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A10834 A iust and necessarie apologie of certain Christians, no lesse contumeliously then commonly called Brownists or Barrowists. By Mr. Iohn Robinson, pastor of the English Church at Leyden, first published in Latin in his and the churches name over which he was set, after translated into English by himself, and now republished for the speciall and common good of our own countrimen; Apologia justa et necessaria quorundum Christianorum, aeque contumeliose ac communiter, dictorum Brownistarum sive Barrowistarum. English Robinson, John, 1575?-1625. 1625 (1625) STC 21108; ESTC S102955 59,722 74

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publiquely in the Church or privately in the family we refuse not by the grace of God bestowed upon frayl creatures labouring of the same humain infirmities with other men the search and censure of our most bitter adversaries if not destitute of all both honestie and wisdom Touching the reformed Churches what more shall I say We account them the true Churches of Iesus Christ and both professe practise communion with them in the holy things of God what in us lyeth their sermons such of ours frequent as understand the Dutch tongue the sacraments we do administer unto their known members if by occasion any of them be present with us their distractions and other evils we do seriously bewayl and do desire from the Lord their holy and firm peace But happily it wil be objected that we are not like-mynded with them in all things nor do approve of sundry practises in use amongst them if not by publique institution which it seems they want yet by almost universall consent and uniform custome I graunt it neither doubt I but that there are many godly and prudent men in the same churches who also dislike in effect the things which we doe and amongst other things this mal●part and unbridled bouldnes of unskilfull men who make it a very May-game to passe most rash censure upon the fayth and so by consequence upon the eternall salvation of their brethren and to impeach their credit whom they neither do nor perhaps willingly would know lest that which they lust to condemn unknown they should be constreyned to allow if they once knew it and withall to disallow that into which they themselvs haue been led formerly by common errour of the times Which maladie is also so frequent and ordinarie as that it may truely be said of many that they then think themselus most acceptable unto God when they can make their brethren differing from them in some smaller matters most odious unto men This rageing plague except the Lord God in mercie asswage and bend the mindes of godly and modest men the Ministers of his word to put to their helping hand that way it wi● without all doubt come to passe which God forbid that the multitude of Christians will come to judg of their estate with the Lo●● not so much by the christian vertues which themselvs indeed have as which they imagine others want But that it may appear unto thee Christian Reader wherein 〈◊〉 do dissent from the Dutch reformed Churches and upon wha● grounds and that none may take occasion of suspicion that the things are either greater or more absurd for which those hateful● Brownists are had by many in such detestation then indeed an● truth they are I will breifly as I can present unto thy christian vei● either all or the most our greatest differences with the ground● thereof CHAP. I. Of the largenes of Churches AND first it is evident that the most especially cittie-churches are so great and populous as that two or three dive● temples are not sufficient for one and the same Church to meet● at once We on the contrarie so judg that no particular churc● under the New Testament ought to consist of more members the● can meet together in one place because 1. The Holy Scriptures speaking definitely of the politicall or ministeriall commonly called visible church instituted by Christ and his Apostles by his power understand none other then on● congregation convening and comming together ordinarie at least in one place Math. 18 17 20. gathered together in my name wi●● 1 Corinth 5 4. when you are come together Act. 2 44. Al● that beleeved were together and chap. 5 12. They were all with one accord in Salomons porch Also chap. 6 2 5. and chap. 13 1 2. with ●4 27. and 14 23. with Tit. 1 5. Act. 15 4 22 25. and 21 22. So 1 Corinth 11 20. when yee therefore come together in one to wit place not minde as some conceipt for from that the Corinthians were to far and lastly chap. 14 23. If the whole church come together into some place 2. There is then had the most full and perfit communion of the body in the holy things of God which is the next and immediate end of the visible Church when all the members thereof do convene and assemble together in some one place And if nature as Philosophers teach ever intend that which is most persit much more grace Now that the church commonly called visible is then most truely visible indeed when it is assembled in one place and the communion thereof then most full and intire when all its members inspired as it were with the same presence of the holy ghost do from the same Pastor rec●av the same provocations of grace at the same time and in the same place when they all by the same voice banding as it were together do with one accord pour out their prayers unto God when they all participate of one and the same holy bread and lastly when they all together consent unanimously either in the choice of the same officer or censuring of the same offender no man admitting a due thought of things can make doubt of 3. We have the Apostle Paul giving it in charge to the Elders of everie particular Church as was that of Ephesus that they take heed unto al the flock whereof the holy ghost made them Bishops or overseers to feed the church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood But surely as that flock is verie inordinate if not monstrous which for the largenes thereof neither ever doth nor possibly can feed together so that sheepheard of the Lords flock seemeth not aright and as he ought to fulfill his charge which doth not at the least everie Lords day minister unto the same the wholesom food of Gods word Ad hereunto that in these huge and vast flocks the governers cannot take knowledg of the manners of the people private or publick no nor so much as of their presence at or absence from the church assemblies whereby what domage cometh unto true pietie any man may easily conjecture and miserable experience makes too too manifest in the reformed Churches I conclude therefore since as Iunius sayth it concerneth the Pastour throughly to know the church committed unto him the persons their works and courses without the knowledg of which things he shall profit them no more then a tincking cymball c. that it were a point of good provision both for the conscience of the officers and edification of the people that a division were made of the cittie-churches which by continuall accession of members are thus grown out of kinde into different and distinct congregations under their certain and distinct Pastours and Elders If any object that there is one visible and catholick Church comprehending as the parts thereof all the particular Churches and severall congregations of divers places as there is one Ocean