where as I cannot subscribe vnto yow in euery thing I verily beleiue manie in that land to giue such testimonie of Christian obedience grounded on sauing faith as I neede not feare to beleiue them to be true Christians Leaue yow your halting betwixt two either practise that yow teach men or teach men no more then if your selues will not yow can be contended they practise Som of yow sent word into Scotland that I fell from your Sect twise to the Bishops twise to the Brownists 4. lies at a clap if I had don so first I had fallen to such as wherof there haue bene as true Christians as yow at least secondly I sholde but haue plaid turne coate as haue a nomber of yow and